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WhtDove
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125 posted 03-05-2001 11:30 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Ron, I finally found the page it was on, but it seems it's disappeared. Go figure...

Here's the link anyhow.
http://pub2.ezboard.com/flatinabarbiesmessageboardpoetrystories.showMessage?topicID=261.topic


I think her attitude is the one that needs adjusting.
quote:

They said webpage, not message board. They are two different things.

Severn
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126 posted 03-05-2001 11:36 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Tell her to go get a life hon heh

it's not like she is expecting people skills from you is it now?

HAHAHA...

at her too!
Elizabeth Cor
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127 posted 03-05-2001 11:49 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth Cor   Email Elizabeth Cor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Cor

*blinks* WhtDove I'm pissed just reading that... and it's not even directed at me...
omg WHAT a friggin' MORON, WHAT. A. (opps can't say that )
Ron
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128 posted 03-06-2001 12:33 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Becky, would you mind forwarding me the orginal email from this, uh, Admin?
Elizabeth
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129 posted 03-06-2001 12:34 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Everyone check here: http://www.dreamersreality.com/Poems/others/mac-auntie.htm

This is one of the places someone is trying to pass of my work as his. I suggest you look through Mr. Cohen's 'works' and see if you recognize any of them.
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130 posted 03-06-2001 12:42 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Oh, and look at this one:

quote:
Friendship by Vanessa

A spirit, a beacon
To shine through the night
To guide you to safety
Through many a plight,
To sound through your darkness
Clear as a bell,
The voice of the person
Saying all's well.
A flower in the cruel weeds
Of grief and of pain
To tell you how, some day,
Things will come right again;
And like a hot drink
On a cold winter's day
It comes to remind you
Of help on the way.
Someone just chosen
Above all the rest,
The one just for you,
Who can help you the best
To pierce the darkness
To spread warmth and light,
A reminder of beauty,
Setting sorrow to flight.
You have been chosen,
As also have they,
To each guide the other
The whole of the way.


and then compare it to this one: http://netpoets.com/poems/friends/0227001.htm

I can't do much about it, as Vanessa did not really copy it, but they're awfully similar....*sigh*
insect
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131 posted 03-06-2001 01:37 AM       View Profile for insect   Email insect   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for insect

Plagiarism- 1) Act of plagiarizing
                              2) The product of plagiarism

Plagiarize- To adopt and reproduce as oneís own, to appropriate to
                             oneís own use, and incorporate in oneís own work, without
                             acknowledgement, the ideas of others, passages from their
                             writings
Poet deVine
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132 posted 03-06-2001 04:22 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

This is Mr. Cohen's copyright verbiage:

quote:
COPYRIGHT NOTICE (for all  Mikey A Cohen's Poetry and writings)
Although all of my works here upon and elsewhere are fully copyrighted, I do invite you to share those which might speak to you or your's provided that my works are NOT used to garner ANY measure of profit or fundraisings without my expressed, written concent, and always, provided that my copyright be clearly visible thereupon. Should you wish to include any of my works on your personal web site, as I've found that many do indeed on the World Wide Web, in whole or in part, I do require that my copyright be clearly visible then at all times. You need not ask me for permission to reproduce my works, in whole or in part, on your web pages, provided that DO you respect my copyright. Should you choose to inform me of the latter, I'd be most appreciative. These works are not sold, nor garner profits in any way. They are published here first and foremost as my sharing with those who may redeem from these far more than monies could ever afford one, including myself. However, any reproductions on any media whatsoever found to be in violation of my copyright notice herewith explained will be pursued to the fullest extent of intellectual property laws.



I hope you leave a message on the site about these - even the one that was 'used' and changed.


Munda
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133 posted 03-06-2001 07:57 AM       View Profile for Munda   Email Munda   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Munda's Home Page   View IP for Munda

Ok here's the email I've send to 101FunPages.com and the replies I received... Uh I was still not cooled of.      

Hi there,

     It was brought to my attention you have one of my poems at your site as
     a greeting card. (Walk With Me)

     http://www.postcardsfrombeyond.com/send_a_friend/love_walkwithme.html

     Since I have never given permission for such I am quite upset by this.
     Therefore I see two options to turn this wrong to right.
     1) You delete this poem from your site.
     2) Besides the mentioning of my name you place my email address + a link
     to netpoets.com, where the poem was originally submitted, + a link to my
     personal homepage - http://poeticmoments.terrashare.com  -.
At least
     people will have the opportunity to find out about the poet behind this
     poem.

