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Balladeer
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25 posted 11-02-2001 10:57 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

jwesley...I thank you, Sir.

blues....no, I'm sure you haven't offended anyone. Who is Ron? Ron is the man who began with an idea and turned it into reality by creating this site. It is his creation. He did all of the programming and has, and continues to pay all the bills. We are guests in his house. He has asked for nothing in return except that we keep the site a creation he can be proud of. He gives us free reign and does not interfere and, behind the scenes, he continues working for the betterment of the site. He is the MAN....  

Noah...thank you...now you stick around, you hear?!?!?!

Lucie...only you, dear Lucie....only you  

[This message has been edited by Balladeer (edited 11-02-2001).]

Enchantress
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26 posted 11-02-2001 11:07 PM       View Profile for Enchantress   Email Enchantress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Enchantress

Mr. Balladeer,  I must aplolgize also for I admit I flirted, a little, well....maybe a lot!  Probably quite openly too.  Therefore I shall promptly put my head into the guillotine!!  Okay by you sir?  
Balladeer
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27 posted 11-02-2001 11:25 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

enchantress, you dear lady, don't miss the point. Flirting can be fun when done rightly. Have you described unzipping anyone's pants lately? Smearing them with something and licking it off? Unleashing your sexual passion on their body? No? Then you are safe....
Marge Tindal
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28 posted 11-02-2001 11:28 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Balladeer~
This truly needed to be addressed ...
and I'm thankful that it has been.

I do want to say that Interloper has ALWAYS been a perfect gentleman with me ...
and while I appreciate his poetic talent, and his sense of humor, and kindness where I am concerned, I have also been treated with great respect by him. I show him the same respect.

AND that's really what it's all about -
RESPECT ... for ourselves and for the others who visit here.

Ron Carnell has offered us a place to express ourselves within the bounds of poetic beauty, with the clear understanding that we ALL have an obligation to follow the guidelines/rules that he has set up for his home.

When it comes to the job of moderating, it might not seem like an easy job to censor a friend - however each member/friend's contributions to this site must be measured with the same yardstick.  It has to be done to maintain the family atmosphere that exists at the Passions site.

Thank you, Balladeer~
quote:
Jeez, I e-mailed Marge years ago (it seems) and said, "Hey, Marge! You are fun! Wanna flirt?"
Yes, you did ... and it's been a wonderful bunch of fun and frivolity.  But, I need to point out that you are lagging behind ... so, I'm putting you on notice to GET BUSY !
*Hugs*
~*Marge*~

~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~
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Mysteria
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29 posted 11-03-2001 12:23 AM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Well explained, and said.  I promise to tone down my pictures in case anyone finds them offensive.  Thank you to all the moderators for keeping "order", and you do it well.
wayoutwalt
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30 posted 11-03-2001 10:59 AM       View Profile for wayoutwalt   Email wayoutwalt   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for wayoutwalt

See the poem I posted about the leading ladies was a protest poem aimed at the Casanovas at Passions that are really ruining the site in a big way. My poem had the permission of everyone in it when I first posted it in open 6. I did change one name and that was to Liz Santos because the old name doesn't post in open anymore. I hope its ok Liz I wasn't thinkin when I didn't get your permission. O yuh! Thanks Balladeer let's exterminate all the pretenders at this site!
suthern
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31 posted 11-03-2001 12:28 PM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

*wiping nervous sweat from forehead* You had me worried there for a minute, Deer... but God knows I'm harmless, so I guess I can still send you an occasional smooch??? *G* Please? *G*

Seriously... this is a great post, Balladeer. (And for once, Toe, LJA, and the rest of our old gang are completely innocent!!! LOL)
RSWells
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32 posted 11-03-2001 12:47 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

Casanovas and Casanovettes take many forms, while the apparently offending posts were more than likely quite innocent in intent, I doubt it calls for division in our ranks. Or should we extend policing powers to the overtures in private e-mails which abound? I appreciate the monitors and their voluntary and necessary contributions. I came from a site where vulgarity was mixed with children's poems and what was deleted was done so by a clique (mob(ster) rule. I know for a fact that name calling unabated will denegrate the noble purpose here and I for one would not like to see any changes to what has been a pleasurable and peaceful experience. Could we move on to the higher purpose of our chosen art? Please?
Accordionmaid
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33 posted 11-03-2001 01:05 PM       View Profile for Accordionmaid   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Accordionmaid's Home Page   View IP for Accordionmaid

Good poetry should be good poetry.  

