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0 posted 03-08-2002 11:46 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

If someone posted a fictional account of this real-life story, I strongly suspect I would delete it. I know I wouldn't believe it, because the story is beyond belief.

The link below is to a story on Fox News. Maybe I'm over-reacting, but I have to add a disclaimer to this and hope you will trust me enough to know I'm serious - this story, though posted on a legitimate news site, should NOT be read if you are uncomfortable with horror. Because that's what it is. It shows, I think, that cruelty isn't necessarily the most horrific thing in this world, because this story isn't really about cruelty. It's about what happens when cowardice is greater than compassion. It's about selfishness taken to an extreme I would not have believed possible. And, somehow, that makes it so much worse than cruelty.

I read this story almost 24 hours ago, and decided almost immediately to simply try to forget it. I was not going to share it with you, because I felt sharing it served no purpose beyond sensationalism.

Obviously, I changed my mind. I changed my mind because, over the past few days, I have repeatedly seen really good people in these forums expressing serious anger over things that just aren't all that important. I've seen people not just get angry, but purposely try to incite others to anger. Over nothing. Someone seemed insincere. Someone told them the grass was blue. Someone was arrogant. Disagreements are both inevitable and, believe it or not, good. They are just as much a part of communication as are agreements. It's okay to disagree. But why do people have to get mad? Six months from now, how much will the insincerity, the wrong-headedness, the arrogance really matter to you?

Forget the little things. Ignore them. Walk away. If you want to get angry, there are horrors in this world that really merit your anger. This, I think, is one of them.

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,47361,00.html


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1 posted 03-08-2002 11:53 PM       View Profile for Skyfire   Email Skyfire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfire

I am in the deepest shock... Woah. Thank you for bringing this to my attention Ron... I think it's time I went and did a little soul-searching.

Just don't fall in love with me and no one will get hurt

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2 posted 03-09-2002 12:06 AM       View Profile for Jeffrey E. Osborne   Email Jeffrey E. Osborne   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jeffrey E. Osborne

     I originally learned of this story while listening to a morning talk radio show. I thought it was too outrageous and cruel to be real and suspected that the two hosts made it up in an effort to shock their listeners. It was to my extreme shock and horror that I found the news article relating the incident in my local paper. I simply cannot fathom what kind of depraved soul would bring such harm to another individual.
    Ron, you are so right to remind us that we all too often make mountains out of mole hills and lose sight of what is really important in our lives. Thank you for your timely message.
    
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I knew before I clicked on it, that this was the story you were linking to....my husband told me about it, and it was so horrible, I almost didn't believe him...till I saw it on the news, and cried....that kind of cruelty I can never ever comprehend....it hurt the deepest part of my soul....yes folks don't sweat the small stuff....worry about the big ones...
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4 posted 03-09-2002 12:35 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Dear God.. We have to find a way to make a POSITIVE difference in today's world...
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I heard about this on the radio this morning.  It's unbelievable.  It really makes you wonder what is happening to the world.  I don't even know what to say, it's just.. so shocking that someone could be so cold hearted and uncaring about another human life
Tara

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I heard about this yesterday too, and it
just seemed, and still seems so unbelievable.
The first thing that crossed my mind, after
hearing of this, was that it reminded me of
a scene from Stephen King's 'Misery'...only
much, MUCH worse, because THIS is real!

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I've read this article in several of the online news sites trying to comprehend how someone could be this heartless. I tried to justify her actions trying to find some explanation. But I don't think there is any explanation for this kind of cold cruelty. She may have been drinking and on drugs at the time, but what about the days after? The time from the accident in October until she 'got caught'? No one would have known if someone hadn't 'tipped' the police.

I feel a great deal of sadness for this woman. To live such a cold, uncaring life must leave no room for joy.

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8 posted 03-09-2002 12:43 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

This story is really disheartening... and so is the reaction. Judging by the facts listed, I have to agree with Ron. This isn't cruelty, this is selfishness.

If she had told the police what had happenned, she would be charged with drunk driving, drug use, hit-and-run, and whatever else. She probably figured if she just let him die, she could get away with it. After all, she did go out and apologize to him... yeah, I know, it doesn't seem like much of anything when compared to the atrocity of her actions, but if she was truly heartless, wouldn't she just have ignored him completely?

I think that when people automatically label someone "depraved," it's just a defense mechanism to put the criminal an arm's length away... if she is depraved, she is somehow different than we are... she is somehow less human, less deserving of compassion; and I can't accept that idea. She is just as human as I am- just because she reacted differently than I would have in the situation doesn't chnge that.