     Only under these restrictions you have my permission to use my poem on
     your site.
     If for some reason you cannot comply with these requests, please delete
     it from your site, otherwise I see myself forced into taking legal
     steps.

     With kind regards,

     Munda Schram
     The Hague - The Netherlands

I reveived 2 replies today:

Subject: RE: I am upset!
     Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 04:59:23 -0500
    From: "Calvin"
        To: "Munda Schram"

Hi Munda,
We usually find stuff on public domains and give credit to the authors.
Unfortunatly, we cannot do anything else but that. It was a beautiful poem.
But I will remove it today.
Thanks,
Calvin

AND this one:

Subject: RE: I am upset!
     Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:08:16 -0500
    From: "Calvin"
        To: "Munda Schram"

Hi,
I have removed your poem from our site.
Thank You,
Calvin

THEN I decided to have a look at the page where the poetry is listed and I think all of you who have poetry at the main site may want to have a look at this!
http://www.101funpages.com/poems.html

Recognize any of these titles??

Addicted 2 U
Special love
A Wish          
Confusion
Depth of my Love
Distant Love
Dream of Me    
Dreams  
All So True
Dry your Tears
Eternity  
First Time Love
How Could I Know
I Promised You                                          
Key 2 my Heart
Kisses    
Longing 4 U
Love  
Love at First Sight
Love Broken
Love Friend  
Mirror Me                                          
Missing You
My First Love
My perfect
Night & Day  
Pull of Moon
Roses 4 my Love                        
Storms never Last
Sweet Dreams
Take me or Go
This Kiss      
This Night
Times in Love
Your Heart
Watching You
Whispering Wind
Whisper of Soul
Love Wings                                          
Wish U were Here              
You're my Light
A Friend like You
Friendship Always
There 4 Me
Angel in Disquise
Arch across Sky
Are U My Friend
Best Friend
Friendship
Gift of Friendship  
Gold
Good Friends
Human Relations
If ever u need me
Beigh with You
Mere Words
Moment in Time
My Angel
Best Friends
My Treasures
Our Friendship
Simple Thanks
Friend vs. Real
So Much
Special Friends
Stronger Side  
Thanks    
Thank You      
That Friend
True Best Friends
True Friend
Greatest Gift
                                                                                                                                
Yes Marge there's one of yours and Kit's and Rosalie Rodriguez,Virgo, Anthony West, warmhrt, Nicole Choiniere, Tara Simms, Lonely Shadow, Earthbound Angel, Elizabeth, Hoot owl rn, Sven and God knows who else... Ron you  may want to have a look at this, as it seems this person is raiding PIP's main site for his personal use.
I feel somewhere between    and     right now!

Oh sorry for the mess... that's how it copied...


Thanks Sharon for ordening that mess  

[This message has been edited by Munda (edited 03-06-2001).]
sans38
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Posts 119
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134 posted 03-06-2001 08:32 AM       View Profile for sans38   Email sans38   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit sans38's Home Page   View IP for sans38

Denise....I would love to post one of your poems on my site! I just visited your place and read your wonderful poems. The were awesome! If you were serious in your offer I would love to post "Come Share With Me" Let me know if it's ok!
Poet deVine
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135 posted 03-06-2001 09:18 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Yikes..that 101 Fun things page has a lot of Passions poetry!!!
WhtDove
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since 07-22-99
Posts 9561
Illinois


136 posted 03-06-2001 09:21 AM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Sure thing Ron. It's on its way shortly here.
I'm still at a loss for words on this one.
Having a hard time letting it go, and then not even wanting to give her the satisfaction of a reply.
serenity blaze
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137 posted 03-06-2001 09:43 AM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

After running my search? Much to my surprise? I discovered that I am already a published author living in Montana...sigh sigh...who's life is it anyway...lol...and just forget running a search on serenity!
sans38
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138 posted 03-06-2001 10:36 AM       View Profile for sans38   Email sans38   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit sans38's Home Page   View IP for sans38

