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Janet Marie
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25 posted 11-09-2002 11:55 PM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

quote:
Ok I forgot I said in my previous reply that I wasn't going to carry on with this conversation anymore



thank you
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26 posted 11-09-2002 11:56 PM       View Profile for anonymousfemale   Email anonymousfemale   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for anonymousfemale

I pity you. It's a shame that you're so against works that have shaped writing as we know it today. By insulting the tree-huggers etc, you're insulting the rest of us that enjoy reading such work. Perhaps learn a bit of tolerance before you come in here, sprouting great truths that obviously only make sense in that head of yours.

~AF~

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27 posted 11-10-2002 12:22 AM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

Whoa Nellie.  I have to admit the discussion has far exceeded the limits of my stunted intellectual abilities.  Beatniks, hippies, tree-huggers, artsy-fartsy?  I followed the discussion on those points, but when we moved on to the mature discussion level, I admit total discombobulation. I am so utterly confused, I admit finding levity in assertions of a mature opinion from someone who would appear to be starting the commencement of their adult life.  But then I often find humor in inappropriate areas. Ayn Rand is often quoted by the more erudite members of the forum, and while I must admit finding her writing tedious, I often think back on a reoccuring quote from Atlas Shrugged. "Not in my house" is what I recall Rearden's response to those who would criticize him or the capitalistic system.  One sign of a mature discussion is to be aware of those with whom you are engaging in discussion. I hopefully do not offend anyone by saying I find Ayn Rand's writing tedious.  She obviously was an extremely intelligent individual, but anyone who can read the entirety of Gaunt's radio address is a far better person than I.  But I digress.  Back to the point, I again do not want to offend anyone, but I find this thread somewhat tedious.  Take care all.  
dougsbird21
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28 posted 11-10-2002 12:24 AM       View Profile for dougsbird21   Email dougsbird21   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit dougsbird21's Home Page   View IP for dougsbird21

I pity you. It's a shame that you're so against works that have shaped writing as we know it today. By insulting the tree-huggers etc, you're insulting the rest of us that enjoy reading such work. Perhaps learn a bit of tolerance before you come in here, sprouting great truths that obviously only make sense in that head of yours.
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You haven't understood a word I've said--obviously. I'm not in any way,shape or form against the works that have shaped writing as we know it today. I'm against(well, not even against for that matter, just adverse in my opinion) the people who write it today and claim it for themselves, which to me indicates they show absolutely no originality whatsoever. It's like having a cd on repeat--seen it, heard it all before--a bit like your reply really.   Here's a task for those "soulistically inclined": write a poem about some world event, or anything other than the mystical. Originality can be good! There are tons of great,original poets on this site...others  just need a few pointers...and I'm happy to give pointers..don't ya worry about that!      hehe(don't forget that sometimes I'm just joking or being sarcastic by the way! Some people are that way inclined!). Ok you can carry on rambling...I'm going to bed...watch me dream about freakin fairies now!!:p
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29 posted 11-10-2002 08:33 AM       View Profile for brian madden   Email brian madden   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for brian madden

"I'm happy to give pointers..don't ya worry about that!"

I am glad to hear that, I look forward to reading your contribution in Critical Analysis.  

I used to make phantoms I could later chase images of all that could be desired then I got tired of counting all of these blessings"h.devoto magazine

Nan
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30 posted 11-10-2002 08:56 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

"It's not me who's fake, it's them"

On what premise do we presume to determine that ANYONE is fake?  All of our writings emanate from our own perceptions of reality, do they not?

Um, Ron?... Whatever do you mean, misuse the elipsis?... Huh?... Huh?... Here's to bestest friends, eh?...
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31 posted 11-10-2002 09:00 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine


Now Nan...
you know I am the biggest ellipsis user
of all...

