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NapalmsConstantlyConfused
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25 posted 05-04-2002 07:13 PM       View Profile for NapalmsConstantlyConfused   Email NapalmsConstantlyConfused   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for NapalmsConstantlyConfused

i would like to point out something that may have contributed to the reaction...
i know until i came into the deputy moderator forums i was totally in the dark as to the sheer amount of discussion that takes place in there, and the volume of material that gets passed back and forth.
i can only assume that the senior moderator forum sees an equivalent amount of traffic.

given this, it is quite possible that most of the teens didn't know it was being discussed - the rules about not bringing things out of the moderator forums sort of hid the discussion. (don't get me wrong, i agree with that rule, but i think it was inconvenient in this instance.)

i have certainly become aware of the discussions in the dep mod forums now, but since most readers don't have access to the forum, they might simply not have known that the problem had reached that high a stress level.

just a thought
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26 posted 05-04-2002 07:50 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

No Dave, most of the discussions were held in the DM forum. In full view of ALL DM's who chose to participate. I counted about 25 teen DM's.

Most of the teens in the Chat Forum had that forum bookmarked and never went to another forum. I wonder if they can find their way back?
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27 posted 05-04-2002 08:35 PM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus

Sharon,

I think the point Dave was trying to make is the one I touched on earlier, if the discussions took place in a restricted forum how are the rest of us mere mortals supposed to know what the heckís going on and the possible ramifications?

If we discount telepathy the answer seems to be that we canít, hence the ďwithout warningĒ feeling that Kit seemed to feel was unwarranted. Perhaps things might have turned out differently if the issues were tackled in the open, giving everyone a chance to voice their opinion and get a better handle on the seriousness of the situation. I donít mean a ďhey guys which way do you think this forum should goĒ type thread I mean a ď Look this isnít working and weíre going to pull the plug if things donít changeĒ kind of thread.

As I said earlier though hindsight is a wonderful thing but doesnít get us very far. Itís easy for me to sit here in the cool light of day (night really ) thinking about all the what ifs when what we really need to do is take onboard the points that Ron raised and try and come up with a viable solution.

On another note Iím as surprised as you are that more teens havenít joined in this discussion, perhaps weíre wasting our time; maybe Iím wrong and the Teen Chat forum simply isnít worth resurrecting .
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28 posted 05-04-2002 10:30 PM       View Profile for Skyfire   Email Skyfire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfire

"I noticed some of the Teen members feel that this decision came "without warning" Ö almost as if this were a knee-jerk, spontaneous reaction that was unwarranted. I don't find this to be the case. We've been discussing Teen Chat's influence and purpose within these walls from way back when it was originally Teen Explorer, and we have continued to discuss both it's positive and negative aspects right up until Ron made the decision to pull the forum."


That's what Kit said. Now, why some of the teens feel/felt that way is beyond me. I've been hearing over and over how Teen Chat was dying, and how it had gone down the drain, and all that. I don't know what to say on this; I don't know why people in there were taking things so personally. For a while there, we were able to have honest, mature discussions about serious issues... but then it just went right back to the chatter again. I honestly think, (and this is just my opinion) that if the teens (myself included) had been a bit more mature, and not let things get to them, it wouldn't have come down to this. I've seen people carry insults or arguments over into Teen Poetry a few times, and I'm definately not discluding myself in that, cause I know I've done it at least once. I don't know, I just think that the Teen Chat Forum has needed something like this for a long time. We've lost some really valuable memebers because of thinly veiled insults, pointless conversations, and lack of response in the Teen Poetry section. Maybe if the Teen Chat is gone, those members will return and start posting their poetry again. I apologise for my part in this; I certainly haven't been an innocent bystander... I've said things that were thinly veiled, and barely got past guidelines. And I apologise.
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29 posted 05-04-2002 10:36 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

A few in-depth discussions did take place in the DM forum, and that is merely as a direct result of various problem threads from Teen Chat which were brought to all moderator's attention requiring discussion (cases of profanity ... issues of concern to be monitored). That's a normal course of the moderation of these forums.  

