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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas 
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Ron, admins, and mods: Today, Sharon and I were talking over ICQ, and she mentioned heading to Yahoo! and typing my name in the search window, just to see if my pages at Passions popped up first. They did, as well as a few other links that I did not recognize. Upon following them, I found some of my poems, on sites, without my permissions, though credit was given. At one site in particular http://www.getpassionatenow.com/gppoetry.html all the authors of the poetry linked back to netpoets.com. I don't recall ever being asked by this site to use my material. Now, I don't mind the exposure, but I am a little irked by the lack of common courtesy. Any and all opinions/insights would be appreciated. I would also urge ya'll to do a search on yourself, just to see what pops up. http://www.yahoo.com or whatever search engine you prefer. Alicat, the slightly disgruntled kilted Persnikitty [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-12-2001).] |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I've found several others using our members poetry but am not sure if they gave permission. One poet (a newbie named Ron Carnell) has his poem 'Cyber Seas', as an internet greeting card...needless to say, I sent Ron an email. And I wrote a letter to the site that was using Alicat's poem. Methinks we ALL should do some digging.. [This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
Posts 7704 |
All I get is stuff on the Severn river LOL Mind you - this is techno girl we are talking to...I really don't know what I am doing. How do those poems link back to netpoets? I couldn't even see THAT sigh. |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
And now this: http://www.blenheim.webgate.net/~sullivan/poetry2.html |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Severn, it you go to the link I posted above, click on a poem, then hover your mouse pointer on the author's name. Now look at the lower left hand corner of your browser. You will see what I was referring to. |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I found another one of mine..there was no email address so I posted a note on this person's guest book...now what? Sigh..I know Ali, I should calm down.. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
I think this thread should be moved into the Alley, so ALL of our Members can benefit from it. FWIW, getpassionatenow.com and asandboxgreeting.com are, in some obscure way, related to each other. The former is registered to Ann LeVassuer in Westland, Michigan and the latter is registered to Sandra B, also in Westland, Michigan. Coincidence? Maybe, but the billing contact for getpassionatenow.com is listed as S.B., too. Everyone knows how strongly I feel about the importance of getting permissions before using someone else's work. We have a right to know where our words are being displayed and what mental relationships are being formed as the result of that display. This could just as easily have been a porn site. I suggest writing the individual responsible, making it very clear that permission was never asked nor given. Cite the page, but also mention the domain name very prominently AND CC your letter to the web host. You will likely get a fairly quick response. Domain: getpassionatenow Person: Ann LeVassuer contact@getpassionatenow.com Host: Jay Jeszenka jay@hostandsave.com Domain: asandboxgreeting.com Person: Sandra B sans38@prodigy.net Host: Register.Com domain-registrar@register.com Domain: blenheim.webgate.net Person: Marcie Sullivan sullivan@blenheim.webgate.net Host: webgate.net domains@WEBGATE.NET If anyone finds any other site that is posting their poetry without permission, I will be more than happy to track down the web host. |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Ok..I'll move this to the Alley!! Thanks Ron. |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
I agree Ron, and thank you deVine for moving this thread from Mod to the Alley. Ok, members. Sometimes it is best to err on the side of caution, so I would urge you to do a search on your alias and copyright name, just to see who has you linked where. If the site is one to which you gave posting permission, fine and dandy. But if not, let us know. We'll all try to help you resolve this issue. Try searches at Yahoo!, Excite, Dogpile, etc., then post the link in your reply using 'a href' or UBB url code. (Both examples can be found in the Member's Help Area). If you know of someone here who normally does not leave their particular forum, send em this post, give em a clue. Good huntin! Alicat |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
I found one of mine as well, and sent an email to this person. I see it's linked to the "poetry buffet." http://user.icx.net/~ae4vp/nothing.html |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
well. That was fun. serenity had a LOT OF STUFF. and I honestly did not know Serenity was a porn star too. (IT'S NOT ME, SVEN.) |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Here is one......sorry ALI! This one is active, and NO email address.... http://www.inthetwinklingofaneye.homestead.com/PoemsOfFaith.html Here's another one.... http://www.ilovejesus.com/myhome/shannonrenae/ [This message has been edited by WhtDove (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Allow me to apologize for any sensationalism this thread has caused. quote: This quote can be found on any poetry page at netpoets, and keeping that in mind, getpassionatenow did not violate this clause. However, there are still others out there, who include the poet's name, but fail to link back to the PiP page URL. This does not negate the issue of common courtesy. I still hold that the poet should be contacted and permission granted before their work is posted elsewhere. So before anyone goes ballistic, check to see if the site in question links back to the page url, as well as giving credit. Examples: http://www.gurlpages.com/cutie_lucy/link4.html http://www.madasafish.net/~slcastra/slc/slcrainbow.html Neither of these asked my permission, or linked back to the original netpoets url. Your Alley Moderator Alicat [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Skyfyre Senior Member
