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White Wolf
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0 posted 2001-01-05 03:39 AM


I saw a question in here where someone asked,"What's wrong with Valentine's Day?".  Well let me tell you that there is definately soemthing wrong with it.  In fact it is so wrong that I hate Valentine's Day.  My reason is simple.  Why make a big deal expressing our love to that special someone, only one day a year.  If you are going to make a big deal about it on that day then you should make a big deal about it every day of the year otherwise it isn't really love.  Some say it is just a day that everyone recognizes as the day for this kind of thing, but let me ask you this.  What makes that day more special than any other day in the year?  Nothing.  That is what I thought.  I lost one of my ex girlfriends to this reason.  I always assumed that she saw that I love her and would make a big deal about it on Valentine's Day.  I thought she would see that all the small things that I did.  Love is something to be cherished every day, every hour, every second of every year.  If you only make a big deal about it a few times a year, what of all of the other days in the year.

I am sorry about this post but it may be that it is just my foul mood that I am in.  But it is what I believe.

The White Wolf

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Nan
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1 posted 2001-01-05 06:58 AM


That someone would be I


You're talking to a Passionate group here. You're addressing this point to thousands of romantics who totally believe in expressing themselves and their passionate feelings - be they love, anger, love, frustration, love, infatuation, or love - every day of the year.

There is NO holiday that is intended to confine its celebration to that specified 24-hour period.  Holidays serve only as reminders to think about and celebrate those things we do every day of our lives.  Let us never "assume" that the ones we love have ever heard it enough... May we tell them each and every day... several times...

Oh.. and HAPPY VALENTINE's Day







[This message has been edited by Nan (edited 01-06-2001).]

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2 posted 2001-01-05 07:43 AM


I know I can't hear it enough...and I still have trouble believing it even then...

I'm a woman who needs lots and lots of....hmmm...reassurance?

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3 posted 2001-01-05 11:06 AM


I am divided on this topic. What you say about valentine's day could also be said about every other holliday, but that dose not mean we should get rid of our hollidays.
But i belive valentines day can be crule. Comeing from some one that has maneged not to have a date on this day since i was in high school it can be a crule day. It makes some feel vary left out, and I also think the retale world tends to over do it.



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4 posted 2001-01-05 04:30 PM


Well, I think that you are right that everyday is special and should be special. I don't think the day was meant to take away from our celebration of love everyday but as a tribute instead. This special day is our way of saying that, the special love that happens between two people is worthy of its own star, its own neon sign, its very own day. Not to say that it should be shown only on that day, but as a sign post and reminder of how special it is to the lovers of the world.
Maybe also as a reminder to those people not in love that love is out there, everywhere, if you want it.


Ok, I want it.  
I'm not hearing anybody....

I've got whip cream.....

Parker

White Wolf
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5 posted 2001-01-05 04:52 PM


I guess I was just venting my frustrations that people make Valentine's Day to be the only day in the year that they make a big deal about love.  Don't get me wrong though.  I think it is great to have a day to honor the one that we love, I just think the world would be much better if we treated everyday as special.  I see too many unhappy couples out there.  It is sort of disheartening.  I like to see people happy and very much in love.  The divorce rate is way too high and the number of broken hearts is even higher.  I guess it just comes down to communication.  There isn't enough of it going around and yes, I am guilty of it too.  I guess I am also venting my frustrations in that I cannot find a female that understand that I am a high maintenance type of guy.  I grew up in a family that very little love was expressed.  I need that.  I need to know that someone loves me and won't abandon me.  I am strange, I know but that still doesn't change what I need.  I won't quit looking but it just get hard at times.  I guess that I am just slightly depressed, saw an opportunity to vent and took it.


The White Wolf

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6 posted 2001-01-05 05:30 PM


"Did you forget something yesterday?" she petulantly asked.

"Uh, I don't think so," he said, running a quick checklist through his head.

"It was Valentine's Day."

"Oh, that," he sighed. "I didn't forget. I said I loved you 8.7 times yesterday, kissed you 12.8 times, and hugged you four."

"You do that every day."

"That's because I love you every day."

"Oh," she said, dropping to silence for several long seconds. "I love you, too."

"We don't need some crass, overly commercialized Holiday to show our love, Babe. Every day is Valentine's Day for us."

"You forgot, didn't you?"

"It was just one more very special day in a long string of special days, Babe. They're all special when I'm with you."

"You forgot 'cause you don't love me any more."

"Of course, I love you. Don't I say it, and show it, a hundred times every day?"

"But you didn't get me anything?"

"Sweets, our life together is based on love, not on expensive gifts."

"…not even a card," she whispered.

"I could give you a thousand cards and it wouldn't mean I loved you any more…"

"…or a simple flower," she pouted.

"A garden brimming with roses couldn't express how I feel about you…"

"…or a poem to tell me how you feel," she sniffled.

"There aren't enough words in any language to proclaim how happy you make me."

"That's okay," she said softly, turning away. "I understand."