Hi All!
I decided to do a search for one of my poems on yahoo and I found a number of sites using it. Only one site gave me credit and a link back. Two others claimed to have written it themselves. One guy posted it as an tribute to his wife and won an award for it lol!
I'm afraid to look for any of my other poems!
Elizabeth
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139 posted 03-06-2001 10:42 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Sans, I know! Isn't it awful? I can't believe people could do this...well, I can believe it, but it's hard. I've emailed two people concerning Forever Gone, but haven't done the rest yet....*sigh*
Elizabeth
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140 posted 03-06-2001 10:43 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

Sharon I left a message in the guestbook for the owner of the site. I emailed her as well, but haven't heard anything back yet.
Love Police
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141 posted 03-06-2001 12:36 PM       View Profile for Love Police   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for Love Police

        

This is the Love PoliceÖ

I am concerned about this criminal activity thatís going on around the
Internet and I suggest that YOU take immediate action to make people
aware that the original poets of stolen passages are seeking these criminals
out. Justice shall be served!!

sans38Öthe one guy who received an award for your poem, was that a
                contest? Iím sure the other competitors would be pretty upset to
                find out they lost to someone who cheated! He should be striped
                of that award, are you going to do something? Otherwise he may
                find his way here at Passions and do the same thing to one of
                our fine poets.

Hi sans38 (Sandra) Hope I didnít scare you! Ha! I am just another poet here
at Passions that created this cop character to give my fellow friends here a
smile or a laugh just to make their day go a little better. The Love Police canít
really take legal action anywhere because he is just a character bound to Passions.
This family of friends at Passions also like to have fun too, so make sure you stay awhile  
and have some fun with your writings?
WhtDove
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142 posted 03-06-2001 12:50 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

What a can of worms that's been opened here.


Ron, I'm sorry that this makes it THAT much more for you to have to deal with. Like you didn't have enough on your plate already.

A great big many thanks (REALLY)...
for all you do! I don't think there would be another place out there, where the owner cares so much about the people sharing his home. Or that would go to the lengths that you have to help us out. ~big HUGS, and many thanks~
Alicat
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143 posted 03-06-2001 01:13 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Well, bianca.com finished fixing the problem, and I must say, it looks great. Doreen, I can finally see what you were talking about there.  http://woods.bianca.com/shacklet/Tanaya

Ron
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144 posted 03-06-2001 01:27 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I just responded to an email from Rebecca at dreamersreality.com (see Elizabeth's post), and she is definitely pursuing the matter. She wrote me because she didn't really know whom to believe - a regular contributor to her site or a stranger she just "met." She asked if we could compare submission dates to see which author posted first.

I pointed out to Rebecca (and am reminding everyone here) that the Response Panel following every poem at the main site includes a "More" button for reading more poetry by the same author. And included on the Author's Page is the exact date the poem was submitted to Passions. When you're emailing these people, it might be prudent to include a link to your Author's page as well, so they can see that date. I think it's also a little more convincing when you can include a precise date in your letter, rather than an approximate one.

BTW, Rebecca sounds like a very nice person, who just wants to do the right thing.
sans38
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145 posted 03-06-2001 02:37 PM       View Profile for sans38   Email sans38   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit sans38's Home Page   View IP for sans38

OH MAN I just did another search and hit the mother load so to speak. I ran the first line of a poem of mine and when I went to the site found not only 3 of my poems but 7 pages of lists of poems I have read at the Passions main site.
this is the url of the page I started at with my poem http://library.lovingyou.com/poetry/24/24602.shtml
then I just followed the link for more poems by this author http://library.lovingyou.com/utils/poetry.cgi?val=Goldene
I could not believe that there was 135 poems this woman claimed to have written! Perhaps she did write some of them but I know the majority of them were stolen from others.
Ron
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146 posted 03-06-2001 02:56 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

> Hello,
>
> Thanks for your patience.
>
> It looks like the admin of the board has already responded to your
> request. Let us know if you still need help.
>
> If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me anytime.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Jeff Levy
> Helpdesk Administrator

Thanks for the follow-up, Jeff. Yes, the admin of the board removed the plagiarized work when one of the poets posted a response to her OWN poem. :-) I certainly appreciate your quick response.

