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0 posted 05-03-2002 11:03 PM       View Profile for Alexia   Email Alexia   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alexia


Did they take out teenchat? Because I don't see it ..
and if they did why?
later Megz
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1 posted 05-03-2002 11:08 PM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

Alexia,

Yes they did....I would say go to the DEP MOD area and its all explained there....

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True poems rest between the words
Just give hope a chance to float up

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2 posted 05-03-2002 11:21 PM       View Profile for Alexia   Email Alexia   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alexia

Thanks! They probably closed it because none was getting along or something along those lines.
but anyways thanks again
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3 posted 05-04-2002 01:39 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

I'll lend the short answer:

Teen Chat was removed because some people who frequented it chose to abuse the priveledge it is.

Teen Chat can be reinstated when it can be believed that the direction and existence of such will not be abused. Whether this means a change of direction, format, etc., is dependent on time and inclination, though i doubt as much as the feedback from those who used it. feel free to discuss it here. we would all love to hear other viewpoints.
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4 posted 05-04-2002 09:24 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I agree with Christopher, I'd love to hear your comments on this issue.
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Itís hard to comment when you donít know what happened and the circumstances surrounding the removal, being in the dark isnít conducive to seeing things clearly.
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Phaedrus, the explanation that Christopher gave is the explanation in a nutshell.  The forum was abused.  
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7 posted 05-04-2002 09:55 AM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus


Abused?

In which way?

Sorry but Iím still in the dark and if you really want honest opinions and comments someone is gonna have to spell it out a little more clearly. If not asking for comments seems a little pointless.
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8 posted 05-04-2002 10:55 AM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

