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serenity blaze
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25 posted 07-09-2000 12:50 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Nice save, Christopher...
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26 posted 07-09-2000 01:08 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

CHRISTOPHER!!!!

hehe.... ROFL....    

I can't stop laughing... !!!

BRAVO



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27 posted 07-09-2000 03:00 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

EXCUSE ME DeVINE???

SUCKING-UP???

Why am I sucking up??  Just because I'm stating my opinion???

This is how I feel. . . you know, I think that most men don't really say things like I said because they're always looked upon as being weak or just "sucking up". . . why do I have to be looked upon in this way just because I admire and respect women??

If I admire and respect a man (btw, there are plenty of men who I admire and respect also. . .) does it mean that I'm weak too?  Does it mean that I'm strange?  If I care about my fellow man, does that mean that I'm wrong?  

You know, women want our love and respect, but when men like me give it, we're looked upon as men that can't be taken seriously. . . just because we're not like most men. . . just because we don't think that women are good for only two things. . . just because we're "Too good to be true". . . and because of this, we're not taken seriously and we're shunned because "how can we possibly care about women?"  Men aren't supposed to care about women???  

You know, it's the old, "I really want to meet a nice guy" thing. . . but when one does come along. . . he's shunned because he's not her type. . . or because she's so used to being treated like garbage because that's what she's been treated like her whole life. . . so to be loved and respected for who she is and to be treated like a woman should be treated is new to her. . . and because she doesn't think that she deserves it, she goes right back to what she knows (being treated like garbage) and loses the very thing that she wanted just because she didn't know that she had it. . .

Sorry, I'm just tired of being told that I HAVE to feel one way about men and another way about women when that's just NOT who I AM!!!

And I'm tired of not being taken seriously. . . just because other men do it doens't mean that I'm the same way. . . or for that matter, any man who is like I am. . . sensitive and caring. . . a man to whom romance and love mean a lot. . . a man who can be strong and yet be sensitive and caring. . . who balances both. . . why can't that be me??

Why won't you see that this is who I am???!!!  And that there are plenty of other men who are like me?  

OK, stepping down off the box. . . thank you for your time. . .

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That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl





[This message has been edited by Sven (edited 07-09-2000).]
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28 posted 07-09-2000 03:04 PM       View Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Marina

Sven that was very nicely put.  Well said , my friend.

THANK YOU!!!!!!

Marina
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And btw, Chris. . .

Who's the bigger coward???  

LOL

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That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

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30 posted 07-09-2000 03:12 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Oh dear, I can't see the tissues for laughing so much...ROFL

HUGS
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Sven, I thought you knew me better than that! Guess I was wrong.

And I thought you would know I KNEW you were stating your true feelings. I was 'egging' Chris on with this....
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32 posted 07-09-2000 05:13 PM       View Profile for LoveBug   Email LoveBug   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for LoveBug

Gosh, where's all the Svens in the world???  I know where all the Chris' are!

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -Oscar Wilde
"The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief" -Shakespea


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33 posted 07-09-2000 05:31 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

I hope this works... have tried to post this twice now... hehe... now I have to remember what I said.. geez.. silly computers...

ok...

Sven-
I wanted to put a comment here that I thought what you wrote about women was lovely and showed the kind of respect, dignity, and adoration which every woman would LOVE to have from a man. Sharon was just playing around and goosing Chris a little...

Please know that you ARE taken seriously and that you are respected greatly for your wonderful, special comments. I truly hope you have found or will find a woman who appreciates the depth of your emotion and respects you for your heart.

ok.. gonna push "submit reply" again and hopefully this will go through
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34 posted 07-09-2000 05:52 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Sven, you don't want a piece of me!  

If you want my honest, serious opinion, you might not want to start saying things like "women want..." and "men do..."

Sven said:
quote:
You know, women want our love and respect, but when men like me give it, we're looked upon as men that can't be taken seriously. . . just because we're not like most men. . . just because we don't think that women are good for only two things. . . just because we're "Too good to be true". . . and because of this, we're not taken seriously and we're shunned because "how can we possibly care about women?"  Men aren't supposed to care about women???  


And what is a "man like you," Sven? You are a unique person. How can you even categorize yourself? Each person on this world has something that makes them who they are. You are different from me, as I am from Jeffery, as he is from Sharon as she is from Doreen, etc., etc. I think one of the most dangerous thing is to blithely categorize anyone, much less yourself. Be who you are, and don't worry about what other people are like.