I'm writing again because many of our poets have recently started using search engines to find instances of "borrowed" work, and the ezboard system seems to come up fairly frequently. So far, our poets have had little difficulty getting their poetry removed, but they are complaining about the attitude they are seeing. I know your TOS includes this language: "You agree to not use the Service to: Öinfringe the rights of any third party, including but not limited to intellectual property rights and privacy or publicity rights," but we're finding that some of your people apparently don't understand what they have agreed to follow.

For example, Tempered Steel < Grabowms@aol.com > at the Steelville board mentioned in my previous email, responded with the following (copied verbatim) :

"Copy rights... on the Internet, as long as proper author identification is
given, (or as best can be achieved) I believe it is not a copy right
violation, but will admit, it is pushing it. It falls under public domain."

This person obviously doesn't understand that something published with proper accreditation, and especially with a copyright notice, is NEVER in the public domain (at least not for the next 70+ years). We appreciate that Tempered Steel removed the poetry, and we know he can't be expected to recognize everything his members post as original or stolen, but we do not appreciate him trying to argue the laws involved. His ignorance of what constitutes intellectual property rights suggests a problem that, while resolved for now, will only result in further violations. The admin of this ezboard was polite and helpful, but should be made aware of his responsibilities.

The admin at LatinaBarbie < http://server3.ezboard.com/blatinabarbiesmessageboard.html > was equally ignorant of the laws involved, but considerably less polite. Michelle Curiel's < michelle@latinabarbie.com > response to one of our poets was:

"I have no problem deleting your poem, as it does not affect me and i'm sure people on
my board will not miss it either. This is the first time I even see your poem. Can I
have the link to where this poem is at so I can delete it "IMMEDIATELY!"

"I understand you have your rights, but as much as you have your rights, people have the
right to post things such as poems they have found on the internet on boards, etc. It
is not as if he is using your poem for money. And it is not as if he is using your poem
on a website. It clearly states '(c) 1999-2000 WhtDove Please respect the rights of the
author and Passions in Poetry. If you would like to use this poem on your own web page,
please use the Mark button. Thank you.'

"They said webpage, not message board. They are two different things. If you don't want
people copying your poems, then i suggest you not post them on the internet!"

Jeff, we don't expect your users to be lawyers, but we do expect them to be aware of their responsibilities. We don't expect them to be omnipotent, but we do expect compliance and common courtesy. Passions in Poetry gets just shy of two million visitors a month, and all of our poets KNOW their poetry is going to be shared by many - but nonetheless wish to maintain control over where and when that sharing takes place. That's their right. The admins of your software have agreed, through your Terms of Service, to support that right. I think your company has a responsibility to insure they understand what that means. While ezboard might wish for the traffic of Napster, I'm sure you don't want the reputation.

Thanks for listening, Jeff. I will soon be adding software to Passions so that any of our poets or visitors can report copyright violations for follow-up activity, and I hope I can count on your help should the ezboard name again surface. One of our writers has expressed an interest in putting together an article for our newsletter and, with your permission, I would like to give her your name as a contact. I'm sure everyone would like to know your company's official stance on matter of this nature. Again, thanks for your time, and I hope I've helped make you aware of a serious problem.

Ron Carnell
Passions in Poetry http://netpoets.com/



The above letter just went out to the EZBoard company, with carbon copies sent to both of the admins mentioned (so they know they're busted). Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go write some software for the promised copyright violation reporting system. And one of you needs to get started on our newsletter article.
Kit McCallum
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147 posted 03-06-2001 04:25 PM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Yay Ron!!! You are so incredibly diplomatic and firm all in the same breath ... amazing! Thank you so much for helping us all out. It is very much appreciated.

I'm so glad Alicat suggested the template idea, it looks like you're expanding it into something exceptional. Can't wait to see what you come up with ... this is terrific, thank you!

[This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 03-06-2001).]
WhtDove
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148 posted 03-06-2001 05:48 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Ron thank you SO much!!!!!!

You've done so much better with this than I ever would have. God bless ya a thousand times over!
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149 posted 03-06-2001 06:39 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I'm putting together an article for the newsletter...but will wait a few days to finalize it. Right now, I've got about 4 pages!! LOL
 
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