As Poet Devine pointed out ... a great many of our DM's are Teen Moderators and they were therefore a part of these discussions, and their feedback has been invaluable.  I trust these members to give us the feedback necessary to make appropriate decisions. They are an integral part of the Teen forums ... they know the pulse or the heartbeat of the community ... and their opinions carry a great deal of weight.

In addition to that however, many of the enlightening discussions took place throughout Teen Chat itself, in the general public, with the membership noting the various frustrations they had encountered as noted by the various links I supplied (there were many more that I did not include.)

Regardless of what venue the problems were discussed within... they were discussed nonetheless, and feedback was requested, solutions or possibilities for solutions were offered for review and attempts to resolve the problem were implemented on numerous occasions.  All were a result of the information compiled from both public and private discussions.

The DM forum may be a private forum, but it is open to all members who sign up for a rotation ... even if their rotation was only once, and even a year ago.  All are encouraged to continue to participate in the discussions within the DM forum, and to it's success, many continue to frequent our discussions and offer their opinions.  Each voice has the ability to affect and determine the direction of the forums.  That is in great part, the strength of the DM forum ... the continued participation of the "members" of Passions. After all, we are all simply members ... volunteering with our thoughts Ö. all hoping to contribute to the betterment of a "home" we can be proud of ... be comfortable in ... feel safe in ... and call "home".
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30 posted 05-04-2002 11:24 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

Doesn't the relative lack of reaction show something?

I think it shows two things:

1. Some individuals involved know they screwed up (and knew it when they were doing it) but don't know how to fix it.

2. Some individuals involved knew what they were doing, thought it was funny, and when action came down, they shrugged their shoulders because, well, it was never all that important from the start.

My point is that those involved already knew they were crossing the line. Perhaps they didn't consciously think it but intuitively they felt it.

Silence says a lot.

How do we solve this? Most of you know how much I love processes over simple answers and I would suggest the solution is developing at this moment -- here and in other threads.  

Brad
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31 posted 05-05-2002 01:39 AM       View Profile for Masked Intruder   Email Masked Intruder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Masked Intruder


As an inconsistent member, it is easy for me to pop in and out without people noticing.  I jumped into Teen Chat and Teen Poetry on occasion to see how they have been progressing over the past couple of years.  And I have yet to regret my decision to not be a permanent moderator of Teen Poetry.  The moderators of that forum, as well as Teen Chat, have done a remarkable job attempting to keep a rather large group of teenagers in line.  Up until recently, they had managed to at least keep the rules and regulations bobbing above the surface.  The time and energy spent trying to keep up with naturally unruly teenagers is immeasurable.  But, inevitably it was more than they could handle.  The residents of those forums blatantly disregarded their obligations and the authority that should have been shown to the moderators, again and again.  I am in complete agreement with the removal of the chat forum.  If those members that frequented the forum could not live up to the simple standards that Ron set down in the rules, they don't deserve to have an outlet designated for them alone.  Poetry site, not chat site...as has been pointed out on more than one occasion.  

I will concede that there were some aspects to the forum that were beneficial to the members.  But those aspects were somehow lost among the frenzy.  If, by some small miracle, the benefits could be brought back to the top of Teen Chat's priority list, then by all means, reinstate the forum.  Though, I will have to agree with, I think, Phaedrus (though I don't recall exactly who mentioned this idea) on the idea of a few heavy-handed moderators to control the forum for a few months.  Out-of-control well describes the situation the forum was in before its closure; it cannot reach that point again if it were to be brought back.  

You can't wake a person who is pretending to be asleep. -- Navajo Proverb

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32 posted 05-05-2002 04:07 AM       View Profile for Low Man's Lyric   Email Low Man's Lyric   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Low Man's Lyric's Home Page   View IP for Low Man's Lyric

I have been here when Teen Explorer was alive, but I am by no means the one thats been here the longest. But anyway I would like to have my input on the closing of Teen Chat.

"Our discussion forums give us the opportunity to see our worlds through different eyes..."
~Ron

Thats what Teen Chat was about, we expressed our ideas, our opinions, and if you like, our "world" to one another. Yes sometimes our own opinions and judgements may have caused "bickering" but since Teen Chat was about exploring each others world, how can there not be bickering? There will always be people who agree and disagree, and of course those that don't care either way.

