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God and Harry Potter

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wayoutwalt
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25 posted 11-20-2001 10:24 PM       View Profile for wayoutwalt   Email wayoutwalt   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for wayoutwalt

It all needs to just be cast out and we all need to follow Jesus but that is totally easier said than done I know. Harry Potter in my opinion is a cancer just like Santa Claus and everything else that gets in the way of following Jesus. I know I am a hypocrite in highest degree and a major sinner but more promotion of witchcraft especially this blatant sorcerer's tale of a movie is in no regards a good thing for the already tormented traditionalistic and habit loving human of today. Please don't think my poem is pro-magic as I am seeing some replies making me think the reader is having me promote the movie or something. Anyway before this is over I am sure that I will be well hated here so I close with an : all the above mentioned ideas and such are the formation of the author and aren't neccesarily those of passions or the reader and remain as always IMHO!
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26 posted 11-20-2001 10:42 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

..and with those words we have exceeded the Open Forum's boundaries. Any further discussion can be held in a discussion Forum. This case of Harry Potter is closed...

AND HERE WE ARE!!  

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (edited 11-21-2001).]

Kit McCallum
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27 posted 11-21-2001 06:40 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Although we're in a discussion forum now, I don't have any comments regarding the discussion itself ... but rather, wanted to simply comment on the poem.  

I thought this poem was excellent from the box office angle draw Walt. It's really amazing how far the marketing and promotion wheel can take things nowadays, and I think you captured that aspect extremely well in your poem. I really enjoyed it from that vantage.  

Best wishes,
/Kit
Alwye
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28 posted 11-21-2001 09:10 PM       View Profile for Alwye   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alwye

I think that this is most certainly a tough issue.  I must say that I've agreed with everything you have written, Balladeer.  Children should be allowed to pretend and to be exposed to many different elements.  I have never personally gone to church except a few select times with neighbors and I am sad for that.  Not because I want to be forced into one way of thinking, but rather because I was given no exposure to anything.  I am glad that I have finally been subjected to many different religions and have chosen the elements of spirituality that suit me.  I disagree that a simple story could lure children to practice black magic and become evil.  On the contrary, it seems to me that the Harry Potter stories seem to be more about comradery and believing in yourself than anything else.  I have not personally read them or seen the movie, so I can not be an accurate judge of that as of yet, but my best friend has spoken to me in detail of their content.  I also don't believe that people should judge the content of such stories and movies without seeing them first.  I'm not accusing anyone of that, but my best friend just had a disagreement with a person that hardly knew the basis of the story. And that is why I am not going into great detail with my opinions because I've decided to wait until I see/read Harry Potter and decide if my opinion changes.  I doubt it will, based on what I already know, but it's good to be informed. I respect everyone's opinion on this matter, of course, and am glad it can be discussed with class and respect here.  Part of what makes this place great, don't ya think?  

And Walt~
I liked the basis of the poem, a very interesting angle to take. You're so right about how Hollywood would hipe up such a thing.  I liked the poem a lot, even if I don't agree with your viewpoints.  But it's good to disagree now and then, isn't it?     

Hugs and smiles to everyone.  


*Krista Knutson*

"An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind." -Gandhi

[This message has been edited by Alwye (edited 11-21-2001).]

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29 posted 11-21-2001 10:08 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Thank you for your comment, alwye. Yes, I've always believed in children's fantasy. Normally parents know that, as the child grows, they recognize the difference between fantasy and reality and recall the fantasy with a smile and move on with their lives. I don't know any 30 year olds who still believe in the tooth fairy (well, maybe LongJohn). I know that my life would have been much poorer without King Arthur, Peter Pan, Grimm's Fairy Tales and Hans Christian Anderson, not to mention the Man of Steel!!  
Dusk Treader
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30 posted 11-22-2001 12:07 AM       View Profile for Dusk Treader   Email Dusk Treader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dusk Treader

I've read all four Harry Potter books cover to cover. Twice. LOL. They're wonderful books and I don't see how anyone who has read them can equate them with promoting witchcraft and thereby devil workship and the black arts. The books to me represent fun and childhood in pure tones. The magic is at mostly half serious and quite funny. How evil is a light "Put-Outer" and various other nifty contraptions and humorous spells.

The book teaches commaraderie and tolerance of other's differences, and how we are all unique in someway and have powers within us. I'd even say you might be able to call it the Holy Spirit, for can't it work miracles through us?

The tone of the book is lightly sarcastic and light hearted, except when it comes to figures of evil. All the protagonists have upstanding morals and villians are dealt with of course, though Voldemort, the evil wizard, does get away often.

My own personal belief is that saying Harry Potter promotes witchcraft is a bit over dramatic. It's not as if it had children out drawing pentagrams on the sidewalk and sacrificing goats.  

Pretending, imagination and a little "magic" enriches every childs life. Provides a small escape or joy to their life. It made me feel good that every little boy and girl was benefited by Santa, that there was magic out there when I felt I was useless.

"A hard, cold wisom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil" - Robert Heinlein

Sudhir Iyer
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31 posted 11-22-2001 06:43 AM       View Profile for Sudhir Iyer   Email Sudhir Iyer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sudhir Iyer

Walt, this is really a great write... Much enjoyed reading your perspective...

Regards,
Sudhir
P.S. as for the discussion... I love fantasy stories. Life would have been incomplete if I hadn't had my share of reading mystical stories.

Magic is an performing art, just like singing or acting, and should be left at that.

talking of tooth fairies, next thing we know is we start believing in Uncle Santa...

whatever... have fun all of you people... life is too short to believe in the ghosts who walk...   the only ghosts around are the ghosts of guilt, hurt ego and other similar dark shadows... now where is my cup of blood-wine, I want to sink my teeth in that cup    

again, my regards to all,
Sudhir
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32 posted 11-22-2001 09:46 AM       View Profile for Dusk Treader   Email Dusk Treader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dusk Treader

Walt:
I forgot to tell you that despite my views, I thought your poem was very well written. It's too bad that a super-hyped "God: the movie" is much more realistic than any Biblical tale. Though are views on this discussion are different, I still enjoyed your poem.

"A hard, cold wisom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil" - Robert Heinlein

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33 posted 11-23-2001 12:14 AM       View Profile for Secret Whisper   Email Secret Whisper   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Secret Whisper

My only thought on Harry Potter is that it is this years 'fad' (like tickle-me-Elmo or beanie babies). Harry Potter is 2002; God is eternal.

Quod me nutrit me destruit.
("What nourishes me also destroys me." - latin)

doreen peri
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34 posted 11-23-2001 12:46 AM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

before i make my comment, please know that i didn't  read all of the responses, only scrolled through and got the gist of the issues..... reminded me sorta like going to college then writing at 8am some answer to a major exam essay....

but anyway...

all i have to say is...

harry potter is magic!!!!!!

art, literature, wonder.......

no more deeper meaning than that....

beauty projected into the souls of exploration.... our children.... reaching out to learn literature, theatre, art and Love.....

i Love Harry Potter.......

(and i believe that to project positive feelings and explorations of the human spirit within as many avenues as are available, while paving new roads to reach the awesome beauty of fantasy as it reflects Truth and Joy.... these are some of our purposes as human beings.... literature is the art of imagination)

brb to post a link....
doreen peri
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35 posted 11-23-2001 12:52 AM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

http://title.forbiddenlibrary.com/

check this out...

geezzzz

fahrenhite 451???

(can't spell it but i read it...... *smile*)

love you WOW~~!!!! a wonderful thread which makes us all think........and oh god how important that is......

i think... hehe... *wink*smooch*


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