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Poet deVine
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On my way to the midwest to track down that woman who beat her little girl in the back of that white SUV. I am so mad I'm shaking!!

Why didn't anyone in the parking lot do something???
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1 posted 09-20-2002 08:12 PM       View Profile for Kielo   Email Kielo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kielo

*sigh* Because people are stupid. They don't want to get involved, because it would take effort, and because it doesn't involve them. They don't like it when people get involved in their own business, so they don't get involved in other's lives. As well, a lot of people probably don't care. I think it sucks, but that's just because I care.

Oh, can you stop by my place? I want to come.

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2 posted 09-20-2002 08:20 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I'll stop by and we can track her down together.

I have reported people I've seen abusing their kids. I would do it in a heartbeat. NO child (no HUMAN BEING) deserves to be hurt.

I talked about this at work today and almost everyone said "what if she had a gun or something'?? SO?
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3 posted 09-20-2002 08:23 PM       View Profile for Kielo   Email Kielo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kielo

*nods* So what? Its a little girl! *sigh* I don't know. I always think of my babies... well, my friends, who happen to be younger than me. I tend to mother them. Anyway, what if it was them? Would I care if the mother had a gun? No. How is this little girl different? Aah... Ok, I'll be packed and ready to go.
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4 posted 09-20-2002 09:00 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Yes, I saw that on the news on my way out to work this morning. It made me ill. I had to deliberately put it out of my mind during the day...several times. So sad.
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5 posted 09-20-2002 09:54 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

grrr...mmmmmph....

I can't tell you how many, well YES I can...

a fireworks display, on the levee of the Miss. River? Even through the sounds of artillery, we heard a child screaming...and turned to see a man just WALLOPING a child...I was shocked. My friend, immediately flew over there and grabbed the man, and told him, "THAT IS ENOUGH!!!!"

He looked like he was going to hit her, but then he took a good look around at the angry circle of folks no longer watching the fireworks, and grabbed his daughter by the arm and left. ...I wanted to keep her.

Then...in a grocery store? I heard--just heard a boy ask his dad for a box of cereal on the other isle...and his dad SLURRED IN REPLY..."no money for the milk to go with it, boy..." and the boy replied, "But? You've got BEER, dad..." and I had to look...just in time to see him back-hand that child...saying "I TOLD YOU NOT TO ASK FOR NOTHIN'!!!"

That child didn't even cry. He just looked embarassed because I had turned the corner and caught that moment. Once again, the parent made a quick exit--and I felt horrible, feeling like that poor boy was going to get it worse because I saw...

Another day? We were backing out of a parking spot in front of a local drugstore and almost ran over this beautifully angelic Vietnamese child on a tricycle. I made the then-boyfriend wait as I went after her (she was a wee thing) and I did catch up with her, easily, and asked her, "where's your mom? where do you live?" but? No English, and she looked terrified. I glanced up the side street and saw some other Vietnamese children playing, and they saw me. An older boy came running, and met me halfway.

"My sister," he said.

"Where's your mother?"

He didn't answer but I let him take that baby, and I went and knocked on the door. A lady answered, and? sigh...I did try to tell her, "We almost hurt your baby. It's not SAFE." (This was 30, maybe 40 yards from a major highway.)

"No English." She looked confused and smiled.

I called the boy, and told him to tell his mother this for me: "Your baby can be hurt in the parking lot." I told him, "Tell her that there are people that will hurt her baby, even without cars..."

He said something, and she looked again at me again and said, "No English."

I walked away feeling helpless, then enraged as I clearly heard a double expletive in English from behind her door...

sigh...Sharon...I don't know that vigilante mothering works, but oh...I understand the inclination.

(btw, Sharon? G just said to me, "one day that temper of yours is going to get you shot.")


BREAKS MY HEART.
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The mother and child are on their way to Chicago where she will 'turn herself in'. Her attorney said "don't blow this out of perspective"...ok. He said the child is fine - no bruises....BUT he has not seen either of them. Only talked to the monther on the phone. Give me a break!!
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That is unbelievable!! How in the hell can people be so down right cruel....to their offspring?!?! Some parents/people needed to be herded into a very large field and disposed of.

