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I need votes ... most influential person of the millenium ...

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Skyfyre
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0 posted 10-11-1999 10:28 PM       View Profile for Skyfyre   Email Skyfyre   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfyre

I just watched a program on this subject, and was extremely annoyed to discover that some panel of "experts" had made Sir Issac Newton take second seat to Gutenberg, the inventor of the printing press.

I appreciate the power of the printed word, and the influence it has had on our society; however, I do not think I am going out on a limb by saying that the importance of the printing press is secondary to the understanding of the natural world (laws of motion, gravity, etc) and higher mathematics (invention of Calulus) that were only a few of the many gifts given to us by Issac Newton.

Anyway, that is only my not-so-humble opinion ... now I want to know what you think ... who was the single most influential person of this millenium ... or, if you have a hard time choosing, the top three ...?

It will be interesting to see where this leads ...

Nocht

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I'm sorry to say, that neither of those are the most influential. There is someone far greater. Someone who will never be surpassed by any time or any generation.

JESUS CHRIST

is there really any other choice?

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2 posted 10-12-1999 03:00 AM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

How did they define influential and what do they mean by 'our society'?

Just by reading the question however, I would say:

Christopher Columbus
Elizabeth I
and maybe
Chinghis Kahn

as people who certainly had a lot of impact on the world.

Brad
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What good are the natural laws or God without the ability to pass that knowledge down? Language is the most important and effective communication tool available to us and the written word is doubly important since it allows the accumulation of vast amounts of knowledge over the generations and back to antiquity. Without it, our scientists would have to rediscover the natural laws all over again, individually. Likewise, God would have to be retaught and relearned with each individual.

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4 posted 10-12-1999 07:01 AM       View Profile for Skyfyre   Email Skyfyre   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Skyfyre

Saxoness, I agree with you one hundred percent; however, the program I watched would never have included such a "fictitious" person ... unfortunately ...

Brad. I think all three of those that you mentioned were included in the 100; Kahn was 22, I think, and Columbus was in the top 10 ... the part of the program that I watched did not mention Elizabeth, but I only saw the top 33, so I'm sure she was in there somewhere ...

Dream, I agree with your sentiments ... but does that mean that you are agreeing that Gutenberg deserves the honor..? He did not invent language, after all ... and we could always WRITE down our thoughts, if not print them ...

Anyone else..?

Nocht
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Let's not forget the definition of millennium. We're talking a thousand years here - not two thousand - Ergo - Let's disqualify Jesus Christ on the grounds that he'd be too old - and go from there... ....still thinking..

[This message has been edited by Nan (edited 10-12-1999).]
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Vague questions only lead to vague answers (not you Nocht, the TV people).

For example - Nan, Jesus may not have been alive during the last 1,000 years, but He was still almost certainly the most influential figure of that era for most of the world.

I think it's also fairly well accepted that many, many discoveries are inevitable. That's why we see so many things discovered simultaneiously, by two (or more) people that had no contact. The Theory of Evolution is one prime example. And while I certainly don't discredit Einstien's genius, had he not discovered Relativity at the turn of the century, someone would have. All the facts (and questions) were there and it was simply inevitable. Should someone in this category of "it was just time" be considered? Oh, and Columbus would almost certainly fall into this category.

Nocht, I think Newton was almost without question the most brilliant human being in history. His contributions to knowlege are legendary. And, yes, I would probably give him the thumbs up over Gutenberg (though we all know we needed them both), simply because of respect for his genius.

I'm not sure, though, whether I would include any scientists or inventors in my own list. Partly because I wouldn't know where to start (there are so many!), and partly because I think most discoveries are inevitable (most, but not all), but largely because I think society is more greatly influenced by politics, religion and philosophy.

Who would I pick? Certainly Jesus, if we agreed his influence continued well past the century of his birth. Probably Thomas Jefferson, whose political philosophies have recreated much of our world. And, yea, Elizabeth I, for much the same reason as Jefferson. But there are so many others...