Sheesh...it's a wonder he keeps me around...
Janet Marie
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32 posted 11-10-2002 10:21 AM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

ellipsis?.... Thats such a technical term...
so proper and stuffy....Margie calls them "sprinkles" ...
you know...kinda like Fairy dust ...



heh ................
nakdthoughts
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33 posted 11-10-2002 10:30 AM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

I was reading your discussion and had some thoughts I wanted to express, but it is so hard sometimes to be understood just by words, without hearing them spoken and knowing that someone is not being sarcastic or condescending.

SO I thought maybe I would mention a few points. First of all I am of the generation of flower children, etc...

I don't write about those mushrooms or drugs or any other kind of mind altering chemicals or even use innuendos about them, because I didn't like that period in my life and I never did any of those things (I don't hold it against anyone If they wanted to destroy their lives or affect them in that way, it was up to them)

I am saying this in a kind way I hope, I don't know how long you have actually been on this site, including reading poems before you became a member, but I *think* members are very sensitive to new poets (if you are one) who take a stand or an opinion before getting to know others on here and their personalities.

Some of us write what appears to be "fluff" to others but in actuality we are wishing, hoping for a taste of love or friendship or understanding in our lives again.

Some over use cliches...and I overuse these >.........'s in my responses   Forgive me Ron

But realize if they are a young poet or new to writing, then the cliches may not yet seem be overused.
Some use faieries because they write only in that theme, just as I write as Alicethruglass when confronting myself,and Lady Ollyne when writing medieval style for a friend, as if waiting for my Knight to come for my hand in marriage.

Many also write to the challenges and the theme may need to be in a particular format that newer and younger poets may not prefer( for example rhyming). Then again some only write free verse or actually seem to be writing as if conversation and others may  not see that as poetry.

What I am trying to say is there are almost 5000 poets (give or take the multiple handles) on here and some are daily contributers and some occasional only, but read many poems and respond.
Some have favorite poets and they may respond to them more than to you or I.

Others see the need in someone for support and you may see them receive a larger amount of responses. It has no bearing on whether a poem is more outstanding than another since all of this depends on interpretations.


I, too, notice some respond in a flowery way. It is their way to let you know they think they understand your words, or maybe just to show you they care and can relate.

I don't think they are trying to "best" anyone and many times are read wrong, or I should say are receiving a different message than I intended, but I thank them for their time and words.

I hope I am explaining this clearly to you. I sure am trying. And I don't think Ron misunderstands you at all. I think you may know this but in case you don't, this is Ron's forum and site and he is very knowledgeable in the runnings of this place and how we behave and react to one another.

He is very tolerant and even excuses much of what others may not agree with, if it doesn't harm or hurt another and that each has a right to our opinions.

Believe me when I say I have had my battles when I was first on here, too. But I have learned that there is more freedom to disagree, yet more comraderie on this site than any I have ever been on in 5 years...

Some poets leave, as I did after a disagreement, but most always return and have grown from the experience of learning how to get along with so many minds.

I guess all I am trying to say is...post, reply, respond and enjoy...some of us learn, some of us think we have nothing to learn or want to teach others. No matter what,
know that there is room for all on here.

And if you see hugs and other warm ways of showing caring, it is because many of us email or chat with one another, have met or feel a closeness to some because of the events in our lives.

I hope you enjoy Passions and can understand why some answered the way they did to your discussion..
Hugs of welcome

Maureen

oh and Ron... sorry about these....
I try not to use them in poems...but I use them in my responses when my thoughts take a pause, which you can tell is way too often.