"You know I love you," he said.

"You just forgot…"

serenity blaze
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7 posted 2001-01-05 05:44 PM


Ron? I am now convinced you guys are hiding there behind the glass...as always, you said it best....
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8 posted 2001-01-05 08:38 PM




"Love"...bah humbug!!!!

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9 posted 2001-01-05 08:47 PM


Amen brotha!



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White Wolf
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10 posted 2001-01-06 03:50 AM


Ron, you just inspired a question.  In general I have noticed that Valentine's Day is a day devoted to females.  Do us males have a special day or is it implied that we are the only ones that need to show that we love?

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11 posted 2001-01-06 06:20 AM


WW [with tongue in cheek]...basketball, football...baseball...and you in control of the remote...
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12 posted 2001-01-06 08:04 AM


Men want to hear it too??? No Problem... None whatsoever!!!  I'll send him roses if it makes him happy... pamper his every whim... and even write him a poem... Easy beans..!!
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13 posted 2001-01-06 08:42 PM


In Japan and Korea, they have two separate days for one Valentine's Day. Valentine's Day is for women -- the man should buy something for that special lady -- and White Day when the reverse is true.

White Day comes first -- a chance for us blokes to remember the other day methinks.

Then of course there is Black Day a month after Valentine's Day. This is for those who do not have that special someone. You're supposed to go out and eat Chajangmyon -- a kind of beef stew with noodles (it's good).

Before I met my wife, I was quite fond of Black Day.

Brad

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14 posted 2001-01-06 09:39 PM


DEVOTED TO FEMALES?  poor baby...not with this lady...THIS IS ABOUT LOVE, and it works both ways...and I treat MY LOVE, lovely....even when I'm not too happy with... (that's right--grin--note the subtle evasion of pronoun)
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15 posted 2001-01-07 02:33 AM


Reading this with interest. I can understand how you might think it's devoted to females...big red hearts, teddy bears, ads with things like 'On V day, give her HER heart's desire' and other similar stereotypical mush.

Take the day and make it your own. Stuff the world and commericalism - utilise what's on offer your own way. Originality and all - it works I think.

My guy and I are going out to dinner. That's it. We are going out - doing something we could do any old time...and maybe there will be a small present in there somewhere - but it isn't required...

K


White Wolf
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16 posted 2001-01-08 03:58 AM


Agian, don't get me wrong but I do spoil the woman in my life(when I have one) on Valentine's Day.  I guess it is just that I am tired of stereotypes in general.  I love to recieve little things, a note or a poem.  If they really want my heart, find me a blue rose.  I had a rose bush with blue roses when I was younger.  My step brother would always complain cause I would always bring them into our room and dry them out.  Oh well.  I don't know what my problem is but this thread has actually helped me.  Thank you all that have reponded and to those of you that will.


The White Wolf

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17 posted 2001-01-08 08:00 PM


In 1998 after 55 years of marriage, my wifes father passed away on Valentines day. He treated his loving wife like a queen every day and took care of her like a trooper (she suffered from Alshiemers) he remembered her pills and appointments, took her to church every day, treated her to restaurants several times a week and did the cooking and laundry (even baking from her recipes).
She spent the next year in a nursing home, visited daily by 5 of her 6 children ( a son was 2000 miles away and could not be there but called regularly).
She died on Valentines day 1999, one year to the day.
He always gave her a dozen red roses on that day without fail. I remember he always called her 'mommy' when talking about her to anyone, and he always called her 'baby', when talking to her.

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18 posted 2001-01-09 05:11 AM


Ah, Valentines day!

If there's one day of the year that scares the hell out of me....

Hm.  It would either be Valentines Day, or else April Fools Day.  Let's just say that I was not a very liked person in school.  On top of this, when I was in middle school, some girl I didn't even know, gave me a valentine in front of everybody.  This got quite the laugh.  It also resulted in me having a rather large amount of trepidation on my part, whenever Valentines Day rolled around, as I feared the same experience.  

Don't get me wrong, I like girls and all, but I feel that stuff like valentines should be more personal, so as not to create embarrassment.

I agree with you though, White Wolf.  I couldn't help but laugh when on one Valentines day, in band class, the teacher came in and said that it was just gross in the hallways.  They were completely lined with couples making out.  I think this is a PRIMARY example of the point you've made.  

White Wolf
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19 posted 2001-01-15 06:03 AM


Fractal- That is a point that I forgot about but yes it very much relates and is apart of it.  Thanx for the addition.


