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The three most important dates in history?

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Following Sven's question:

In high school, a teacher once told me three dates that I should always remember -- they were the key points in Western history (and following that, world history).


What do you think they are?

This isn't a test, you should never be tested on something that you haven't been taught but I wonder if anybody'll take a guess.

Two hints:

--the birth of Jesus Christ is not one of them.

--We are discussing European history only.

Of course, if you just want to give what you think the three most important dates are, that's fine with me.

Brad

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1215 - Signing of Magna Carta

1588 - The Spanish Armada is defeated by the English fleet

1776 Signing of the Declaration of Independence
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Is the declaration of independence a significant part of 'European' history though? Other than signifying the split between England and America...

Sorry just wondering...

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The signing of the Declaration of Independence, to my mind, would count, but that wasn't one of the dates my teacher said.

Sharon,
I think all of those should count but none of them are in my teacher's top three. Notice how I said they aren't in my top three. Yes, I'm stepping around the question.  

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The French Revolution?

The start of World War I?

I can't think of another one, and I'm pretty sure these aren't any of them.....but I guessed anyway!  
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Elizabeth,

One right.

But just to be nitpicky, I want the date.

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Well, of Elizabeth's two, I would say the French Revolution.  I think that was 1789.  And what about William the Conquerer's invasion of England in 1066?  My final guess will go to Marin Luther nailing his 95 Theses at the Castle of Wittenburg in 1517 (I'll admit I had to look up that date).

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What about the invention of the printing press????
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two down, one more to go

1. 1789
2. 1066
3.   ?

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I see a trend here......let's throw in the Battle of Waterloo for the last one (on second thought, that one probably isn't it....as I recall, the French, under Napoleon, got thoroughly trounced).

It seems to me that the 3 most important dates in European history, according to your teacher, are not European, but French.

William the Conquerer (aka William the [male B-word]) was from Normandy.

French Revolution..that one's pretty easy to figure.

Hmm....how about May 8, 1945. V-E Day.

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Hmmmmm, France? Hadn't considered that -- I suppose in a way you could argue that all three days have 'something' to do with France but not VE day. Hint: the last date happened before 1066.

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The fall of Rome?
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Elizabeth, that would be around 476 AD, the collapse of the political Western Roman Empire.

Other dates could be 1054 AD, the Great Schism between Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox.

Another important date to European history could be Constantine the Great's recognition of the Catholic church in 313 AD.

If these ain't it, how about a hint: Political, Religious, Scientific, Militarily, or Geographic/Geologic.
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Hmmm... NO CLUE  



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700 A.D., the invention of gunpowder?
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Isn't that from the Chinese Sharon?

334-323 B.C. -- Alexander the Great expands Greek influence

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Now according to my school, the Greeks and Romans fall under the category of the ancient world, correct Brad? Something related to Western history would be after that.. But then again, what does my school know, LOL

My guess would be something to do with Charlemagne.. His coronation in 800, or begining of his military campaign in 772. My only ideas at the moment.

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What about the "conversion" of Constantine?
Not sure about the date! Or the fall of Rome?
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When was this class Brad? 1100? Why should the three most important events have happened before 1066? Did nothing happen after that of any significance? What about the invention of electricity? What about the European Industrial Revolution in the Mid 1800's?
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Well, that's easy.  The day I was born, the day I was born... oh, and the day I was born.  

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In a way, you've helped me figure out why she chose those three dates -- I never really thought about it until everybody started throwing these different patterns in my face.  

Sharon,
Only the final date is pre-1066.

Dawn Treader,
Don't confuse or let your school confuse geographical periodizations with temporal ones. Both are vague and useless when any detail comes into play, but Sven may have a point on the poor quality of our current education system if they teach the Western World follows the Ancient World.

Everybody, well almost everybody, has given important dates and they all deserve to be counted but I now believe the reasoning is far more subtle.

"Men make their own history but they do not make it exactly as they choose."
--Karl Marx

1. 1789 -- The French Revolution led directly to the Reign of Terror and the rise of Napoleon.

2. 1066 -- William the Conqueror conquered England but thereby created the material and nationalistic conditions to fend off further invasions. It wasn't just the last invasion, it was the invasion that stopped the others.

3. The third? Et tu?
  

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Oh goodness....March 15, 44 BC? One of the most important dates in European history? Ok, I might be able to see that, other than the literary reference forever imbued in our minds by Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar".
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I'm from Europe, but history wasn't my best and remembering dates? Noooooooooway!

1600 battle of Nieuwpoort, Napoleon defeated?

1940 beginning World War II?
1945 end of World War II?

Oh dear what events did we have more... missed a few you know.

Ending of 80-year War? don't know the date, way back though

King William I shot? No no that's Dutch history

Separation of Belgium and Holland? some 150 years ago I think

Well I'm pooped, can't think of anything else

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The three most important dates are:

1. 1789
2. 1066
3. 44 BC

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Pshaw!
 
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