Phaedrus--

If I may, there was some strong language that Moderators, Ron, and the Admin team felt were unaccaptable, due to the guidlines of PIP,  the post made, came from a couple of DEP Moderators. Ron decided to pull the Teen Chat until there was discussion for why the Teen Chat should re-openÖ.This is just my take on all I have seen and readÖ.I think Moderators, Teens and anyone with an opinion should form a Topic of discussion and go from thereÖ.Does that help a little??
~~~~~

Sincerely,
Lauren~


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True poems rest between the words
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[This message has been edited by Greeneyes (05-04-2002 10:55 AM).]

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It certainly helps a little Lauren, thanks for taking the time to explain.

Iíd be very interested in taking part in that discussion if someone would care to let me know where and when.
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Phaedrus, you're allowed to come out of Dark whenever you choose...

The Teen Chat Forum was intended to be an ancillary place for our teens to meet and converse.  It was never intended to be a 'chat room' in the sense of most internet chatting places.  This is a writers' site.  Our loyalty is to our writers, be they teen or adult.

When any of our forums deviates from its original purpose, we have to look at what's happening and why.  For quite some time now, we've seen the Teen Chat Forum doing just that.  It was taking on more of a 'street corner' ambience than any of us was comfortable with.  Ergo, something needed to be done.

Ultimately, it went just a bit too far.  Our moderators aren't here to act as chaperones to an unruly group of members (no matter what their age).  Personal responsibility for every word posted is each and every member's promise when they join.  When we see that promise slacking, we do what's necessary to ameliorate the problem...

Anyone have any 'productive' thoughts on this?
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11 posted 05-04-2002 11:26 AM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

Phaedrus~


Be the leader and take charge, if you feel comfortable, to start the Topic??


Lauren~

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Could I have been anyone other than me
True poems rest between the words
Just give hope a chance to float up

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Lauren,

Here seems as good a place as any

Nan,

Iím beginning to see the light.

Iím fully aware of why the Teen Chat Forum was formed, I Moderated it for a short time when it was Teen Explorer albeit under a different username. Iíve watched it morph into the street corner forum you mentioned and, I admit, was at first a little disappointed as it could have been so much more, but those taking part seemed to like simply chatting, is that such a bad thing?

With respect if chat wasnít the main reason for the forum then why call it Teen Chat in the first place, and if the forum was drifting away from itís original intent why wasnít an effort made to guide it back on course?

With regard to the strong language mentioned by Lauren as a reason to close the forum that simply doesnít make sense, there are rules and punishments available to deal with such abuse without resorting to forum closure. I mean would Open be closed if the same happened there?

Iím not saying that closing the forum was the wrong decision, Iím sure Iím still in the dark regarding the full facts of this matter. All Iím saying is it seems on the information available a little heavy handed to close the forum that the majority enjoyed for the transgressions of the minority.
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The Teen Chat forum has been up for discussion by the Moderators several times in the past few months, with most of those discussions initiated by one of our Teen Moderators. The objections were both many and diverse, but the underlying complaint was simple - people seemed unable to get along with each other. For a while, I thought about renaming the forum to Teen Bickering.

It's important to realize that all of the discussion forums at pipTalk exist as an adjunct to the poetry forums. Writing isn't just about putting words on paper, but rather is about seeing and exploring our worlds. It's about conveying our feelings and personal insights. Unfortunately, our feelings and insights are necessarily limited by our own environment, our own experiences. A hundred years ago, it was not uncommon for writers to tour Europe or take long sabbaticals in order to extend their limitations. And throughout history, writers have voraciously read the work of others for much the same reason. In today's world, we have a new tool - interactive discussion that largely ignores physical distances. Our discussion forums give us the opportunity to see our worlds through different eyes, much as reading has done for thousands of years, but with the added benefit of back-and-forth, question-and-answer interaction. At no other time in history have writers been LESS limited by their own experiences.

I think that makes all of the discussion forums important. Even vital. But they are STILL an adjunct to the poetry forums. Poetry and writing remain our focus, remain the reason these forums and this web site exist.

In general, this site attracts people interested in writing, poets and writers who may eventually find their way into the discussion forums. In Teen Chat, however, many of the participants rarely posted poetry and there were more than a few who had never posted a poem. Teen Chat, day after day, had more posts than Teen Poetry. We attracted teens whose sole reason for being here was to socialize. I ignored that for a long time, in hopes that being exposed to what we do here would help generate a genuine interest in what we do here.