I have even contributed to getting people angry or mad, like on Teen Chat there was a thread about the German shooting but when I posted I talked about the American booing of the Canadian anthem and etc (I would give you a link but I can't get into Teen Chat =/ ). Sure I sounded mad and everything but I just gave my opinion on what I thought, and I saw/read no "bickering" at all. I read legitimate replies to what I said and it ended peacefully.

Teen Chat was also about helping each other out, like Dancin Queen (Kiley) post about losing her father. Not only we gave our support for her but we also showed compasion and empathy for her as well. I don't know why some of you think that all teens do is fight or "bicker", I don't really see that at all. I mean there is no way we could stop that, its natural. We all fight or argue with friends, family, workers and etc. So there is bound to have moments with anger and frustration in Teen Chat since we are like a big group of friends, or even a family if you will.

Other reasons why we fight is because life is sometimes hard for us teens. Some of you may think that we are too young to be depressed or too young to feel sad/anger/love. I'm 19 myself, and believe me when I say there are times when I felt like quiting. By quiting I mean taking my own life, its so frustrating during the teen years since everyone one of us may have experienced love and the loss of a loved one. I heard many adults say that teen love isn't real, it's just puppy love at best. Well to those that think that, wrong! I fell in love with someone, and we broke up. The emotional pain that came from the break up still remains today. I would rather go through intense physical pain than emotional pain. What I felt wasn't "puppy love", it was passion, understanding, security, happiness, sorrow, sadness, anger, pain...it was love. I know what I felt, I know how I feel. By taking away Teen Chat you robbed me of the love I felt by the people in Teen Chat, we are now a seperated family of friends who have no where to turn when we need to get something off our chest, or need to get help with a certain personal issue.

Please bring back Teen Chat

Hey, what is going on I said?
There is no Teen Chat to be read.
Now where is my circle of friends?
Isn't this the haven without ends?
Why take away something so pure?
The reasons to me are unsure.
But from what I do know,
It's respect that we don't show.
We fight, we talk, we laugh, we share,
That's how we show that we care.
Every family has a fight,
Even if it doesn't seem right.
There's no where else I'd rather be,
Then in Teen Chat, with family.

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33 posted 05-05-2002 08:42 AM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus

Brad

Perhaps all the teens had their posting privileges removed or maybe aliens abducted them all alternatively they might all feel a little hard done by and have decided that they simply donít want to be in a place where they have no voice or defence against (possibly perceived)arbitrary decisions.

I believe your answers are probably closer to the truth, but Iím only guessing.

All,

The senior members who are interested, and those Teens that have somehow avoided the clutches of the alien abductors, have two fundamental issues to resolve before we can move on. Ė Do we want or need a Teen Chat forum and if we do how do we stop it degenerating into what it had become.

Until we start discussing the way forward all this thread and others are going to be are post mortems (useful in some respects) and pity parties (as useful as a chocolate fire engine).

Has anybody any ides or is it better to let sleeping dogs and Teen Chat lie?

[This message has been edited by Phaedrus (05-05-2002 10:52 AM).]

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34 posted 05-05-2002 12:53 PM       View Profile for Low Man's Lyric   Email Low Man's Lyric   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Low Man's Lyric's Home Page   View IP for Low Man's Lyric

I don't know why you guys keep saying that Teen Chat "degenerated" into what it is now, wasn't the purpose of having it for us teens to chat? It was under the "Discussion" part of PIP, and the description of Teen Chat said something like "A place to discuss the future of society" or soemthing around those lines. So what did we do wrong? I don't see any other purpose of Teen Chat then the one we gave it. A place to talk, share ideas and feelings to one another. How did it "degenerate"? Teen Chat was always the same, so I don't know how it "denegenrated" from what it was before?