I too feel a great deal of sadness for this woman- not because I think she is cold or uncaring (I mean, she was a nurse's aide- she obviously had some interest in helping people) but because she made several horrible mistakes that piled up on each other, and much like a fib, became harder to disclose as more time went by. I feel sadness for this woman because she has to live not only with all this on her conscience, but with the horror of others' on her back.

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This is when I have to shake my head at "some" of those in the profession I attempt to hold in high regard:
quote:
Mallard's attorney, Mike Heiskell, said: "I think this is overreaching on the part of the prosecution and the police and, in the end, I believe the law will shake out that this was simply a case of failure to stop and render aid."


This is when I think Shakespeare was oh so right...

One thing I have also known to be true is that Fox News is one of the most highly accurate broadcasts around.  And if they find out they are wrong or have misquoted something, they are the first to pull it and/or amend same.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention Ron.  
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10 posted 03-09-2002 04:38 PM       View Profile for dgvarner   Email dgvarner   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for dgvarner

people dont care about one another anymore...and when we stop taking care of each other, the world is a scary place....

i wonder sometimes just what DID parents teach their children..what do they tell their children..i know i try to teach mine courtesy, care, understanding of others' situations, common sense, those sorts of things...but some peoples kids seems so completely clueless...and i know, you can only teach them so much and then they will go out and make their on life based on what they want to remember you taught them...i'm not completely blaming this womans parents...but somewhere along the line, she got lost!!  i cant help but wonder, just where her mind was after the drugs and alcohol wore off...did she walk out into her garage and say..'oh look, that man is stuck in my windshield...did i do that??'   even my 3 yr old knows how to say, "DUH!"

i dunno...the world is a strange place..i like my little "sheltered dwelling" i choose to live in..but the world news seeps in every now and then...i caught this story while flipping channels the other nite too..and i was just as baffled and dumbfounded as anybody with a bit of sense in their head...

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11 posted 03-09-2002 05:13 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress


This shocked even me and I've had the attitude that nothing could shock me these days.

*sigh*
Makes you rethink your complaints (especially the small ones) about your life when you read about something like this. This is just sad, and I'm not really sure how to react to it right now.

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quote:
This is when I have to shake my head at "some" of those in the profession I attempt to hold in high regardÖ

I seriously doubt the lawyer believed, if even for a moment, was he said, Karilea. His job is to avoid judging and try to uphold the oath he took to give EVERY client the best defense possible. His job is going to be a tough one.

quote:
i wonder sometimes just what DID parents teach their children..what do they tell their children..

Personally, I don't think it matters in the least what you tell kids. It's what you SHOW them that counts. I doubt this woman's parents ever told her to be selfish and cowardly. But I'll bet they set the example. Probably in small ways, ways they thought were harmless. Where kids are involved, though, there's no such thing as harmless. Show your child that it's all right for anger to turn into violence, even violence that leaves no permanent mark, and you end up with a Columbine. Show your child a disregard for self-sacrifice and compassion, and you end up with a man slowly bleeding to death in a garage. Kids become what they see. How much they magnify what they've seen, however, is always their OWN responsibility. IMHO, at least.
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One of the biggest problems with our comtemporary society is that today's kids are a product of a generation that is largely still 'using' mind-altering substances...

We have an entire culture of  adults that still takes drugs regularly.  Ergo - their kids do as well... Where's their sense of reality?.. It's somewhere in the world of the 'unreal'... 24/7...
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Incredible. My co-workers and I read this account in today's paper and it's beyond imagination. For once I'm speechless.
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Isn't rum considered a mind-altering drug, Nan?
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This is awful! How can anyone be so uncaring?
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This all seems very strange to me, Iíll take your word for it since obviously it is true, this is a world renowned news television network, who would have checked their facts. But this is horrific, spine chillingly horrific. Inhumanity of this magnitude is utterly incomprehensible. What is wrong with a soul who cares so little for someone that they disregard a human in this way. An apology, even several apologies just are not sufficient. In fact so inhuman is it I would have thought it just added to the poor mans torture.

ďIím sorry youíre lying there with fractures to your tibia, fibia, and pelvis, Iím sorry that your spleen has been smashed into your liver and ruptured. And oh Iím sorry that you are dying but you see itís okay because Iíve said Iím sorry. No I canít get you any help, no fluids, no touch of kindness, but it will be okay because Iíve said Iím sorryĒ. These are typical injuries from a front impact This made even worse by the fact that this was a nurses' aid, who would have known what this man needed more than anyone else, or anyone who wasnít in the medical profession anyway.