[This message has been edited by nakdthoughts (11-10-2002 10:35 AM).]

dougsbird21
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34 posted 11-10-2002 11:01 AM       View Profile for dougsbird21   Email dougsbird21   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit dougsbird21's Home Page   View IP for dougsbird21

Brian,

"I am glad to hear that, I look forward to reading your contribution in Critical Analysis"
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Haha...okay in this little discussion we've all got going here, I must come over as very "critical," when in fact I'm just a very blunt/opinionated person. Often I don't mean to offend, I just come out with what I want to say and it occasionally hits the wrong spots with people. All of you on here seem to be nice people...but to be honest--this all got a bit blown out of proportion. I was only bringing up a topic I felt like discussing it became a war zone...hahaha.
Why do I seem to do this to people?? lol


NEway, back to your saying about my contributing to the critical analysis room--sorry it's a no-go zone for me. See, I do and always have analyzed the people who write the poetry, but REFUSE to analyze poetry itself. I think it destroys a poem. When somebody writes something, it has flowed out of them in a natural, non-filtered way. If it is then placed in front of people, they will all find things they would change, and that piece of writing then becomes not it's own, but something completely different. I know this because I used to be in a creative writing course, and it at the time almost destroyed my love for writing because of the critique and decimation of fine words. I suppose yes, sometimes somebody else's opinion can be helpful--just not when it's coming at you from all angles. I don't know, it just isn't something I'm fond of. In English areas of study, they flog everything to it's death with notations and essays and well....why?! I think what somebody has come up with themselves, minus the corrections from others, is SO much more special. It may contain some bits that everyone sees should be changed, but if those bits were changed, that person's poem wouldn't be theirs. The whole time it is theirs, it is special and unique and done by their mind alone. Isn't that what poetry is? One mind's excretions and inventions? That's my take on it anyway
dougsbird21
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35 posted 11-10-2002 11:19 AM       View Profile for dougsbird21   Email dougsbird21   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit dougsbird21's Home Page   View IP for dougsbird21

Tim,

"I followed the discussion on those points, but when we moved on to the mature discussion level, I admit total discombobulation. I am so utterly confused, I admit finding levity in assertions of a mature opinion from someone who would appear to be starting the commencement of their adult life."
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Okay so is age your argument then, oh mister mature? Although I fail to see how you can have any opinion of what we've been discussing whatsoever,  as you just stated how "discombobulated" you became after reading it. And hellooooooooooo....Mozart ring any bells!?! He was conjuring up amazing stuff before the age of 5!!! What is age but a number? Many of the geniuses of the world become famous before the age of 30. The only thing that comes with age that youth lacks is experience.

"Write what you feel, not what u think you should feel."

dougsbird21
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36 posted 11-10-2002 11:24 AM       View Profile for dougsbird21   Email dougsbird21   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit dougsbird21's Home Page   View IP for dougsbird21

Nakdthoughts,

Hi Thanks for your input. Your thoughts on all this as well as your suggestions are appreciated.

Lisa

"Write what you feel, not what u think you should feel."

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37 posted 11-10-2002 11:26 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

quote:

Why is it that, with poetry, you get tons of people who believe that to be a good writer you have to act all "wandering spirit" and such?? Why do lots of poets bring their poetic way of writing into conversation?


'Tons of people'? I think this is a generalization and a bit of an exaggeration. This site is so diverse - we have people from all over the world as members - a few may reply as you say, but if that's the case, so what? What does it matter in the grand scheme of things? Does it make YOU feel that your poem isn't worthy when you read a reply like that? Would you rather everyone just say 'thanks for the read'? We reply differently because we ARE different. I think  you're too new to Passions to pass judgment on all of us.

Flag this post and let's chat again in a year. I would bet that by that time, you will understand that PiP means Passions in Poetry AND Personality in Poets.

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38 posted 11-10-2002 11:33 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

"The only thing that comes with age that youth lacks is experience"

There's one more VERY important thing that comes with age... It's called WISDOM.  Thank GOD we're always striving for more of that.  Otherwise what would there be to look forward to???...Geesh - It'd be all downhill after the age of 5...

[This message has been edited by Nan (11-10-2002 11:34 AM).]

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39 posted 11-10-2002 11:58 AM       View Profile for mrmuse   Email mrmuse   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for mrmuse

Poet Devine

I've noticed this in alot of forums:people just jump in without reading the entire thread. If you'd have looked, you'd know we already discussed that subject of yours a day ago. Next time just check and bring yourself upto date Thanks!