It might have worked, too. Except that Teen Chat became too insulated, too removed from the rest of pipTalk, too much a community apart from the rest of us. The constant bickering should have been a clue, but it was one I didn't recognize.

The precepts of Respect and Tolerance that keep these forums alive aren't just rules. They are an undercurrent that is part of every person here. They are part of our culture, kept alive and breathing by each of you on a daily basis. I honestly don't know how that culture was born, but it continues to survive only because it inundates everything we do. Those who arrive new to pipTalk quickly feel the difference, and in a fairly short time most of the newbies become a part of that culture, adding their own breath and heartbeat to keep it surviving. That's both good and vitally necessary. Because Respect and Tolerance, as nothing more than rules, can never be enforced. You can't MAKE people care about each other. At best, you can only get rid of those who don't.

Respect and Tolerance never gained a real foothold in Teen Chat. Because the forum was insulated from the rest of us, it developed its own culture. Bickering. Animosity. Spite. Respect and Tolerance became nothing more than rules, rules many learned very quickly to circumvent or ignore.

A few days ago, two of our Deputy Moderators, people I had entrusted with the responsibility to help build Respect and Tolerance, very flagrantly broke our most basic tenets. Instead of setting an example, instead of helping to correct the problems, they became the problem. And it became apparent to me that Teen Chat was an unsalvageable liability. Instead of fostering Respect and Tolerance, the forum was actively discouraging it. Even those who best understood our culture were sinking into the more pervasive quagmire of disrespect.

The Teens who came to these forums merely to socialize will, in the end, be much happier elsewhere. Those who remain, who sincerely want to be part of a writing community, will continue to receive my full support, encouragement, and very sincere thanks for all that they contribute. And make no mistake, they DO contribute a great deal. Already, I see many of the teens from two years ago becoming the adult leaders who will take these forums into the next generation.

Teen Chat isn't necessarily dead. Someday, perhaps after the "socializers" have found a new home, we may try again. Maybe with a different name, and most certainly with a different structure and focus. We are writers. Not teens and adults, not Americans and Canadians, not Members and Moderators, not oldies and newbies. Just writers. As writers, our goal should be to unify, not segregate. As writers, our goal should be to foster understanding, not perpetuate misunderstandings.

As writers, our goal should be to write.
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14 posted 05-04-2002 12:09 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

i'd like to add to what Lauren said, and mildly modify what nan said:

the abuse of the forum sprang much father than just language issues. it was even farther than violating the self-harm guidelines we have in place. it was more an entire attitude that had seemed to set in some time back and grow worse as time went by - the same type of attitude where some people felt the desire to thumb their nose at [us] and ignore completely the philosophy of Passions, which is one of Tolerance and Sharing. crude language and other guidelines being broken are simply a by-product of ignoring that philosophy.

and - the forums ARE designed from the viewpoint of being a place for writers... but, as anything does over time, it changes. i i have seen it change from being a place for just sharing poetry, to being a place that also has prose, places to learn how to write better, and a place that, ultimately, is a place for people who are interested in anything to do with writing... a place for PEOPLE. this doesn't necessirly preclude a place where conversation can be used as a medium for sharing; interests, personal lives, etc. i think that part isn't as important as HOW it is used.

my op

Christopher


looks like you two responded at the same time as i was forming mine. heh

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Ron,

Thanks for the explanation, under the circumstances, and with the benefit of your explanation of the reasons, I have to agree that a temporary closure was perhaps the best option. Whether the forum re-opens in the future and the format that it could take if that happens would seem to be a worthwhile direction to take this discussion, or do you think itís too early to talk about a resurrection?

Christopher,

As I said I watched the forum drift and was disappointed in the direction it took though I have to agree that the manner in which the chat was conducted and not the chat itself led to the forums demise.

[This message has been edited by Phaedrus (05-04-2002 03:38 PM).]

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No, it's not too early for that discussion - especially since I have no other ideas.

The first thing to do, though, is to agree on the goals. I propose the following:

1. No "forum specific" rules. Any rule that applies to teens has to apply to everyone at pipTalk. And visa versa.

2. People who want to play only baseball probably shouldn't join a bowling league. Teens don't have to talk about writing all the time, but they do have to write.

3. It's fine to spend most of your time in one room of your house, as long as that room isn't a closet. Any new forum can't become a closet, but must be a part of the whole community.

