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roxane
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0 posted 12-22-1999 11:19 PM       View Profile for roxane   Email roxane   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for roxane

this is a plea to all intelligent persons:  please don't sell out to the millennium this year.  everyone has had the millennium crammed down their throats since 12:00 am january 1, 1999.  have we even appreciated this year?  keep in mind also that everyone knows the millennium is 2001 and that 2000 is just a year with 3 zeros.  so why is there a market for millennium merchandise such as count down clocks, ornaments, shirts, hats, and a thousand jewelry dealers telling you this is definitely the year "to get her diamonds"???  the millennium has been sold out, and i won't mind if i never hear the word again.  i hope that i can get some support here, and that some people will celebrate the new year, not the millennium.
and one more thing, has it occurred to anyone that it's only the millennium for the christian calender?  the chinese follow a different calender, as do other religions, so why is the millennium so important?  well, in my opinion, it's not, and it's not even the real millennium anyways.  i ask that people stay out of the capitalist trap, and don't buy millennium merchandise.

p.s. i heard something like the calender was officially changed so that 2000 was really the millennium.  if anyone else has heard about this, please inform me.  i will be very upset if the history of time was changed so that various celebrations wouldn't be totally hollow and because the year 2001 wasn't as nice looking



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1 posted 12-23-1999 12:20 AM       View Profile for Sally S.   Email Sally S.   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sally S.

Well, I'm going to put my two cents worth in.  Remember now, you asked for it!   (before I begin,this isn't directed toward you. I have no ill feelings toward you, only on the topic. k? k.)

Tell me this...What is so wrong with a little excitement over the coming new year?  I for one, feel honored to be around at the "dawn of the millenium. My goodness!  To me, this is something I can share with my grandchildren, for they will have missed this. (They don't exist at the moment...many, many years from now)  
I believe that this is all what you make of it.  Why be so negative?  I mean, when you hear of someone still with us, born in say 1900...doesn't that excite you?  Don't you want to know what the world was like for them?  Wouldn't you want to talk with that person for hours and relive their experiences?? I'm going to be that person!!! (at the very least to my own family)
And yes, that is my hope..it is MY excitement.  I see nothing wrong with that.  I see nothing wrong with someone spending their money on a trinket to remind them of this momentous occasion.
Not to seem harsh here but, why is it that there's always someone lurking around the corner ready to pounce on someone's good intentions???  If we want to celebrate with friends, strangers, relatives and lovers, like this is the grandest New Year of our lives...why shouldn't we????
"Don't bring around a cloud...Don't rain on my parade!!!" (Love you Babs!!!)

Now, before I get the whole steamworks in reply...I don't know you and I too, have no right to judge. If someone wants to sit home and watch the world go by, more power to them.  I for one, want to be a part of history!!!     I see nothing wrong with that.  LOL!
Ok, enough ranting.  And please don't be offended.  
roxane
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2 posted 12-23-1999 01:02 AM       View Profile for roxane   Email roxane   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for roxane

to me, there is a huge difference between celebrating the new year, and selling it out.  sure, i plan to go out and have a good time, but what makes this year anything but the last year of this millennium?  and why does it have to become this huge materialistic thing?  and why does commercialism have to make sure that everything bought and sold?  i enjoy christmas also, but what's the point if we don't stop and think of what it really is?  i could say that the millennium is tomorrow, act like it means something to anyone else in the world, and tomorrow would just be tomorrow.   to me, there are more important things to worry about and celebrate than 2000.
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3 posted 12-23-1999 01:33 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I'm with Sally on this one. 'Course I can remember a time, say when I was a little younger and more prone to parties, when the second Tuesday of the month was a good enough reason to celebrate. If we had recovered from the first Tuesday, of course...

I think any time we can find an excuse to hug people and laugh we should go for it.

I do understand, I think, your concern over the commercialization of this New Year's Eve. Unfortunately, that's true of every holiday or occasion, and the bigger the holiday the more crass the commercialization. Few of us like it (even those doing the selling, I suspect), but I refuse to allow it to spoil Christmas, Easter, or even this once-in-a-lifetime New Year's Eve. Commercialization is hard to avoid. I don't find it at all difficult, though, to ignore.