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35 posted 05-05-2002 01:45 PM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus


Low Manís Lyric

Teen Chat, Teen Explorer as it was then, was originally conceived as a place where teens could talk about writing. It was envisaged that general chat would be included, the degeneration mentioned is more to do with the manner in which that chat was conducted, the cliques and bickering etc., not the chat itself. As Ron pointed out the chat was bearable as long as it was conducted in a civil manner and as a healthy part of Pip, which is in stark contrast to the isolated and insular forum it became.
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36 posted 05-05-2002 01:53 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Yes, it was a "place to talk" and "share ideas and feelings."

But sadly it also became a place to gratuitously swear, encourage others to break the law (drug references), and continuously call each other a vast array of nasty names, either directly or indirectly. Too many of the participants (not all) had virtually no respect for each other, for themselves, or for the rules of this web site. Even most of those who didn't break the rules just sat back and watched it all happen.

There were a lot of good things that happened in Teen Chat. I don't deny that. I'm proud of that! But I also don't believe the good things can justify the rampant disrespect. The question is whether we can somehow salvage the good and avoid the bad. Because I refuse to waste my time, or ask others to waste their time, trying to maintain order within a group of people who don't want order. Those who see nothing wrong with treating others like crap will always find themselves treated like crap. There are plenty of places on the Internet for those people to congregate. These forums, however, are for people who want to BE respected and are willing to GIVE respect in return. It's fine to disagree with people. It's even okay to strongly dislike them. But neither of those are justifications for treating them any differently than you would want to be treated.

The bottom line is pretty simple.

Those who join pipTalk agree to follow our rules. Those who follow our rules will always be welcome to participate. But only those who BELIEVE in our Guidelines, who want to treat others with respect and tolerance, will ever be truly happy here.
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37 posted 05-05-2002 02:57 PM       View Profile for Low Man's Lyric   Email Low Man's Lyric   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Low Man's Lyric's Home Page   View IP for Low Man's Lyric

With all do respect Phaedrus, you weren't around PIP long enough to state that all we did was "bicker" and disrespect one another in Teen Chat. I find your comments and support of the closing of Teen Chat somewhat void.

Ron - You are right about some of the drug refrences and swearing that happened in Teen Chat, but I disagree with you when you say that we didn't repect each other. Sure we said some nasty things to one another at times, but its impossible for us to sometimes control our outbursts. Everybody fights, its bound to happen. I personally think that we did respect each other, its a shame that any of you don't/didn't see that.

One more thing, why didn't we get a notice saying that Teen Chat was going to close? Or atleast a second chance. Someone should have posted something in Teen Chat stating that. I had no idea what was going on, and it did come to a big surprise to me when I couldn't find the Teen Chat forum.

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38 posted 05-05-2002 04:14 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

FTR, Low Man's Lyric, Phaedrus has been around almost two years longer than you have. A different username doesn't make him a different person.

You said, "Sure we said some nasty things to one another at times, but its impossible for us to sometimes control our outbursts."

The clinical name for such a person is sociopath. If you couldn't control your bladder and refused to take precautions, I'd probably ask you not to sit on my sofa. If you couldn't control your outbursts, I'd ask you leave my home. But I really don't think that's what we're talking about here. Being unable to control yourself and being unwilling to control yourself are two very different things. Since the people in all of our other forums manage to control themselves, at least by and large, what you're really suggesting is that teens need special dispensation because they are somehow less than adults. I don't believe that. Not for a minute.

Finally, there is little real difference between a warning and a threat. I rarely issue the former and never the latter. I suspect if you get stopped by a cop for speeding, he'll likely feel similarly. You "might" get a warning, but it'll probably be a ticket. It's your responsibility to know and follow the speed limit, not the officer's to stop you and remind you of it. You break the law, you pay the price.

It's a little different here, because we're a community, not a society. Cops get paid to do a job. It's their career. Our Moderators, on the other hand, don't get paid. They come here because they like to read and write poetry. They help keep our home clean because they realize the poetry is more enjoyable when it's not surrounded by distasteful clutter. Why should I ask them to spend their valuable time, day after day, over and over, reminding people of the same rules those people broke just the day before?