Because, I have found that pretty much everything you say here is completely untrue. I think it's not unrealistic to say that people want love and respect. Honest love and respect. But, being so different one to the next, what that love and respect entails is just as diverse. How I see a relationship is almost certainly different in at least a small part from the way you view it. Of course that doesn't mean one way is right or wrong, just different. I've said it before, I'll say it again, the world would be a boring place were everyone the same!

BUT I think that a common factor I've seen is that people do want, need, love. Some people view it in different ways. Everyone loves differently. I know I at least do not view a man who cares, is open and honest with anything less than respect. I think that anyone who achieves this is to be respected. It's hard sometimes to go beyond yourself and to feel for another person. If that is how you feel, I will take you seriously.

I don't segregate women into a category separate from men. "They" are just as capable of doing the same things as men, just as well or better. Heck, considering some of the ladies I've known, I even have a hard time accepting the fact of physiological differences!!!

Now let me clarify this, before anyone misunderstands. Here, I am am talking about ability, LOL, and what women are "good for." I love the difference between men and women! If it weren't for women... well, I'd probably have kept myself out of trouble a lot more in life, but that's neither here nor there! ;o) But I view the differences in much the same mind as I view a difference between you and I. I do my best not to see it as a "gender" difference. Obviously that difference is there! But when viewed as people women are in the same boat as men in my book.

As to this post... well, that's just me. I had a ready answer before I even posted the statement! (Contrary to popular belief, I am not a fool!!!  ) In reality, I expected a little more vehemence in response! And I'm glad to see that most people took it in the humorous manner it was intended to be. Those that do know me, know this is not my viewpoint! This is another shining example of me pushing people's buttons. I love to "mess" with people! I think that it does good to get their blood heated up every once in a while, get that ol' grey matter working!

In closing, Sven, I can understand a little where you're coming from, but unless your side of the world is completely different from mine I don't think this is true. For the rest of you who put up with me (yet again) thank you for your kind hearts and funny comments!

Chris





[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 07-09-2000).]
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35 posted 07-09-2000 05:59 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

And Angel... I'm still shivering at that thought! *brrrrr*
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36 posted 07-09-2000 06:10 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Chris - Sweetheart:...You got what you asked for: a reaction to your statement and how we read that same statement, yep, I laughed, how could I not?...

You are right though, each of us has different expectations and will also react and give differently to EACH relationship...

Maybe I should turn the question round and ask why you guys think you have more than 2Ĺ good things to offer?...LOL

Grinning here...oooops

HUSG
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37 posted 07-09-2000 06:18 PM       View Profile for Craig   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Craig

Way to go Sven!!

EXCUSE ME DeVINE???

*Iím sure youíre a winner with the girls talking to them like this, I mean UPPERCASE thatís tantamount to shouting!!!

SUCKING-UP???

*Yeah great joke she cracked there. What! You didnít get it! Well why not do the gentlemanly thing and drop her a personal message via e-mail or ICQ.


Why am I sucking up?? Just because I'm stating my opinion???
This is how I feel. . . you know, I think that most men don't really say things like I said because they're always looked upon as being weak or just "sucking up". . . why do I have to be looked upon in this way just because I admire and respect women??

*Then again you could post a flaming reply on a public forum, always a sure-fire way to win the women over. Throw in reference about admiration and respect for women, just in case she forgets how nice you are.

If I admire and respect a man (btw, there are plenty of men who I admire and respect also. . .) does it mean that I'm weak too? Does it mean that I'm strange? If I care about my fellow man, does that mean that I'm wrong?

*You wrong! The very thought!

You know, women want our love and respect, but when men like me give it, we're looked upon as men that can't be taken seriously. . . just because we're not like most men. . . just because we don't think that women are good for only two things. . . just because we're "Too good to be true"

*You can say that again

. . . and because of this, we're not taken seriously and we're shunned because "how can we possibly care about women?" Men aren't supposed to care about women???

*You tell her Sven, show her how much you care and respect her feelings.

You know, it's the old, "I really want to meet a nice guy" thing. . . but when one does come along. . . he's shunned because he's not her type. . . or because she's so used to being treated like garbage because that's what she's been treated like her whole life. . . so to be loved and respected for who she is and to be treated like a woman should be treated is new to her. . . and because she doesn't think that she deserves it, she goes right back to what she knows (being treated like garbage) and loses the very thing that she wanted just because she didn't know that she had it. . .
Sorry, I'm just tired of being told that I HAVE to feel one way about men and another way about women when that's just NOT who I AM!!!