4. Need I even say it? Respect and tolerance of others must be more than just a set of rules.

Any other thoughts or ideas?
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After reading this I kinda understand whats going on, I agree with a lot of what you say, and see that I am certainly contributing to the problem and not the solution....

However, Ron, teenagers bicker....its a right of passing...we think we are always right...and we bicker.  But in the end, my relationships with my commrades at pip are stronger because through bickering I learn a lot about the people that share this blue screen with me.

This might not be best for Piptalk, and it might not be best for teen chat, but please dont hold it against us!

~Lisa



I just read Rons post that was posted at the same time as mine...I agree on all those goals with all my heart! And I just wanted to clarify that I did not write this post to "bicker" with anyone....just to stick up for myself cause in a way this discussion was a blow to my pride.  

Believe me, I have nothing but respect for Ron and what he does for us everyday...

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You should read through some threads in the Alley, Lisa. Or even spend some time in the Philosophy forum. Disagreements are not limited to teens and you might be surprised how many adults think they're always right, too.

Controversy is healthy. It's a sign of growth. The very last thing any of us want to do is squash disagreements that can make people think. But you can disagree with someone, even vehemently and at a gut level, and STILL extend them the respect they deserve as a human being. It's easy to show someone respect when it's a person you like. It's much more important, though, to continue showing it even when it's someone you dislike.

I'll be the first to admit we don't always practice that perfectly, not in the Alley, not in Philosophy, not even in Open. But we try, and I think we succeed far more often than we fail. In the Teen Chat forum, there were too many who didn't even try.
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Well, I'm trying to catch up on everything I've missed the past while, since I've been ill Ö and I'm just now getting to the Teen Chat forum issue.

To be honest Ö I'm really at a loss to understand why some are surprised that Teen Chat was removed?

I noticed some of the Teen members feel that this decision came "without warning" Ö almost as if this were a knee-jerk, spontaneous reaction that was unwarranted.  I don't find this to be the case.  We've been discussing Teen Chat's influence and purpose within these walls from way back when it was originally Teen Explorer, and we have continued to discuss both it's positive and negative aspects right up until Ron made the decision to pull the forum.

In my opinion, this is an attempt to get a handle on a situation that has seemed to fester, from a slow boil to various eruptions over and over again.

Several of us have requested Teen feedback on this continuing problem issue in the past, both through posts in Teen Chat and posts in the DM forum.

Many of our Teen DM's or SM's have given us valuable input, have worked hard to turn Teen Chat around, and yet, try as we all did Ö it continually became an issue for moderator discussion due to tempers flaring, arguments, profanity, complaints, etc.  Granted, it was not like that 100% of the timeÖ but it was increasingly becoming combative over the past year or more. Many threads were just fun and silly, but many Teen members became annoyed by their frivolousness and sheer volume. We have lost a great deal of really active and very talented Teens, and it all seems to have come on the heels of Teen Chat, or at least that seems to be the complaint we heard over and over.  

These are just a few of the comments that I gathered over time. They are direct quotes from a multitude of various DM or Teen Chat threads made by various Teen members, over a span of time:

"Family of Friends used to mean a strong connection between people of all walks of life coming together to form a common interest. Now, I don't know."

"I find most of the things that go on there very annoying.  It's trying on my nerves a lot of the time Ö I see Teen Chat becoming very clique-ish Ö it's become nothing but a bunch of immature gossip and banter"

"Teen Chat and #5 has become incredibly frustrating as there is either too much idle chit chat on pointless topics"

"We can come together as a group and make improvements or we can all sit here and watch it decay...your choice everyone...its sad to see that it had to come to this."

"everyone's always complaining about how there's no one replying in Teen 5, and still, no one replies in Teen 5"

"I can't be bothered Ö.coming in every day and seeing the same pointless threads and jarble that never seems to go away."

"too much garble and bantering back and forth Ö THAT is annoying"

"I just dont know what to do n e more..everyones gotta act on their own...its up to the individual..i jus hope things turn out for the better."


Just over three months ago, we had a very in-depth discussion in the DM forum. We were looking at the numerous Teen Chat and Teen Poetry problems and trying to find solutions. I truly think that many tried to make a very concerted effort to turn things around, on many occasions, and I applaud all those who did so. Members were asked "why" they joined PiP in the first place Ö trying to understand the issues, get a handle on things Ö was it the poetry Ö was it the camaraderie?  

What brought you to PiP?  Jan 18, 2002: http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum40/HTML/000762.html