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4 posted 12-23-1999 10:03 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Well, I'm reading Roxane's comment as getting all excited over the word millenium as being the beginning of the new millenium in 2000 - which of course, if everyone has enough fingers and toes, and see that anything ending in zero is the "end" of a sequence, not the beginning.  Life did not begin on day zero, it began on day one.  I'm with her, we should be excited that the new millenium will begin at the ending of 12/31/2000!  Of course, I just had a big argument with my husband, so there will always be two opinions.
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5 posted 12-23-1999 10:29 AM       View Profile for jbouder   Email jbouder   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for jbouder

I can't believe what I'm hearing!  Think of the marketing nightmare of Y2K+1 !!!  LOL.  Its a money thing, of course, Roxanne as you aptly pointed out.  Next year, of course, the money-minded will be marketing the 2001 REAL millennium celebration ... MARK THE WORDS OF JIM THE PROPHET THIS, THE 23RD DAY OF DECEMBER, C.E. 1999!!!

LOL again.
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6 posted 12-23-1999 12:28 PM       View Profile for roxane   Email roxane   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for roxane

i think that some people are misunderstanding my point here. i don't see anything wrong with going out anf having a good time, but i don't think that we need to turn every holiday into some sold out event.  it distresses me, because it's just another thing in the long list of things that are becoming too commercial.  it's like going to the mall, and supporting some big name store, adding to the almost monopoly that it has.  the millennium is not this year, so why WHY do this?  what about last night with the winter solstice (sp?) ?  that was a once in a lifetime event, was it not?  how many people bought a shirt that was counting down the minutes to that?  no one.  it also upsets me that there is this horrible horrible will smith song "willennium".  if there wasn't such a market for millennium goods, we wouldn't have this problem.  
so, my point is CELEBRATE, DON'T SELL OUT!


[This message has been edited by roxane (edited 12-23-1999).]
Brad
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7 posted 12-23-1999 01:20 PM       View Profile for Brad   Email Brad   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Brad

I'm with roxane. Considering that I have to spend the New Year's eve with the in-laws what are you guys worried about?  What do you guys want to buy? What do you guys want to sell?

Brad
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8 posted 12-25-1999 07:32 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

My God...try living in New Zealand...

Millenium this, millenium that...we're the first...blah blah blah...

poetFemmeFatale
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9 posted 12-28-1999 03:35 PM       View Profile for poetFemmeFatale   Email poetFemmeFatale   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for poetFemmeFatale

Well, it's no secret that many events are polluted into money-making affairs...That's the world we live in today.  I think it's funny that many of the huge events planned for this New Year have been cancelled due to no one willing to pay the outrageously high ticket prices they were asking!  That's what they get for being so greedy!!  

As for why I think this particular New Year is such a big deal to everyone...even though it's been "confused" with the REAL millennium, as you said, is the simple "idea" of the numbers changing....from all 9's to 0's.....that excites alot of people....and all the Y2K fuss over it.  It's like when you look at the odometer on your car, and it rolls over to a new # you kind of get excited!  LOL     That's what turns most people on about 2000 I think.  It's not the official millennium year, however, it is the official "rolling of the 0's"......hehe  All the 9's are behind us forever.  I too, think it's cool to know someone from say the 1800's....My great-grandmother was born in 1898, and I think that's the coolest!  She passed away not too long ago.  

So in a way, I agree with you...In a way, I think it's ok to be a bit excited!  I haven't spent alot of $ on the whole idea....just some wine and confetti !     Hope you have a happy one yourself !  
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10 posted 01-01-2000 04:13 PM       View Profile for Ladycat   Email Ladycat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ladycat's Home Page   View IP for Ladycat

You know what the funniest thing is though, right?  Now, that the parties are over and nothing serious happened with the whole Y2K thing people are made that they spent soooo much money over this and all that bottled water that they have stocked up is just going to have to sit there for a major flood.  For all of you that went on with life, then good deal.  I hope that you got all of your partying in for the New Year.  Time to get back to work!
Love,
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11 posted 01-01-2000 10:25 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

All I have been hearing for months and especially now is that 2000 is the 21st century. Why are they saying that? This is still the 20th century. Until next year. Don't they realize that? I know it is exciting and all going into the year 2000, but it is still the last year of the 20th.
It does get a bit annoying. Well, now that I have vented, let me take this opportunity to wish you all a very wonderful New Year!