*Slight point of order, my memory isnít what it was but I canít remember her saying any of those things.

And I'm tired of not being taken seriously. . .

*You mean people donít take you seriously! You should let them know how caring you are.

just because other men do it doens't mean that I'm the same way. . . or for that matter, any man who is like I am. . . sensitive and caring. . . a man to whom romance and love mean a lot. . . a man who can be strong and yet be sensitive and caring. . . who balances both. . . why can't that be me??
Why won't you see that this is who I am???!!! And that there are plenty of other men who are like me?

*Thatís more like it! You canít show a lady how much of gentleman you are unless you include it in a slamming reply, oxymoron anybody? Caring/flaming

OK, stepping down off the box. . . thank you for your time. . .

* Ditto



Yes, I admit your general rule. That every poet is a fool:
But I myself may serve to show it. That every fool is not a poet.



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ROFLMAO

Way to go Craig!!! I 'bout near fell out of my seat!!! See what I mean? EVERYONE'S different!

Kudos m'man!

Chris
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Christopher, you are one sweet, darling instigator, with a wonderfully honest character and a GREAT sense of humor.. that's what i love about you...

whoa!!! I used the "L" word... geesh... what's gotten into me... hehe

Ok, everybody, play nice, write some great poetry, and let's discover our differences!!!

WOOHOO!

"If you're robbing a bank and your pants suddenly fall down, I think it's okay to laugh and to let the hostages laugh too, because, come on, life is funny"- Deep Thoughts from Jack Handy

Whatever you do, don't bring Yoko to band practice.


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Acutal 911 call:

Chris: Help, help, we have an emergency!

911: Calm down sir, tell us what's wrong.

Chris: It's Doreen!

911: Yes...

Chris: She... she... she...

911: calm down sir, it's ok, tell us what's wrong with Doreen.

Chris: She, she's really sick I think!

911: You think? What's wrong?

Chris: She... she said she...

911: Sir, are you ok yourself?

Chris: I'm not sure... Doreen.

911: Take a deep breath sir.

Chris: She said the "l" word!

911: The "l" word?

Chris: Love!

911: We'll be there as soon as we can!
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41 posted 07-09-2000 06:52 PM       View Profile for doreen peri   Email doreen peri   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for doreen peri

ARGHHHHHHH.....

Christopher.... shhhhhhhhh

geez *blush*
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42 posted 07-09-2000 07:02 PM       View Profile for Jamie   Email Jamie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Jamie's Home Page   View IP for Jamie

I have had great fun reading all this.
I am only sorry that it is over.
Although I am sure there are those who are waiting to spring a good joke on Christopher for this.
Thanks for the laughs.
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43 posted 07-09-2000 09:04 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Thank you so much, Christopher...for a full day of amusement...and now I grant you this award:

  "The Golden Paddle"  complete with rubber gloves, ready to stir up ****....

Me hat's off to ya!  Much impressed.  I do not think you were even trying....

ROFLMAO!!!
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ROTFLMAO Again...back
to read and see if
anyone was in hot water.

This was great!!
Congrats for eveyone being
so sweet and cool!  

MagnoliaBlue


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Your Lady June~
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45 posted 07-09-2000 11:06 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Oh, dear! Ok..everyone kiss and make up!! I volunteer to be the first to be kissed!!        
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OOOOOOOOOOH, Chris and Sharon, sittin in a tree, K-I-S-S-I-N-G!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHHA!!!!!!!!  

"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." -Oscar Wilde
"The robbed that smiles steals something from the thief" -Shakespea
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47 posted 07-10-2000 12:37 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I would be very cautious of sitting in a tree with Chris kissing or not! I'd be afraid we'd fall out from laughing at each other!  
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First. . . I would like to apologize to PoetdeVine. . .  my response was not meant as a "slam" or as an "attack". . . end.

Second, I had a big reply prepared to those who would think that I'm not who I appear to be. . . but those that know me know how I feel and who I am. . . and for me, that's enough. . .

Thank you. . .

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That which gives light must endure burning
--Victor Frankl

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Oh man, what have I missed here? LOL

Sven we know you're serious! And that's a wonderful way to be. You are who you are!
But m'dear, this was a joke!

Chris was just being funny...and that's how we all (well almost all) took it!

We know how Chris is...and you see it's not the first thing that came to everyone's mind.
(geez, our minds are in the gutter)  

Chris I had a good laugh! You just love to stir up the...
 
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