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20 posted 2001-01-15 11:17 PM


I have a husband that is not controlled by a calandar. He tells me he loves me whenever he feels moved to do so which is many times a day. His idea of a gift is running into the house to drag me out to see a beautiful sunset or just a cloud that looks like cupid. Valentine, anniversary, or birthdays he will say "I love you today just as I did yesterday." Believe me, he means it. No, special days are for some to buy gifts and keep Halmark in business, which is ok but it's not what I want. Just give me that guy who sleeps beside me to reach out in his sleep and mumble "I Love You".
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21 posted 2001-01-16 10:14 AM


LOL! Ya know..my husband says I ruin his getting to buy me something every Valentines day because with all that stuff just staring out at me from the candy isle, I can't resist.  I confess, I've bought myself two boxes of chocolates since they've had the stuff out. Ohh..and you just wouldn't believe the amount of those little conversation hearts that are just waiting around the house to be devoured. Soo..What the heck is this LOVE stuff about? I thought Valentines day was especially for the variety appearance of Russel Stover's chocolates, conversation hearts, and whatever delectable kinds of candy they can come up with.       

He has (my husband) started a sort of tradition though. On our first Valentines day , he got me one rose and a card.  (Peach colored roses, mind you, because they are my favorite instead of red) the card said that he would add one rose each Valentines day for every year we are married.   He hasn't failed me yet, and last year he bought me the first piece of jewelry besides my wedding set.

I know every day we are supposed to be in love, and show it. I know that every day we are supposed to be romantic and do special things for one another, but in reality when the world grips us in work, finances, children, or other assorted matters;  sometimes we tend to get a little behind in our attentions.  One special day a year can't hurt as long as we don't make that the ONLY day we concentrate on. If my husband and I only tried to show each other we cared on Valentines day, and didn't bother to the other days of the year, then there would be cause for concern.  
Sooo...have a Happy Valentines Day people, and try not to get so freaked out about it. LOL!




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Come to touch,
Your heart to ease?


Romy
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22 posted 2001-01-16 05:00 PM


But does Valentines day have to be a day for only couples?  I say no...funny, I just wrote a short article about this very subject the other day...LOL
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23 posted 2001-01-16 07:47 PM


A very good question. I think it certainly doesn't have to ONLY be for couples.   Especially not considering that my Mom and Stepdad...Dad and Stepmom used to get my siblings and I something every year. I was just considering the other day getting my best friend (who is a female) something for Valentines day.   Also, I don't see anything wrong with getting a male friend something. I also love to buy for my little sisters and one little brother still at home.   Its fun, and I like to spoil them anyway. Laters for now! Thanks for raising an interesting question!

Can I be your willful breeze,
Come to touch,
Your heart to ease?


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24 posted 2001-02-14 05:31 AM


This was an email that i send to the newsletter Digital Poetry:
First I really like this, this is my very first Issue of "Digital Passion". I was just browsing it through, when I reached the end I thought: "How dare they send me Valentines-junk?"
I think the story of Priest Valentine was so cute, but the idea of "Valentine" as a day is stupied, if you really love somebody it shouldn't be on Valentines day you showed him or her it, not bacause of the very sad story about Priest Valentine that was executed that day, but bacause when you love somebody you should be able to show it anywhere anytime, not on Valentines day.
I think a such day as Valentines Day is to belive in the ideas the ruler of the empiere, back in Valentines lifetime, had... That you could mary a girl for one year at a time and such things, I belive that what Velentine wanted was that any girl or boy on this planet could love each other anytime and not just once a year. I think he would have wanted lovers day every day.
I hope somebody out there agrees whit me and shows their love, not just on Valentines Day, but any day a year.

Love, Hope

Wich perfectly shows that I agree whit Wolf

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25 posted 2001-02-14 06:09 AM


I have to go with inot2b on this one ...

Happiness is having a man who will kiss your hand in his sleep when you pass it over his lips ... sigh.

I love you Michael. Happy Valentine's Day.

Linda

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26 posted 2001-02-14 09:26 AM


I hate Valentine's Day Period

So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S.

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27 posted 2001-02-15 01:23 AM


Total concurrence with inot2B and Linda…

SO I'm working at Hallmark now (oh HUSH), and YES I was there this morning: fun! And everyone at the store was getting their little gifts and balloons and cards together and asking, "What are YOU doing tonight?" ... and I kept grinning and saying with a bethsmirk, "Well, you see my boyfriend and I have this agreement that holidays like V-Day are ridiculous, and I feel like I can find a better way of saying “Darling, I love you” than a grand spree of commercialism ... But really, it doesn’t matter to me if I get flowers or dinner or some magnificent scheme ... I get that treatment everyday. I come home, I walk in the door and instantly, there it is: in his eyes, in his hands, in his words (though they’re not needed)... constantly, I am irrefutably reminded and must realize: MY GOD, I am so loved.”

At which point I get a small pause and the wrinkled-nose response: “Omg, Beth, you make me sick.”

*sigh*

Sidenote: the cloud thing, the sunset, the many, many 'i love you's throughout the day: oh, joy upon joys, I understand that... but if you touch that boy in his sleep you’ll get your arms broken. *whimper*

Raw Brownie Mix and Blue Bottles, Rock. I hate you. Love, your hairless cow.

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28 posted 2001-02-15 06:19 PM


I totally understand what you are saying white wolf. Although I do enjoy V-day, I belive that you should cheirsh every day you have with the people you love.
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