We are, after all ... a poetry forum.  Judging by the statistics I compiled regarding activity in Teen Chat vs. Teen Poetry Ö it seemed like Ron was primarily hosting a "chat board" for Teens, and not a "poetry forum" for Teens.  I was very stunned by the statistics. Teen Poetry used to rival "Open" in the number of responses and posts Ö but in the past year ... it was lucky if it received a passing glance as so many rushed past it to the Chat forum.

As a reminder to some who may not be aware, the Chat Forum arose from another venue Ron opened called Teen Explorer. That was specifically to be used as a mentoring forum for poetry, critiques, etc.  It was meant to be poetry related. When it became clear that members may benefit by a "general discussion forum", again, we asked for feedback and acted on it - thus Teen Chat was born:

Members Voted for what direction they'd like to see Teen Explorer go Apr 18, 2001:   http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum45/HTML/001805.html

Somewhere along the line though Ö for what I think are a multitude of reasons, problems arose, and tempers and complaints began to flare amongst the members.

Another Leaving thread addressing problems-Apr 4, 2002:  http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum40/HTML/000914.html

Teen PiP falling apart - Apr 5, 2002: http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum40/HTML/000917.html

All forums go through changes. The members change, the forums change, people will come, and people will go Ö but what holds us here Ö what brought us here, I hope Ö is to come here to read, share and enjoy poetry. In my opinion, the discussion forums are merely an additional "benefit or bonus" where we can get to know a bit more about each other. They are by no means Ö the primary focus of this poetic site.  

If Teen Chat took away from the poetic aspect as the statistics would suggest, if Teen Chat formed deeper cliques, caused distress and annoyance to many Ö then I find it difficult to locate the redeeming value or benefit of having a Teen Chat forum here at Passions in the same fashion as it most recently was.

We are always open to discussion, feedback and opinions however Ö and value everyone's input.  If there is any additional input anyone can send our way regarding this, then please do so. The removal of Teen Chat should not be seen as "punishment", but rather an attempt to get a handle on a situation that has seemed to fester over and over again.  Now is the time to voice any additional opinions ...

There are many "chat" programs available that could be set up "outside" of PiP, either through Yahoo or various sites, and perhaps that would be preferable alternative for many -  those who don't wish to participate in that aspect, would not feel so obligated - poetry would perhaps become the more primary focus once again, when visiting PiP - and those "chatting outside of PIP" would not be subject to the rules and guidelines that "do" need to be governed here by moderators when the discussion is a part of Passions itself.  After all, if it's within Passions Ö it goes without saying, that we "must" adhere to those few but certain rules that all members should be aware of.

Perhaps we could look at it as a temporary opportunity for Teens to join in the Alley, The Lounge, Feelings, etc Ö branch out a bit ... maybe this would be a positive and not a negative bonus to many throughout the forums?

Perhaps we can start some poetic ping-pong threads, challenges etc. to inject a little life into Teen Poetry?  Direct our efforts toward poetic rejuvenation, while we determine how to move forward from here?

The Teen Forums mean a great deal to me, as does the health of Passions, and I'm sure we will get over this hurdle as we've done with other issues in the past.
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Iíve been thinking, which is generally a dangerous thing, the fact that Iíve been thinking hard will hopefully make the results Ďhardly dangerousí but who knows.

Building a whole bunch of rules, especially when those rules could affect other forums and members, seems a steep price to pay just to have a Teen Forum. An argument could be made that threads of the type posted there in the past can just as easily be posted in existing forums where the effect would be diffused. Thatís a narrow view in my opinion, the Teen forum was created originally for a reason Ė to give the teens a home of their own where they could enter into discussion and interact. That reason hasnít gone away, Ron, to his credit, has recognised the positives that can come from such a forum and is looking for an answer where those positives wonít be swamped by a whole raft of negatives.

One possible answer was raised by Nan:

quote:
Our moderators aren't here to act as chaperones to an unruly group of members (no matter what their age). Personal responsibility for every word posted is each and every member's promise when they join. When we see that promise slacking, we do what's necessary to ameliorate the problem...


All you need to do is replace ARENíT with ARE in the first sentence, re-open the Teen with a couple of Moderators who Ďkick-assí (as you Americans quaintly put it ) when and where itís needed.

Steering is easier if everyone is clear about the direction in which youíre aiming to go, to that end why not make the top post in every forum a shortcut to the forum guidelines. In the case of Teen Chat (or whatever the name ends up being) you can stipulate that interaction in other forums is a prerequisite of interaction in teen, profanity will not be tolerated and that the moderators are a trigger happy bunch armed with instant suspensions. Temporary posting bans in specific forum would be helpful to ensure that the closet mentality was kept to a minimum, is that possible with the software Ron?