Your attitude suggests you see absolutely nothing wrong with the way Teen Chat evolved. You admit there was swearing and drug references, and figure the name calling was inevitable. Our rules are meaningless. Frankly, that attitude is EXACTLY  the problem. Those who don't agree with our rules and philosophies are free to leave. They are NOT free to continuously ignore those rules.

Trying to justify the old Teen Chat ain't gonna work. Because I'm not going to buy into uncontrollable outbursts or rules that only hold for adults and not teens. Our focus should be on building a new discussion forum for teens, where those who AGREE with our rules and philosophies can enjoy themselves. Anything else is a waste of time.
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39 posted 05-05-2002 04:35 PM       View Profile for Skyfire   Email Skyfire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfire

LML, I must diagree with your saying that we all respected each other in there.  We didn't. I respected maybe five or six people in there. And they respected me. But there were many others whom I didnt' respect, for various reasons.

And why would we get a warning about it? You can't have missed all the disscussions that went on in Teen Chat about the downslide of the forum.

I still don't know where all the other teens are. I've tried to find them, but haven't had much luck. I for one would love to see the forum reinstated, but I think that a break is the thing that's needed here.  
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40 posted 05-05-2002 08:17 PM       View Profile for Phaedrus   Email Phaedrus   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Phaedrus

Low manís lyric

Fair comment, Iíll leave the outcome in the hands of more senior members and keep my opinions to myself in future.

Good luck
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Phaedrus - why would you want your to leave your opinions to yourself? They're always welcome, after all, what else are discussion forums for?

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Severn

I think Iíve come to the conclusion that the teen forum isnít worth saving. My opinions donít matter in the long run so why buck the system Iím happy to bow to superior knowledge
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Phaedrus,
come on, don't be intimidated by my 3500+ post count...

i think it's admirable how you manage to see both sides of an issue..are you a Gemini by any chance?

[This message has been edited by faterider (05-05-2002 09:58 PM).]

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I must apologize Phaedrus, when I saw that you were a member since 2002 I asumed that you are just agreeing with everyone about the closing of Teen Chat without thinking of your own thoughts on it. Since Ron said that you had another name before this one, I take back my comment and apologize.

Ron - "The clinical name for such a person is sociopath."

Lol, yeah I guess we are mentally unstable at times.

"Your attitude suggests you see absolutely nothing wrong with the way Teen Chat evolved. You admit there was swearing and drug references, and figure the name calling was inevitable. Our rules are meaningless. Frankly, that attitude is EXACTLY  the problem."

I didn't say that the rules in Teen Chat were meaningless, thats kind of unfair to suggest that I do think that. Yes I still think the name calling was inevitable, there are people out there who join forums just to cause fights. Awhile back I was at another forum (not PIP, and I won't say where) and 1 person suggested that they should go to the Back Street Boys Forum and cause a mess. About 6-10 other people wanted in so they calculated their time zones to match when they were going to be online, and on that time they signed up and made numerous posts with tons of swearing, bashing and etc. I pretty much saw it all, I read all the posts they made and even though I didn't join in I did find it really funny. Why did they do it? I don't know, but it was funny at the time. I guess what I am trying to say is that, there are people who don't even read the rules on a site even when they join (like me, I kind of glanced at them) and others don't care if there are rules or not because they will do whatever they want to. I guess along the lines of Teen Chat we forgot the rules that were on that forum, and used it as whatever we wanted to. Whats done is done, but I really did enjoy Teen Chat.

Skyfire - I liked everyone in Teen Chat, and I still think that we did respect each other there. Just because we used some swears doesn't mean that we didn't. Actually to me (a little off topic but), there is no such thing as "swears". Butt means the same thing as (well you know), and poo means the same thing as (again you know). So why are those words swears when words such as poo, butt and etc aren't? Plus you can use those words for different reactions like; Oh poo, I droped it and Oh "blank", I dropped it. Both of those express the same meaning, frustration of dropping something. Sorry for redirecting this topic, I just had to say that. But just think what I said, I mean years ago "hell" was considered a swear. But now everybody says it, "go to hell" is widely used and I heard teachers use it often. But when someone uses what is considered a swear now gets in trouble, why? Also the "F word" is not a swear to me either, dictionary.com says that one if its meaning is "Used in the imperative as a signal of angry dismissal." That reminds me of "Get lost" or "get out of here" but yet having the F word in a sentence like "F off" is a swear?