 Denise

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12 posted 01-02-2000 01:26 AM       View Profile for PhaerieChild   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for PhaerieChild

Well I for one always thought that the Y2K thing was one gigantic hoax perpetrated on the world by governments and big business. With all the money they count on to keep this and other countries going they had to think of something. I didn't do anything about it. I didn't go buy water or stock up on food. On New Year's Eve I sat and watched both computers (mine and my husband's) roll over just fine into the year 2000 without even a hiccup. And his is a dinosaur and not compliant either lol. I think the partying was great for those who so wish to indulge but that happens every year anyway. The only difference is that this year was a milestone of sorts. Anyway that's all I gotta say for now...can you tell I'm tired? G'nite all.

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13 posted 01-02-2000 02:09 AM       View Profile for patchoulipumpkin   Email patchoulipumpkin   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for patchoulipumpkin

Good god man, hang on to a railing for balance. I appreciate your ill feelings for the shallowness, and vacuity of capitalism (the other day i was looking at the wedding anniversary gift list and remarked on how they had gifts set out for each year that one was supposed to buy, and yes at weddings too 90% of the people go through with all of its traditions i.e. something blue, and have no idea what it is about) But, and its a big one, so i'll use two t's BUTT its like christmas, sure its christian, but its become commercialised through the wazoo, so that Santa is competing with Jesus for a place in the manger.  I don't know, i think its exciting, why not make a spectacle out of it, one doesn't necessarily have to sell out to enjoy the fireworks and all the fun of it. To me, it was just like a normal new year's with the added charge of the millenium for a mixer.  In other words, it was like having a little whiskey ontop of the champagne.  Yes the millenium is overused, and yes the word Y2K is outplayed, yes its all true, when i was asked by someone how i would sum up 1999 in one word i said-HYPE.  Its just hype, and it doesn't matter, did you enjoy the fireworks, i sure as hell did, they were phenomenal.  And to me it is exciting that it is the beginning of a new century, the millenium part is interesting too, although somewhat too big picture-century is mindblowing on its own.  So to answer your question do you have support in your cynicism, in your STAND against the millenium, i gotta pass.  But agree it is overdone, and the headlines on Monday's papers should read, ANTICLIMAX ANYONE?!.  But hell, at very least you gotta admit its an exciting time to be alive....
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14 posted 01-02-2000 11:50 AM       View Profile for Tara Simms   Email Tara Simms   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Tara Simms's Home Page   View IP for Tara Simms

Like someone else said, 0 marks the end of something.  I think we're all celebrating the end of the century.  At a previous job, we all celebrated 0 birthdays (20, 30, etc) by decorating the person's house.  On my 20th birthday, I was rather melancholy "another decade come and gone".  Same thing with 2000. It's interesting to look back at how far we've come in the past 100 years, in the past 1000 years.  

Even when I was a kid, I looked forward to 2000.  When I was 12, I distinctly remember figuring up how old I would be when 2000 came.  Not that I had any idea what the heck the Millennium was or what Y2K was, but just the general excitement at watching the clock roll forward, so to speak.

Pff, I thought I was the only one who did a little "hurrah" when my odometer rolled over.  



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How charged with punishments the scroll;
I am the master of my fate:
I am the captain of my soul.
--W.E. Henley


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15 posted 01-02-2000 12:06 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I agree, Tara, '0' does mark the end, and '1' will be the actual beginning of the next millennium. Very exciting, though, changing from the '19's' to the '20's'! And it was very exciting watching the celebrations all around the world as each entered the New Year! I think they should do that every year!

 Denise

 
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