"No wonder I do not make people comfortable. I am a mirror. I have far too many things to say." - Mouthing the Words

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8 posted 09-20-2002 10:22 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I do try to understand. I understand the cycle of abuse. I understand that we teach as we are taught...(had to stop typing to rub my forehead) sigh...

but it is NOT always so...I would love to hear this discussed in depth somewhere...just don't know exactly what I'm asking...Is it a nature vs. nurture question...a combo of both...and? can we (or should we) attempt to correct what we consider immoralities in other lifestyles--in the case of abuse, I'd say YES, but where is the line drawn between, say a personal preference of lifestyle that others may deem abuse?--and ow...somebody help me formulate this question in my head...I am still seeing RED here. (wasn't kidding about seeing red when I'm angry...)
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It SHOCKED me to see that on the news the other day. I couldn't watch it. She needs some anger management classes NOW!

--Beth

Howl at the stars, whisper when you're sleeping, I'll be there to hold you, I'll be there to stop the chills and all the weeping.

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Things like this make me so angery.  

I don't know why people don't help.  When I see it I always say something. I don't know why people are afraid, at the very least they could do is call 911 or some protective  services.  Some people shoulden't be allowed around children.
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11 posted 09-20-2002 11:31 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Okay...I just went and cleaned something--it's great therapy--smiling-which is why "neat-freaks" frighten me--

I guess what I am asking here is there any kind of solution to what seems to be an epidemic? (not even sure if that's correct terminology either)

Of course, it makes us angry. And of course, we CAN stop it, (which was the point of my little stories) --but? usually only at the time we see them occur. But isn't there something more we can do than that? Or is there?

Ron Carnell? Where are ya? I KNOW you can pose this question better than I...sigh...anybody? hmmm...

(serenity exits, missing the brain cells her parents warned her that she'd abused...)


*chuckling here...I feel like Bewitched---"Calling Dr. Bombay, Calling Dr. Bombay..."
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This image was caught on a camera, in a parking lot. I don't know if anyone witnessed it first hand, but I can tell you this kind of thing happens daily in many homes, without a camera to record it, and many children die daily as a result of hitting. Everyone who witnesses physical abuse and mental abuse and does nothing is, in effect, condoning this behavior. I have been hit more than once by an angry parent for "interfering" with a family discipline problem. It only hurt me for a little while, while the child will suffer forever. I congratulate anyone who has the humanity and the guts to intervene.
I was slapped in the face frequently as a child, and I remember slapping my daughter in anger when she was around four years old. It took me several years to recover from that, and I think to this day, that her mistrust of people in general might stem from this incident. People sometimes snap, and need to be pulled away when they cannot stop themselves from being physically and mentally abusive. And it seems to be a never-ending cycle in some families.
normally, I would not have given so much of my personal experience, but I believe this issue to be at the root of much of what is wrong with humanity in general. Violence to others is too readily accepted. We have to find a way to end violence in these personal, day-to-day situations if we are ever going to have a chance for world Peace.

[This message has been edited by Midnitesun (09-21-2002 12:55 AM).]

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PdV,
Having been a Child Protective Service worker. I always speak up when observing anything remotely like this! I have some interesting stories of intervention. But to the point...I'll ride shotgun!
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14 posted 09-21-2002 02:26 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I don't mean to get all "oprah"---
but nance?



That took courage and I admire that, as well as the graciousness of your understanding.
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15 posted 09-22-2002 08:02 PM       View Profile for Moon Dust   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Moon Dust

hey thats nothing I can tell you storys that would make your hair curl over here.

If your afraid of the dark, then why did you come?

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*choking with anger*

Are you scared? BOO! Are you now?

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me and my friends jumped a guy that was hitting this girl in public one time

l o est mon amour?
donde est mi amour?
wo ist meine Liebe?
Nelly Furtado a menina a mais bonita no mundo largo do todo.

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18 posted 09-24-2002 11:23 AM       View Profile for anya   Email anya   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for anya

Once my brother saw a man really beating a girl outside a club, and I mean really going at her, he of course pulled the guy off her and then the woman whacked him arond the head with her handbag, gave him a nasty  cut to the head, he still has a scar, I couldn't believe that story

However I think it is impossible to stand back when you see someone doing something to a child, it is surprising how many things you see just by walking round a supermarket that are completly unacceptable, makes me sick
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I think she simply needs her ass beat
and I would be HAPPY to do the job!

~Sheri

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Swim out to it"

 
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