I think there is actually very little call for "erotica," and that it doesn't serve the purpose of poetry.  
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34 posted 11-04-2001 06:52 PM       View Profile for Accordionmaid   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Accordionmaid's Home Page   View IP for Accordionmaid

I thought maybe my above post sounds kind of too mean, so I'm back to try again...what I mean is that poetry that happens to be sensual/erotic but is still somehow  'ascending' like good poetry should (in my opinion) is one thing -- poetry written just to 'hook' by it's use of baseness -- is another.  (Is that better?)
Balladeer
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35 posted 11-04-2001 07:51 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Accordionmaid...your thoughts are appreciated and not taken the wrong way. I agree with you completely.

RSWells...you needn't worry. Passions has had several trying times in the past and has continued to flourish and prosper. Why? Because we are all dedicated to the same thing...producing a quality site of poetic excellence and professionalism. It shall continue to do so....write on.
Titia Geertman
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36 posted 11-04-2001 08:28 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

Uhhhh flirting??? I did await him with my hayfork and a stampede of sheep didn't I

Now seriously, I must say I wasn't offended because I knew it was a playful fantasy, but....

YOU ARE SO RIGHT Balladeer, Open# is not the right place for these poems.

And to Interloper, you should have taken the moderator's action to move a poem to Adult in a more respectful way. This started out as a little playful harmless thing, let's keep it that way, for...

The taste of love is honey indeed
The taste of passion is rather sweet
The taste of flirt should be harmless
The taste of anger creates unessesary mess

Titia


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Tracey
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37 posted 11-04-2001 08:49 PM       View Profile for Tracey   Email Tracey   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Tracey

Okay, might as well put my two cents in!! I personally did not find interlopers poems offensive, I found them light hearted and fun. And it was a wonderfully humorous idea to give each of us ladies a poem. However, I do see that they did become a bit risque, and maybe this is not the forum for that. I certainly do not think he should have taken offense at the move, but should have taken it in the way it was intended, as the moderators doing their job. It is a shame that it had to take a turn for the worse, it needn't have done. I personally, thank all the moderators and Ron for their tireless dedication to this site. I have only been here a few months, but am quite addicted  (hey, does that mean I need to go to rehab??? LOL)

If she who dies with the most toys wins, then can I have some toy boys please?

Elizabeth
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38 posted 11-04-2001 08:55 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Tracey, if you need rehab then everyone here does!  

Balladeer, your thoughts are excellent here. If anyone's wondering about where to draw the line, all they need to do is read this and it's spelled out quite clearly. I agree with everything you said.

God bless America, my home sweet home.

SmittenKitten
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39 posted 11-04-2001 10:28 PM       View Profile for SmittenKitten   Email SmittenKitten   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit SmittenKitten's Home Page   View IP for SmittenKitten


Well I've been gone for a couple days and wondered why I wasn't seeing any new posts from Interloper...I must say I felt a bit sheepish when I read this thread because I did read and enjoy every one of his poems dedicated to us ladies here...but rules are rules and I respect that.  Especially since, as has been stated, the moderators and Ron do this in their own time to make sure this site is safe and clean for everyone to enjoy.  I am a little bit confused though as I've read other things on here which have literally made me blush and they were never moved...but I suppose it's difficult to know when to draw the line.  In which case, it's good that this issue has been brought up so that everyone is aware of that thin line....weeell, anyway, I've rambled long enough I think!  I hope that we haven't scared Interloper away...I really did enjoy his series!  Thanks for making us more aware of this issue though Balladeer, you and the other moderators do a thankless, but definitely appreciated, favour here at Passions and I'm glad that you do.

Hugs,
~Krista

Your beautiful words & creativity allow me to connect with the same in myself.  
Thank you for having the courage to share yourself so that I can too

Temptress
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40 posted 11-04-2001 11:47 PM       View Profile for Temptress   Email Temptress   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Temptress

I just wanted to say that while I dind't find the poem in question offensive, I too, agree that it belonged in Adult.  