Oh, and Gutenberg really wasn't all that big a deal. Most of our literature is on the computer now any way...
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It's simple

Elvis Presley

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I would be interested to know where Hitler stood in this list...who said the influence had to be good? I feel he influenced a world's conscience!
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Top three

Ron
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Nan

and not necessarily in that order

[my serious answer comes later...]
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Well, as for Hitler, I'd put him one spot ahead of FDR, as FDR was the leader in charge of stopping the Axis powers from coming to world-wide power.

As for top Gutenberg vs. Sir Isaac Newton, I can see the point for either, I honestly think that Gutenberg is more important for the millenium. The further into the future we go however, the more Newton will gain on him. This millenium's two greatest achievements were the Industrial Revolution, and education. Afterall, without the printing press, future scientists, authors, speakers, and leaders might not have had the chance to learn what was necessary to become what they were, and other things would never have been found. Think of a world where there were no books, and Newton's laws don't seem to matter as much.
If you can't read and interpret simply knowledge like that, then the laws of physics mean nothing, and therefore, although the discoveries are important, they become non-influential.
Without Gutenberg, Newton's laws mean nothing to the common people.
Without Newton, Gutenberg still prints books, just not on Newton's laws.
As for Christ, he is one of the most influential people in history, but not the millenium. He's not even #1 in history. There are other religions with a more major following.
Hinduism I believe is number one.


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11 posted 10-23-1999 07:43 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Not too many have named people from this century, it seems.

Princess Diana and Mother Teresa (in that order I have to say)

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I know Jesus has the ability to be the most influential person in anyone’s life but only if you allow him the opportunity.

As far as who has influenced society, believe it or not, we all do to some degree—Just some more than others.

So be careful ---You do leave marks!!!
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One must first uncover where someone else's influence ended and originality begins. Was Newton a genius because he of his own thoughts or was he a genius because of the influence of those who came before him? If he wasn't influenced by whoever influenced him would he have been the person he was.....I don't know? So who should recieve the credit? Was Jesus the most influential person or were the people who wrote the bible? If no one had written about Jesus, would he still be remembered???? Who should get the credit for Christian influence???
I think it's very hard to find the true defining inspiration that directs someone into greatness, perhaps it's a cummulation brought into focus by a singular event or maybe a slow gradual development. Maybe the most influential person/people is society as a whole. Would the phone have been invented if there wasn't a society in need of such, would plumbling have been concieved if humans hadn't evolved into a creature with a need for such? Perhaps society as a whole has influenced all the great minds more than they have influenced us or perhaps it is a balanced scale? Is not creation out of need??? I don't know, just throwing out some ideas. If I have to get frugal with answers and pin-point more accurately influential people.....In my opinion the most influential people in the Millenium would have to be my parents, my brother and my friends. They have shaped me more than any book, computer, trinket or theory ever has. If all those named in the list never existed my life would be different but not those who have helped shape who I am. Yeah I know its a bias opinion.....but a little parental patronage never hurt
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14 posted 10-27-1999 06:51 AM       View Profile for cullin   Email cullin   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit cullin's Home Page   View IP for cullin

chuck jones and mel blanc
yep those are who i say it is!!!

cullin

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Although everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I am filled with sickness and disgustupon reading Princess Diana's name as a "top 100" influential person. She might have influenced some people (mainly after she fricking died) but she in no way influenced the entire world over history. I think that the most influential person would have to be older than Einstein. Therefor my vote would most likely, MOST LIKELY! go to:
Julius Caesar
or
Plutarch

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Hmmm -- how about Edison? Where does he fit into this? I am uncertain how you feel about it, but I enjoy electric lighting (which is only one of his many discoveries). That is, of course, if we are talking about inventions -- if we are judging based on ideas or theory, I would have to say that Sir Issac and Einstein would have to fight over the proverbial cake.

--Kess

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17 posted 10-30-1999 12:13 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

If so many people are naming her, she's obviously influenced them.

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*Elizabeth*

"Dwelt a maid belov'd and cherish'd by high and low,
But with autumn leaf she perish'd, long time ago..."

"Something sweet, something sort of grandish, sweeps my soul when thou art near..."

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Was I on that list.....LOL

Ah my choices:
Gandhi
Thomas Edison
and Einstein


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