This isnít anything new, these Ďrulesí already exist in every forum, what I propose is that the Mods use them a little more freely to keep the forum in check.

The big downside to all this is that you need to find two or more moderators willing to put the time in to make it work. Itíll be a thankless task and a lot of hard work but in the end I think itís worth the effort, perhaps a two month trial would be worth contemplating.

Hope all that was hardly dangerous or even slightly helpful.
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Phaedrus~

thats wonderful but I have to agree with Nan the Moderators aren't really here to be chaperones, for any forum or group.....

"Steering is easier if everyone is clear about the direction in which youíre aiming to go, to that end why not make the top post in every forum a shortcut to the forum guidelines. In the case of Teen Chat (or whatever the name ends up being) you can stipulate that interaction in other forums is a prerequisite of interaction in teen, profanity will not be tolerated and that the moderators are a trigger happy bunch armed with instant suspensions."

That has already been done, it's the guideline that we all signed, and agreed to conform too.....I dont feel it is up to Ron, or any one else to have to remind any one of the guidelinesMHO


"This isnít anything new, these Ďrulesí already exist in every forum, what I propose is that the Mods use them a little more freely to keep the forum in check."

Personally can I just say, this is a huge site with people doing their best everyday to keep this place "safe" and running the way it should.....
are you willing to come back and be a moderator?? (werent you one, at some point?)


"The big downside to all this is that you need to find two or more moderators willing to put the time in to make it work."

who has that much time to sit all day and do that??? its a wonderful idea but not a logical one...sorry MHO

this is my view and I only touched on a few feelings.....
I think a little progress is being made.... thats good to see...


Sincerely, with my two cents
Lauren~

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22 posted 05-04-2002 06:00 PM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus

Lauren,

I was never a very good moderator, Iím probably less adept when it comes to thinking and ideas but it seems to me that the best place to tackle the problems highlighted are at the root. The ideal is that the people using the forums do so with respect, when they donít itís the job of the moderators to do something about it. If the former were true the moderators wouldnít have anything to do (this is a good thing) when it isnít and nothing is done things tend to spiral as they did in Teen Chat.

Itís been mentioned that there has been a lot of discussion about Teen Chat, Iíve seen some in the main forums but very little, most of the discussion seems to have taken place within the restricted forums. I understand that a lot of the points raised would have been about individual cases and unsuitable for general discussion but would it not have been better to air the general grievances and worries about which way the forum was going out in the open?

Kit said:
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I noticed some of the Teen members feel that this decision came "without warning" Ö almost as if this were a knee-jerk, spontaneous reaction that was unwarranted. I don't find this to be the case. We've been discussing Teen Chat's influence and purpose within these walls from way back when it was originally Teen Explorer, and we have continued to discuss both it's positive and negative aspects right up until Ron made the decision to pull the forum.


I was surprised the forum was closed ďwithout warningĒ, posting a thousand threads in a restricted forum wouldnít have lessened that surprise. Posting one or two threats in Teen or somewhere else might have got my attention and other peoples too.

All thatís water under the bridge now though, the question has to be do we want or need a Teen Chat Forum and if so how are we going to stop it from becoming what it did and if the steps needed to be taken are worth the price we may have to pay.

I think the answer to both questions is yes I'm worried however that the easiest and more likely answer to both is no.

[This message has been edited by Phaedrus (05-04-2002 06:24 PM).]

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23 posted 05-04-2002 06:18 PM       View Profile for LCBS   Email LCBS   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LCBS

I was thinking some more, turning it over in my head....cause I tend to do that a lot...


I know that when I first stumbled to Teen chat (by accident, I was on the site for at least a year before realizing it was there) I tried to make my threads similar to the others....because I wanted to fit it.  

The thing is, when you look at the threads of others, you tend to mirror what they do.  And soon enough we had a "chat room" like thing, backed up with posts that were all the same, and that really made no sense....


Thats just me thinking....trying to grasp justification.....


And after more and more thinking, I've decided I'm happy that you took it away for a while...yea...it needed a break....and maybe when it comes back, you guys can show me what a Teen Chat should really be


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24 posted 05-04-2002 06:20 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Where are the teens? Oh, a few have joined in the discussion here but where are the ones who felt that Teen Chat was their home? Where are the reasonable teens who can speak up about keeping a Teen Chat Forum alive and maintained? I know there were lots more members in Teen Chat than have voiced an opinion on this.
 
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