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Savage Quiescence
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0 posted 08-08-2002 06:41 PM       View Profile for Savage Quiescence   Email Savage Quiescence   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Savage Quiescence

When you come across a poem here on Pip that you find... less than moderate... do you still comment on it, or do you just keep your opinion to yourself? So many people get over-sensitive when someone replies that maybe they did not like the poem, or did not think it was the poet's best work. What do you do?

~Sky
bsquirrel
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1 posted 08-08-2002 06:56 PM       View Profile for bsquirrel   Email bsquirrel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bsquirrel

Welcome to PIP, SQ.

I keep my mouth shut, unless the author requests for critiques. Even then, sometimes I only reply if I enjoy it. It's heartening to me, though, that for all the poems I read each day, there might be only one or two I won't reply to.

Mike
serenity blaze
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2 posted 08-08-2002 07:39 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Before I found this place, I scribbled everything in notebooks, which I burned every New Year's Eve...I tell you this to illustrate that I was terrified of ANYONE reading "me"--but? These kind people took me in--and they were/are SO gentle, even when I posted CRAP--so I continued. I decided to take full advantage of this place--I joined the workshop, and read, and e mailed poets I admired for private critique--and I like to think that I have grown a bit, not just as a writer, but as a person, as well. So...when? I see someone's poem, and I get the instinct that what I'm reading is a sincere reflection of their heart? I look for something I like about it, if it's there, I reply. If not, I say nothing.

It's sort of like "passing it forward"--yanno?
Sunshine
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3 posted 08-08-2002 09:02 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine


I think Serenity's response is one of the best you will get, for aside from "burning everything on New Year's Eve" I was a whole lot like her...and they took me in, too...and I have learned so much...

I think gentleness goes a long way...as the poets grow from wannabes to stating "I am a poet"...they also grow the nerve to ask for true critiques...which are still given, gently...and from there, the poet flies...


[This message has been edited by Sunshine (08-08-2002 09:04 PM).]

Savage Quiescence
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4 posted 08-08-2002 11:32 PM       View Profile for Savage Quiescence   Email Savage Quiescence   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Savage Quiescence

Which sort of leads me to another question, do you believe people can be -too- gentle in their replies? Does a fear of over sensitivity cause us all to sugar coat our replies until the critique is barely visible?

And thank you, Mike, for your warm welcome!

[This message has been edited by Savage Quiescence (08-08-2002 11:33 PM).]

serenity blaze
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5 posted 08-08-2002 11:54 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

unsugarcoated reply:

"Yes."

I do sugar-coat some replies, if that means that I tactfully say nothing about the parts that bug me. But? There IS a critique flag--and I do try to heed. (sometimes, I forget... ) I am not great at critique--so I don't often attempt that--sometimes I feel like a garbage sculptor of poetry, m'self, so why, *in my logic* would I offer advice while scratchin' me own head, y'know?

But I promise ya, you'll discover, that the old saying about sex will prove true with poetic praise/replies...the best? IS GONNA BE THE NEXT ONE! with a
bsquirrel
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6 posted 08-09-2002 12:01 PM       View Profile for bsquirrel   Email bsquirrel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for bsquirrel

Glad to have you here, SQ.

I like what Sen says about the best one is the next one. That's a hopeful statement to like, and one I think all writers who want to grow and learn take to heart. Even if it's not your best job, you're gonna do something else, and just keep on moving forward.

I think for really entrenched, established poets, it's easier to give them a critique with more muscle and skin to it, not just bone. They'll write on -- they'll survive this. But for someone brand new, I try to go easy. I want to nourish them, give them room to grow, not stand overhead like a huge oak and choke out all their sun.

Oh, one thing you'll find about me? I talk in images like this all the time. Drives me nuts.

As for some critiques being too gentle ... yes, there are. But I find that a lot of people might read a piece of mine and not reply, because they simple do not know what to say. I feel the same way reading many of the poets here, but I always try and leave something behind, even if it becomes as small as just one smile.

Again, welcome!