I've noticed more and more borderline poems throughout the Open forum lately, and then enventually someone crossess the line. I'm not sure whether its done with the intent to stir things up or not, but in any case it happens, and that is what we moderators are for.  

Please see here http://piptalk.com/pip/Forum29/HTML/000787.html for more discussion on the other above comments by members about flirting, etc.   Thanks!

*Jenn*



Sometimes the heart needs the solace of solitude and silence.

[This message has been edited by Temptress (edited 11-05-2001).]

catalinamoon
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41 posted 11-05-2001 09:05 AM       View Profile for catalinamoon   Email catalinamoon   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit catalinamoon's Home Page   View IP for catalinamoon

Hi, well I took some time in response here, cause I just don't want to offend anyone. First off, I think everyones inentions at this forum are good. I truly believe there are no poets here who have less than full respect for eachother. That doesn't mean someone won't get ofended or upset once in a while, but I believe all of us love and respect eachother, and thats what makes it a special place. As for the said poems..I loved them, I have (as you all know) been very down, and every one of them made me smile and laugh a little. And I think they were great fun. Possibly more suited to adult, but thats one of the reasons I failed at my deputy moderatorship..I can't decide those things. I will say I have noticed lots of poems in a more sexual vein in Open other than these specified poems, and thought maybe we were just all getting a little more liberated. But rules considered, I will and always have, tried to post anything over the line of PG in adult. And I did not read said disagreement between the 2 Lords of Passions  here, but I think you are both awesome, and special.
Peace all.
Sandra
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42 posted 11-05-2001 02:04 PM       View Profile for Interloper   Email Interloper   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Interloper

Thank you for your candid and lucid post.  I herewith offer my most profound apologies to all herein for my lack of literary decorum.

If I were to offer any reason or excuse, it would be that I was led beyond the bounds of the Passions decorum dictates innocently in my pursuit of a worthy challenge with a tongue-in-cheek response.  I felt it would be taken in the same manner as offered.

In retrospect, I should have edited some pieces with a closer eye.  Also, just because someone expressed pleasure with my offerings, I should not have written one for them without first soliciting their permission.  I always thought if one could laugh with others, one could laugh at oneself with others.

I welcome your publicising my comments since I have never had any reason to hide.  I stand before the court of Passions and it's members accepting your decision with all the grace I can muster.

God bless you all.

~*~             ~*~
too many words here
mea maxima culpa
and that says it all
~*~

Fool, said my Muse to me, look in thy heart and write.

RSWells
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43 posted 11-05-2001 02:07 PM       View Profile for RSWells   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for RSWells

Your OK with me, now let's move on.
Sunshine
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44 posted 11-05-2001 02:12 PM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine


Moving on is a good thing.
Titia Geertman
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45 posted 11-05-2001 02:43 PM       View Profile for Titia Geertman   Email Titia Geertman   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Titia Geertman's Home Page   View IP for Titia Geertman

Interloper,

That's the right way to go my man
so write some more fantasies if you can
but watch the tone of this Passions forum
than they won't be replaced to an Adult decorum

Thanks for the way you replied to Balladeer.
And Balladeer, thanks for your statement.

Titia

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Balladeer
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46 posted 11-05-2001 04:19 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Interloper, there is no decision to be made. You were, and are, an integral part of the poetry site and I hope you will continue to be for a long time. I know of no actions of yours which were committed intentionally with bad intentions or disrespect towards anyone. Misunderstandings were made, discussion ensued and it is resolved. The system works. Your character is displayed in the class of your reply.

   Now let's write some pomes..
Marina
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47 posted 11-07-2001 06:37 PM       View Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marina

Well spoken Sir.  When in doubt always use the adult forum, that's my motto. ( I was never a BoyScout)  

But in all seriousness.  I have nephews ranging from 12 to 16 years old.  They come to read their Aunt Marina's ( That would be me...   ) poetry and friends of mine they know.  What I post in Adult is not for their eyes in my home and most certainly would not be found in Open.  The Adult forum, they also know is out of bounds because of their age.  These rules must be obeyed by all people who merely come to visit and read, and most certainly by the members here who should be very aware of are guidelines that are easily assessable to all.  if one is unsure, all you need do is ask.

My 2 cents worth....

Marina

It is a blessing to have wings for words and passion in pen.


Marina Crossley


 
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