As the reports say he probably could have survived. But was actually tortured to death. This is inhumanity that is impossible to fathom, and all I can say is may someone somewhere says a prayer for this person because she definitely needs her eyes opening.

Iím shocked beyond words.

Marsha

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18 posted 03-09-2002 10:17 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

A metaphor.

I agree with Hush. The woman (notice no name) is not 'the other'. She is us.

Can we change it?  I don't know.

Do we have to try?

Do we have a choice?

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Before we can understand the crime do we need to understand the woman? Is there a reason she reacted this way?
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Wrong question. Once you see how we do much the same thing, most of the time, it makes perfect sense.

It was the homeless person's fault, really. If he just got up, got a job, and did what we do, this wouldn't have happened.

In Saudi Arabia, if an American gets into a car accident, it's the American's fault.

If he or she wasn't there it wouldn't have happened.

Why do we need anymore foreigners coming to America, anyway?

They don't do what we do, they aren't like us. If they die, that's their problem. It's not our fault. We didn't intentionally run over them.

Really, the woman is the victim in this. It's not her fault that people are different.

It's not her fault that she didn't have the time to help the homeless person. She has to go to work, see?

I've watched Fox news quite a bit recently and beginning to understand the arguments, see?
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21 posted 03-09-2002 11:46 PM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

All I have to say is I am in shock as she only gets 5 years and a fine of 10,000, that is ridiculous.  In a state, that usually hands out harsh punishments from what friends in Texas have told me, how does that penalty justify the fact that she took someone's life.  Estacy only lasts one day, and the drug would have worn off, so how could this possibly have happened?  How very inhumane.

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I wrote a poem about something similar some time ago, Uncle Victor. He was a relative by marriage who was mentally retarded, but did his best to make-do and be as independant as possible. He walked everywhere, since he knew he didn't have the physical ability to drive. He was hit by a teenager who had swerved into the grass where he was walking, dragged 5 miles, and left. Somehow, he survived for about 5 hours after he was finally taken to the hospital. The girl, who had been drinking, only told her father what had happened when he saw the damage to his car, and the blood. She got 10 years probation for DUI, DWI, Open Container, and Reckless Driving, but wasn't charged for Hit and Run, and Vehicular Homicide. When asked why she didn't immediately call the police, or stop the car, she replied, 'But he was only a bum.'
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Is Brad the only one who read (cared about?) what I had to say?

I see people dehumanizing this woman left and right... I see people exagerating the facts to somehow make her seem worse and worse in comparison... first of all, the report read that the man did not have a smashed spleen or ruptured liver, and had no internal injuries at all. Second of all, the report read that she could receive 5 years to life in prison, along with a possible 10,000 fine. Assuming that she will only get the minimum somehow incriminates her more? I don't get it.... I just don't get it.

Poet DeVine asked: "Before we can understand the crime do we need to understand the woman? Is there a reason she reacted this way?"

I personally think it's pretty straightforward. If she were caught doing drugs alone, her job would probably be on the line, as well as criminal charges(not to mention her reputation, her relationships with loved ones). Add driving to that, it gets worse. Add manslaughter, vehicular homicide, etc.- you see my point.  

She probably drove home, terrified at what she had done (and probably out of her mind on drugs and alcohol). She probably also thought he was going to die very quickly, and she'd be rid of that burden at least- maybe she even thought that there was no way to help him, and by the time she had had him home long enough to tell that she could help him, it was too late (in her mind) to tell anyone. So... she was trapped into doing something she didn't want to do at all because of one mistake leading to another and another... It's not a case of coldblooded murder... but, as Ron said, selfishness. Her prime motivating emotion was probably fear... but in the end it comes down to fear of losing all the things she had.

Of course, I don't know the woman. This is just the understanding I come to based on one short report. All I'm trying to say is that if we try to understand instead of building up walls to keep this away, it's not that hard to see where she was coming from. And the thing is... I've been chastised before because I told my uncle I don't believe Osama bin Laden is evil or inhuman... and I don't think this woman is evil or inhuman. I just wish we could all try to see things from another's point of view, because even if it's a person we'd rather not associate with, it is, after all, a person.

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dropped from a four story window
and you were in the wrong place
at the wrong time." -Ani DiFranco

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I agree with a lot of what you say hush..that's why I thought we should understand the woman - her background, her motivations, her personality. I think there are very few truly evil people in the world and I don't consider this woman one of them. It's just hard for us, as caring people, to understand how someone's mind worked. You did a good job, I think, of explaining how it could have been.
 
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