Sorry about that, I'm just giving some examples of the flaws in our modern language. Years from now those words won't be considered swears anymore because either they will be replaced by other words that sound "bad" or we may actually accept those words as just what they are, words.

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You raise a good point about words, and you might be surprised to hear that I largely agree. But your point also demonstrates, I think, what this community is all about.

As an ex-construction worker, former Marine, and long time writer, I doubt there are too many vulgar words I haven't heard or used. Like you, I think each can be utilized for effective communication in the right spot. Of course, most people don't recognize the right spot, but use swear words in the same way they use other dull and meaningless cliches. That's just lazy writing. Profanity, like exclamation points and adjectives, loses impact when not used sparingly.

Our Guidelines say that we "discourage the use of gratuitous profanity." Emphasis should be placed on "discourage" and "gratuitous."

Why? Because as much as we respect words and the power they provide, we respect PEOPLE even more. You may not find a particular swear word offensive, but there are many others who will. Avoiding the use of words that make people uncomfortable is nothing more than showing RESPECT for their viewpoint.

Would you swear in front of your rabbi or minister? A teacher? How about on a job interview? I know these forums sometimes feel as if we're sitting in our living room talking with old buddies, or gathered around a pitcher at the local pub - but that's NOT the case. These forums are public, with people of all ages, from all walks of life, and respect demands that we acknowledge everyone's sensibilities. That's really nothing more than practicing good manners.

When you care about other people, and recognize their diversity, there's simply no reason to go out of your way to offend them. And THAT is why we discourage gratuitous profanity.


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quote:
My opinions donít matter in the long run...
Phaedrus - in many instances of life i would agree. in these forums, that statement is 100% wrong.

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I'm pleased to see this thread taking shape... I wish more teens would join in and give some constructive input, though... Communication is the first step to formulating a productive solution...

Where are the rest??

Gotta love those teens...
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48 posted 05-06-2002 10:48 AM       View Profile for Jenn Cirrincione   Email Jenn Cirrincione   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jenn Cirrincione

Gotta love us...ehhh... no comment on that.

Anyway, yes I'm here to take part as, for the next several months I'll continue to be a teen. As for the "knee-jerk" reaction, common sense told me something might very well be afoot. But as far as actual discussion, I never knew it was going this far. Elizabeth, former DM, and I were talking one day, and she mentioned a comment from one of the SM's that looked suspisciously threatening to the "future of the teen chat forum". I read it, and was a tiny bit concerned, but told Lizzy she was probably wrong and the SM was talking about some aspect of the forum, and not the existance of such. I really had no clue, or warning that the forum may be revoked. Personally, I feel that even though many teen members were out of control and immature, the revoking of the forum was equally immature. (Sorry Ron, nothing against you, I just feel that way.) There most be a more civil way to handle things than that. You've all said it yourselves Dm's and SM's are not babysitters, or parents. Why should the moderators act like that now? As if punishing a small child for going into the cookie jar, now none of the children are allowed cookies. I've never really understood that line of thinking.

And as to the encouragement of illegal drug behavior, I felt that the thread in which you speak of was heading in the wrong direction, that's a given. But I also saw that many teens were offering alternatives to drugs, and showing how it wasn't the "cool" thing to do (myself included). A few immature individuals left their brains in idle for a few minutes, and as a direct result the whole group of us suffers. There has to be a more enlightened way to fix the problem.


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[This message has been edited by Jenn Cirrincione (05-06-2002 10:50 AM).]

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49 posted 05-06-2002 11:12 AM       View Profile for Marshalzu   Email Marshalzu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marshalzu's Home Page   View IP for Marshalzu



quote:
Originally posted by Phaedrus
they might all feel a little hard done by and have decided that they simply donít want to be in a place where they have no voice or defence against (possibly perceived)arbitrary decisions.



I think you will find that this is probably nearer the mark than you expect, I think many thought that there should have been at least a warning or the main offenders should have been targeted rather than the entire community.
 
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