Lisa

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40 posted 11-10-2002 12:07 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I know you did. But I didn't have time until today to add my 2 cents.

Thanks mrmuse/lisa/dougsbird21. It must be hard to keep track of yourself.

[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (11-10-2002 12:12 PM).]

Tim
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41 posted 11-10-2002 01:11 PM       View Profile for Tim   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tim

shucks, I was just using big words because I got one of them there thesaur...er.. one of them big books with fancy words...
My children and wife often relate I am one of the most immature persons they know... and I shirley ain't no rocket scientist.  There is one thing my momma taught me, you can never win a discussion with someone who thinks they are more intelligent or mature than you...  looks like you got me beat on both counts.
Janet Marie
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42 posted 11-10-2002 02:15 PM       View Profile for Janet Marie   Email Janet Marie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Janet Marie

ya know...there comes a point when its time to let the kiddie play alone in the sandbox until they learn to play fair.

Besides, she dont need us to reply, she's already registered as an alias and replies to herself and her own poetry.

Like Tim said shes got us beat on both counts.

Later gators....Im going to hang with the tree huggers, fairies and hippies
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Hi this is Becky, Lisa's(dougsbird21's) friend. I'm just posting what she's asked me to since the administrators banned her from logging back on. Talk about over-extreme censorship.

Hello. Lisa here(dougsbird21). First, to clear up why that last message of mine was under the screenname "mrmuse"-I was on my friend's computer--he was logged on earlier and I forgot to change back to mine...sorry!

Now then, the more important matter:  who blocked me from posting my messages in this forum...and then blocked my friend too? I thought this was the lounge area where people are free to have discussions?? Nobody cussed or anything--it was just talking. Seems like you're taking the iron fist to anyone who disagrees or has differing opinions to yours...I've never heard of such a type of censorship in a PUBLIC lounge where the purpose of it is EXACTLY for discussions like we've been having. Is talking a crime now?? And there you are, advertising that this is a friendly place-well a lot of the most rude remarks were made directly at me personally, not by members but by the administrators. They're supposed to lead by example. What a great example they're setting! And making a big fuss out of nothng. I just had to write so say that is pathetic and a weird way to run a public forum of discussion. Sorry you people don't like others who use their brains!! I should have read your rules-maybe somewhere in there it says "thinking not allowed."  ;-)

Lisa
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44 posted 11-10-2002 03:08 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Your posting privileges weren't removed because of your opinions or even for your less than friendly way of expressing them. They weren't even removed because you were equally unfriendly in some of your replies in the poetry forum, though I have to admit that was probably a contributing factor. They were removed because you have been, at best, disingenuous and, at worst, wholly dishonest.

Every post you've made has been date and time stamped, and includes the IP address you used to make the connection. Maybe you really were at a friend's computer. Maybe your friend posted to your poems, with no mention of a personal relationship, as a simple mistake. But the dates and times and IP addresses don't add up with other things you've said in the forums and, frankly, I think you just can't keep your lies straight.

Email me and convince me I'm wrong, and I'll both apologize and reinstate your posting privileges.
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45 posted 11-10-2002 05:17 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria


Glad that is over with from a real "tree hugger, fairy dusting, kind of gal."  Thank you Sir Ron.
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46 posted 11-10-2002 05:39 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

You guys should have posted this in "the ally" it turned into a very bad argument. Some of the things you said I did take offensively, for many reasons.

~I am what you call a "Tree hugger" and love nature.

~I am thirteen years old, and you know what, I have a talent for poetry, and I just think the whole age discriminating part was WRONG

~my mother used to be a hippie

~I write in a mythical form, and sometimes I "sugar coat" my replys, but only because those peope like hearing those sort of things, and hey, I'm one of them!

So tolerate people's beleifs a lttle better. I have lost a little bit of respect for some of you. But it can easilly be regained.
Sorry about you beeing banned

"Sticks and stones will break my bones,
But words will break my heart"

 
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