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citizenx
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25 posted 09-05-2001 06:04 PM       View Profile for citizenx   Email citizenx   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for citizenx

Hush, communism and socialism did not work in the first place due to greed. I still find Lenin's quote very inspiring "when we are victorious on a world scale I think we will tile public lavatories with gold."

Local Rebel, I believe the reason that we don't have peace or anything that anyone here has wished for is because such wishes do not suit people in power.

"the blizzard of the world has crossed the threshold and it has overturned
the order of the soul" leonard cohen

hush
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26 posted 09-05-2001 10:57 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Carolina- if you're not against single-parent families, why are you wishing them out of existence? Just because your ideal family includes two parents doesn't mean mine does. If your wish came true, children (and mothers/fathers) who are perfectly happy the way they are would have their lives disrupted and be thrust into a situation they do not want to be in. But you want happiness... so are you wishing that we would all want a white-picket fence household with two parents? (or two grandparents? Aunts? what if there were two lesbian aunts- is that better or worse than single-parent families? I better stop now- this could be its own thread.) I think a world full of happy little nuclear familes would be really boring- in fact, I'm sure if I had grown up in the fifties I would have been a Kerouac touting beatnik, rebelling against the suburbian ways. Are you sugesting that rebellion is a bad thing? Or that rebellion would not be formed in two-parent households because everyone would be happy that way? That seems like a very one-sided approach to life... to me, anyway.

LR- great point! I personally get kind of irritated at syrupy expressions of love towards complete strangers. I, honestly, am sorry that not everyone has a great life, and that those people may not be able to afford computers to come here and say their peace. But I only have so much sincere love to give out, and it's reserved for those closest to me- I think it's easy to say you wish for people to be healthy and happy, but how many of us are actually out there in the communities helping? Look at it this way- I can adopt one, maybe two dogs from the pound. I'd love to take them all- but my resources (emotional and physical) are limited. Unfortunately, it's the same with people. There's not enough love to support the whole world.

cit x- If the people of the world really wanted peace so badly, and it was really the governements or "people in power" (which people did you mean, BTW?) that were preventing us from peace, we could overthrow them. But... if they have the human resources (armies, etc.) to hold back our peaceful cause, there must also be a significant amount of people who believe in the non-peaceful cause.

I eat only sleep and air -Nicole Blackman

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27 posted 09-06-2001 12:30 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

I can't help it - I'm getting frustrated hahaha...

Sigh.

I'm annoyed by the presumption of 'one parent families' vs 'a world' full of nuclear families.

This is so exclusive!  What about extended kinship networks?? The 'ideal' nuclear family is relatively confined to Western society...which is a society that adheres to a notion of individualism..

A couple of examples:

In the foothills of rural China: The bride travels to the groom's childhood home (often in another village), where her children are raised, and traditionally any son, like his father, will never leave. This is why sons are so desired under the birth policy programme - because sons and their brides stay home to take of parents in their old age. Hence, for a child to grow up without grandparents in this society might be just as 'traumatic' for them as growing up without two parents might be for 'us.'

Another example - for several tribes in Papua New Guinea it is not uncommon for a woman to regard her sister's children as her own. There is no separation between matrilineal cousins. In effect - children have four parents - tied through blood and hearth. Imagine how children of an only child (a rarity but possible), or a woman with no sisters or surviving sisters might feel? Could not their kinship network feel weak and inadequate without the home of an aunt to access as readily as their own mother's home?

Simply - the so-called universal notion of 'two parents' does not apply. Indeed, for children of the West, then the absence of one parent might have a negative effect - just like the presence of two might have an equally negative effect. I agree with Hush's point - what if the two parent family included a lesbian mother and her partner? (As is becoming more and more common). One grandparent and one father? Does this automatically exclude a balanced life for a child? I don't think so.

Biologically, it may take a woman and a man to create a child but the important fact is that what we perceive as 'natural' nurturing roles in parenting are in fact cultural and social constructions.

Rant finished...(for now heh).

K

P.S: Hush - I heard somewhere that a human is emotionally and psychologically capable of maintaining approximately twelve deeply intimate relationships at a time - including friends, family, lovers - not sure if it includes pets or not...


[This message has been edited by Severn (edited 09-06-2001).]

Brad
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28 posted 09-06-2001 06:38 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

This is a great thread.

Mine would be:

1. That everybody could see through the eyes of another.

2. That everybody would learn a second language.

3. That what people say and what people do get a little closer in line with each other.

Brad
Carolina
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29 posted 09-06-2001 09:22 AM       View Profile for Carolina   Email Carolina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Carolina

*sigh*  Guess my wish will never be granted.  But thanx for letting me give it anyway.  I disagree with alot, BUT, I am old-fashioned, from the south, and I don't believe in alot of what is going on in families today, and what is viewed as a "family".   But, this is just my view.  

Live today as if it's your last.  Love today as if it's your first.   Lisa

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30 posted 09-06-2001 09:29 AM       View Profile for Carolina   Email Carolina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Carolina

At least let me keep my wish for children to be free from pain and hurt, and in a HOUSEHOLD full of love.

Live today as if it's your last.  Love today as if it's your first.   Lisa

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31 posted 09-06-2001 02:29 PM       View Profile for Interloper   Email Interloper   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Interloper

Carolina, your wishes are just fine

I wish that

1.  My eldest son never sees combat,
2.  I become a better person every day, and
3.  I walk my talk.

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Local Rebel
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32 posted 09-06-2001 06:14 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

oops.. I did it again...

scuze me

[This message has been edited by Local Rebel (edited 09-06-2001).]

Local Rebel
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33 posted 09-06-2001 06:15 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

ok now I know my three wishes...

1. I wish that people could come to an understanding of relativity

2. people could come to an understanding

and... you have to extapolate number three..



ok..I'm bad... just delete me Ali -- you've done it before   j/k
Alicat
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34 posted 09-06-2001 06:53 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

LOL...LR, that lil comment just cracked me up something fierce.  

Ok...three wishes, eh? And not for me?

1) That everyone who desire work can find it.

2) Bigotry based on any and all criteria would cease immediately.

3) That everyone would respect their respective laws of the land and abide by them.
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35 posted 09-10-2001 01:37 PM       View Profile for Acies   Email Acies   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Acies

1.  I wish Mother Theresa were alive still, so she can help more people.

2.  I wish Pope John Paul II would live longer and become stronger, so he can continue being the great pope that he is.

3.  I wish my grandma would have more fruitfull years in her life.

hi Sweets, Lizzy, Kris, Ina, Allysa, Erica, Minna, Kit, Kamie, Javi, Jenn, Sharon, Nan, Cawlee, Cherish, Ashley, Sara, Justine, Leah, Jess, Kimmie, Ma

Carolina
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36 posted 09-17-2001 03:03 PM       View Profile for Carolina   Email Carolina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Carolina

OK!!!!!! I've changed my mind!!! My 3 wishes are:
1) PEACE
2) PEACE
3) PEACE

Live today as if it's your last.  Love today as if it's your first.   Lisa

 
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