Mike

Irie
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7 posted 08-09-2002 01:52 PM       View Profile for Irie   Email Irie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Irie

Sky,

When you reply to someone’s poem, you will see a field that states
that poet encourages constructive critiques.
That poet can also edit that field stating if they prefer
gentle or down right brutal critiques.
And sometimes this field says nothing other than the poet
encourages it.
If you don't see this field, then the poet doesn't encourage this.
If I do critique a poets piece, then I will usually E-mail
my reply to them so it's private.

How ever, this means you must choose to reply to a poem ....
you won't be able to see this field until you do.

Hope this helps, and Welcome to PIP.
I hope you enjoy it here!

~Sheri

"The things that come to those that wait may be the things
left by those who got there first"


catalinamoon
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8 posted 08-10-2002 04:50 PM       View Profile for catalinamoon   Email catalinamoon   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit catalinamoon's Home Page   View IP for catalinamoon

Hi, SQ. I have to say I cannot believe Serenity burned her writings. (Hey you, what a terrible waste!)
I never critique a poem, I am not a professor of poetry so I would not think to insult someones work, even in a kind way. I often see lines I would change just a little to make them sound better within the poem. Would I say that? No way.
As someone whose writing spirit was crushed 20 years ago by a very thoughtless person, I am so happy to be somewhere where I do NOT get picked apart, and where people seem to truly care what is in your heart.
I think if someone wants a crtical analysis, or help with a part of a poem , they would place it in the critical forum. In that case, I would offer suggestions if I had any.
And yes, if I have nothing nice to say, I usually say nothing. Sometimes I will reply to a poem positively even if I did not personally like the poem so much, cause I can see the feelings inside it,and those are important.
Sandra
Anvrill
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9 posted 08-11-2002 11:37 AM       View Profile for Anvrill   Email Anvrill   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Anvrill's Home Page   View IP for Anvrill

I pick "or".

I sooooooo rarely reply to anything 'cept Mike's stuff.

The thing is that I never know what to say. Even if I totally and immensely love the poem, I just can't find words. I feel like I'll say something way too stupid, and get completely self conscious, and just don't respond. *sheepish grin*

Yeh, yeh, I'm terrible. I do read a lot of things! I just honestly don't know how to reply. Eep.

impress me, or be discarded

mpc

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10 posted 08-11-2002 11:57 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Sandra? I once destroyed 17 paintings as well...chalk pastels, oils, and watercolors.
I felt really bad about that one--my mother cried. sigh, but the point is, it was a symbolic act of self-destruction. And yes, Passions has helped me to like myself a little bit more. I'm not saying that it's a replacement for therapy--I did that too--but it certainly was a confidence builder for me--and I am grateful! Even if I am annoying now... !
serenity blaze
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11 posted 08-12-2002 01:25 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

and geez...I just read Ron's reply on replies in Philosophy---and? one of them is almost word for word MY reply to this thread. sigh. I don't know that I read it before I replied here? (I tend to "skim read replies" when in a hurry, and yes, even YOURS ron!) but my apologies if I subconsciously lifted your words. sheesh...I do hate when that happens, but? grin? I DO so agree with you! But will edit, at your discretion...

(serenity exits, looking for something original to say...)

Dark Enchantress
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12 posted 08-12-2002 03:50 PM       View Profile for Dark Enchantress   Email Dark Enchantress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Dark Enchantress's Home Page   View IP for Dark Enchantress

I believe in honesty, yet I don't believe in just outright criticizing people.

Think about it... we all have different views on poetry. We have different styles and different tastes. Some of us are here for different reasons. I try to keep the authors perspective in mind when I'm replying to his/her poem. I think that being open-minded is the most important thing(while still being aware and acknowledging your own opinions and emotions).

I guess it's a personal thing.

And that's just my personal jig.

*bows*

I'm married to Mr.Metaphor. We make love everyday.

wranx
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13 posted 08-13-2002 09:33 AM       View Profile for wranx   Email wranx   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for wranx

"I have never written, never desired to write" is what my critique message reads. So, I am totally unqualified to "judge the merit of anothers' work.

I do respond to the posts that spark something within me, and to the posts that I (in my limited capacity) recognize as being uniquely created or competently crafted.

Posts/poetry that is not my cup of tea, mostly go by without comment.

Oh, and a thank you to all that have taken the time to comment (always kindly) upon mine

~wranx

The shortest distance between two points...
is sometimes, intolerable.      

Bukowski

 
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