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Poet deVine
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25 posted 04-05-2002 03:39 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I don't swear in public (and rarely in private)

I don't drive aggressively (I do tend to go over the speed limit but not aggressively)

I'm not rude to salesclerks even if they are rude to me

I'm not rude to drivers who cut me off in traffic

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26 posted 04-05-2002 10:48 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

~Interrupts nice, mannered, friendly thread~

Well Interloper, no offense but your statements have all annoyed me, and I'm going to elaborate on that    

Nice set of blanket statements you have going there. Don't agree with any of them.

Jailing profane adults..Let's test this theory of yours with one possible scenario: A parent: 'Oh no, a curse word slipped out, send me to jail and away from my child!' Better for the parent to educate the child about what was said, and explain to the child that it was wrong to say it and apologise to the child. Considering that that child will soon, if not already, be hearing it at school. Mind you - we could always jail 8 year olds couldn't we?

I notice you don't have any problems with women swearing in front of men? May I ask why not? Old fashioned thoughts of male-superiority operating here? (Sorry to bring in feminism...but well, this IS a discussion forum is it not?) And then there's that one about women not letting men be gentlemen...lots of issues of control there...'let me be a gentleman, or else you're rude'...hmmm...highly problematic. Highly manipulative, highly reductive, and highly capable of allowing double standards to operate.

/Insert/ - What if I don't want the door opened for me? Last time I looked, I had five fingers attached to an arm that could open a door perfectly well. Heavens - I've actually opened doors myself FOR men! Should I be confused about my gender? Walking on the traffic side of the street? Why? Are men's bodies more capable of withstanding the sudden impact of a car at 35 miles per hour? 'Don't worry my fair damsel I'll stop it!' "THUD!" 'There we go, we'll just call an ambulance for the driver...' Or, is sprayed mud the issue...?/end insert/

So I assume Interloper - oh I've just had a bright thought! This is all rhetoric, with a sardonic basis and you don't actually endorse the jailing of thousands of adults for swearing..but let's continue on in the vein that you are actually serious. So I assume that you have never uttered any profanity before? If so, naughty man, I suggest you get yourself down to the police station this instant...AND while you're at it, have a look at some family geneaology to sort out where on earth your terrible breeding could've come from.

I've come to the conclusion, that in terms of your statements I must be terribly ill-bred. My poor mother.    

~back to nice, mannered, friendly thread~

[This message has been edited by Severn (04-05-2002 10:58 PM).]

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27 posted 04-08-2002 03:41 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

quote:
What if I don't want the door opened for me?

ok. . . but, could you please tell me before I do it??  

for some of us, these kinds of things are hard-wired into our brains. . . I have my Father and 12 years of Parochial School to thank for that. . .

but, I'm wondering. . . would you react the same way if you had an armful of packages or what not and didn't have the door open for you by a male (if they were the only gender around). . .

*wondering when this was going to creep into the thread*

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28 posted 04-08-2002 04:22 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

on the gentleman vs. lady issue: respect is the key, from man to woman, woman to man.

i too had issues along the lines of K's in regard to Interloper's reply, but didn't have the time to be antagonistic.
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29 posted 04-08-2002 04:29 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

you know... while we're at it: would someone please clarify the difference between swear words and their "clean" versions?

darn
damn

what's the difference? why is one 'offensive' while the other is perfectly acceptable...
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30 posted 04-08-2002 05:52 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth Cor   Email Elizabeth Cor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Cor

'Don't worry my fair damsel I'll stop it!' "THUD!" 'There we go, we'll just call an ambulance for the driver...'


ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!

this could be something to explore the overturned thread... or should we start a new one where Edward overturns the carriage?

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31 posted 04-10-2002 03:42 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

Respect, yes, that's the answer.

But, I thought that I might get some thoughts from K on the subject. . . you know me. . . I like to ask questions. . .

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32 posted 04-10-2002 06:51 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Thoughts...hmmmmmmmmmmm..(I'm not meant to be here sssssshhhhhhhhhhhh..I'm meant to be going to school but I feel sick so, sorry school..)

A Treatise On Manners by K

Take care to always cross the Road delicately and make sure you look left and right (left first for some Nations, right for Others) - this is Courteous to the Drivers of Car-riages.

Oh, sorry, getting my threads mixed up AGAIN duh.

Honestly, I think it's dependent on situation in terms of the customer is always right...here's a situation from the annals of my pedanticness...

Me - at McDonald's (generally yuck, but sometimes yanno - you just have to have it). Ask for fresh everything like I always do. Specifically say 'I don't mind the wait' as I always do. What do I get? NON-FRESH chicken nuggets, tough as old leather boots. So, I went up and politely (seriously - I was polite) asked the manager to inform the pie/filet girl that it isn't hard to load six new nuggets in a fry basket and set it gently in the frying vat and then remove it after 4 minutes.

Sigh. The world is just too much sometimes. Mope, whine.

I believe I was in the right. So there. Now, on the other hand...take my current part time job. Market Research. I get to ring people up and politely (or I get fired) ask them to take part in a survey. All they have to do is say no right? Oh nooooooooo...I've been sworn at, hung up on and accused of trying to sell something despite the clear introduction that involves words like 'survey', 'research', 'voluntary'...

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr...and when they swear at me, I'm not even allowed to ring them back and give them a piece of my mind (because we all know how antagonistic I am right? )

As regards men and women and chivalry. I don't often wave my favour about or wear a pointy hat or do needlework in nice towers. If a guy WANTS to open the door, fine, unless I beat him to it. Having the car door opened for me in the rain is always good, mainly because it's pragmatic. When I was in NC staying with Jamie - he always opened the doors for me, which was really nice, and weird because many NZ guys just don't have that whole gentleman thing programmed in like they seem to have in the South. This doesn't make them seem any less mannered though..just, different.

Hm. Swearing in front of kids - bad bad. (not jailing bad though )

What else - giving up seats on the bus for elderly people. I fume when I see younger people ignoring the elderly person who needs a seat, swaying fraily about, hanging onto the side poles...fortunately, that doesn't happen often.

Right, there are some thoughts Sven. I swear to faithfully record any others that find their way into my little womanly mind.

K


[This message has been edited by Severn (04-10-2002 07:57 PM).]

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33 posted 04-21-2002 02:32 PM       View Profile for Alicia   Email Alicia   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicia

~I know I've been driving along, chomping on an apple and been so annoyed with another drivers behavior that I've had to hold back the urge to chuck it at them, ha but gosh, get a load of this,..._I_ got a hard boiled egg??? hucked at me while driving along the other day, rofl, I instantly thought of this thread and it's mention of manners on the road, at the time I didn't know whether to get angry or laugh,...and the thing sounded like a bullet for goodness sake. sigh. Just thought to share. *Peace.
 
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