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Severn
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0 posted 12-04-2000 07:24 AM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

I don't like people who lie to me.

You travel on a journey with someone...then they turn around and go a different path. You are left bewildered and with no understanding.

And just because they have left that road - it is ok for them to lie.

Sometimes it can be an omission of the truth. That, in certain circumstances, is also a lie.

Isn't that an interesting facet of human nature?

'I owe you nothing' is the justification we all hear at some point I guess.

I just had to say that guys.

Know the feeling?




The wind shifts like this:
Like a human without illusions...
This is how the wind shifts:
Like a human, heavy and heavy,
Who does not care.

W.S


[This message has been edited by Severn (edited 12-04-2000).]
Dark Angel
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1 posted 12-04-2000 07:53 AM       View Profile for Dark Angel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dark Angel

" I owe you nothing"
yes I've heard that before, so many times.
It's used for the easy way out of telling the truth syndrome I believe.

Yes I know the feeling hon
*hugs*

Maree

"If my words could blanket the skies
and fill every corner and crevice of
this earth, still this won't be enough"
"Maree Russo"


[This message has been edited by Dark Angel (edited 12-04-2000).]
Poertree
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2 posted 12-04-2000 08:04 AM       View Profile for Poertree   Email Poertree   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poertree

LK

At least in part you are talking about a breach of trust.  Quite frequently this precedes and provokes the ending of a relationship.

Sometimes though i guess in a relationship that has survived for a while and where perhaps one partner simply walks away from the other the one who is left may find it difficult to accept the end, or to eradicate all the old feelings.

When this happens, one sure way of eroding or extinguishing those feelings is for the partner who has walked to subsequently behave in a way that breaches trust.  This may even act in a kind of retrospective way, making the other see past behaviour in a different light and finally opening his/her eyes to the true character of the former loved one.

Whether it occurs within or subsequent to a relationship a breach of trust is a sure fire way of ending not only a romantic relationship but also, sadly, the possibility of future friendship.

i know it's not quite on the subject of your thread Kamla, but i felt i just had to say that...

take care

SP
Alicat
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3 posted 12-04-2000 10:36 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

I have to deal with lies everyday. It's called work.
See, I work at Hastings, which is a retail chain selling books, music, movies, software and various sundries. Well, the magazine department falls in my work area. While on shift, I routinely patrol there, pulling adult magazines that have been taken out of their protective slips. Often, I'll see someone 'browsing', so I'll point to our little sign which says "We ask you not to remove magazines from their green bags.", verbally state this, then wait for the reply, which invariably is, 'I didn't take it out the bag...it was already there like this.' I love hearing that when I've gone through magazines and looped back after about 5 minutes to find some guy reading another adult magazine when he thought I wouldn't be around. Go fig.

Now, as for relationships or friendships, when lied to, I put the offending person on a mental list. If I see this behavior becoming a pattern, I write them off. For gross offenses, they are Personae Non Gratia. I make it a point to inform them of this and why, then I go about my way. I just don't have the time to bother with people like that.
Dopey Dope
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4 posted 12-04-2000 03:41 PM       View Profile for Dopey Dope   Email Dopey Dope   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Dopey Dope

Yea I know how it is to be lied to....a little more than i'd like. It's all so bleak! i try and try to get the communication to be blunt and clear, but it seems not everybody is like me in that aspect. It's something i'm just going to have to deal with.............



I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust.

I hate your socks. I'd like to burn them!

Local Rebel
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5 posted 12-04-2000 04:02 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

well... personally...

at this point in my life I'd prefer to say 'I don't like it when people lie to me' opposed to 'I don't like people who lie to me'.

I am not a perfect person and I've determined I'll have a very lonely life if my aim is to have perfect friends in it...

I'm always amazed at the 'Christians' I've met who would never forgive anyone anything in spite of the 70 times 7 admonition...

I think there are some limits to forgiveness and self esteem issues we have to face... none of us can be a door mat..  but I think it's important to let people off the hook most of the time..

But, yes, I know how you feel Severn... no-one likes to be lied to

Hate is a dead thing. Who of you would be a tomb? -Kahlil Gibran

Christopher
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6 posted 12-05-2000 04:45 PM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

Local Rebel - you said it very well.

And I've found that there are many times when what we call lies are really a change of heart or mind. I know I myself have said something, which I believed at the time, only to change my mind later and feel differently. Did I lie? No, instead, I grew, I changed... a wholly acceptable and normal human characteristic.

And just as LR said - to judge the whole on a part probably leaves you with a greater loss than were you to accept and realize that we're all human, we all make mistakes and none of us can see what will happen five minutes from now, much less farther in the future. I think one of the most valuable lessons of the Bible, which I honestly TRY to achieve parity with, is that of "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone." followed by "Judge not lest ye be judged."

I know I'm not without sin, so I'll hold off on the throwing as much as possible and let the Floridian courts do the judging.

C
Severn
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7 posted 12-05-2000 08:01 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Thanks everyone - for your comments.

P - thankyou...you know what I think already. (L)(K) bat

You know what C?
My emphasis here was really on the omission of the truth.

Also, don't you find that when someone repeatedly changes their mind it really hurts - to say the least.

Shrug.

But then perhaps you haven't experienced that before eh?

K
Alicat
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8 posted 12-06-2000 06:19 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Locked by request from Severn.

Alicat
 
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