since 1999-08-15
Posts 1906Sitting in Michael's Lap |
EEEEEEEEEWW! I found one of my poems -- the only one I submitted to the main site -- posted on a DATING PAGE ...  *Linda reels dramatically* Anyway, this is the site: http://www.tolove.com/poems1/lifepoems1.php3?messageID=18 Apparently it was posted there by someone called "Love Guy," without my permission! (I feel so violated -- *swoon*) On a lighter note, the search was certainly enlightening ... apparently there is a songwriter with my penname, one "Drew Skyfyre," as well as several characters from online RPGS such as: "Lord Mersteel Skyfyre the Dark Elf Demonmaster" Sounds like an important guy. hehe Linda [This message has been edited by Skyfyre (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
I think it's interesting, Becky - that first link you found has this at the bottom of the page: All Rights Reserved. * No Mirror Sites Allowed * It seems they want to protect their rights, even as they are abusing yours. I couldn't find a email address on the second link either, but I did find her son's web site at http://deermaster8.homestead.com/MyHome.html - I suggest you go there and post a note in his Guest Book. She also has a five-year-old daughter with a site at http://breeleigh.homestead.com/Home.html and there's a guest book there, too (and one would assume Mother is managing the site). Your first example is a bit irritating, since they effectively tried to put a copyright on your work. The second, I think, is an example of a very nice person just not realizing she's made a mistake. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Thank you Ron! Amazing isn't it? I would have never thought of searching my name. I'm blown away by what's coming up. |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
It's astounding to me how widespread this is becoming - Perhaps I'm protective of the Passionate fold here, but one of these sites didn't even bother to be very original about their name.... This doesn't please me... and Ali - I don't see it as sensationalist at all... |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Ron, actually that first link there is linked to netpoets.com, but the page isn't found. Everything is underlined on the page. So it's hard to tell their actually links. Still though......grrr. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
Ali, I have to admit, I didn't realize that wording could be construed to suggest contacting the author was optional. But you're right. That's exactly what it says. I'll be changing it as soon as possible and certainly by the next update. I have to admit, I'm a lot less concerned with individuals posting my poetry on their personal web site than I am with companies using it to further their own agenda (like the first two links Sharon posted). If they have a free web host and their site is strictly personal, I will probably lodge no complaint at all. I'm pleased they enjoyed my words enough to want to reference them frequently. But those who have their domain and, seemingly a company name as well, should know better. If my sister borrows my car without asking, I'm not going to be happy. But I won't immediately call the police, and will assume there was a reason for her uncharacteristic actions. If someone down the street takes it to deliver newspapers, however, I'm going to make very sure it doesn't happen twice. Logically, I know there's not difference between the actions, regardless of who does them. Emotionally, there's a huge difference. My point is, those words you quoted really haven't changed in over two years. They are almost word for word what was posted when I first uploaded a handful of my own poems. At the time, I suspect I envisioned a bit of a different destination than the one netpoets.com has since found. I guess this is a wake-up call for me and, in retrospect, I see I should have done much more to protect our authors. It's time, I think, to educate those who are visiting Passions. |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Thanks for bringing it to our attention Ali. I used to stay on top of this, but hadn't done a search in months. It was pretty interesting. I've given permission to only one or 2 "personal" sites and I have copies of me giving my permission to them so I could validate later if I ran across "me" somewhere, LOL. I do not believe I've been approached by any of these though. One or two were through a message board, some look like just personal home/family pages, but there's some that appear to be greeting cards - those I'm a little more concerned with. http://www.fantasykingdom.org/wwwboard/messages/84.html http://www.tolove.com/poems1/lifepoems1.php3?messageID=16 http://homepages.go.com/~muffie019/special/friendship.html http://kolbeh.net/mum.html http://members.theglobe.com/senaf/theroad.html http://artsweb.uwaterloo.ca/~mpjlim/family.html http://tassiedevil.tripod.com/afriend2.htm http://www.101funpages.com/html/friendship_mere_words.html http://www.ionet.net/~cheung_osu/html/poem_friend.html http://www.k-b-e.subnet.dk/106648.htm http://groups.yahoo.com/group/inspirations4parents/messages/123 http://www.netpoetry.com/show.cfm?filename=1216991.html http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=114.topic Thanks again. |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Member 5402 in Steelworks has posted 3 of my poems here. And at a quick glance I saw a Prometheus too ... is this Prometheus from Passions? You may want to have a look here ... what type of board is this one? http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=112.topic http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=114.topic http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=153.topic Prometheus ... is this "you"? http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=154.topic |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
I do searches on myself relatively frequently - So I thought I'd perhaps escape this one... NOT!!! http://home.thirdage.com/friendship/irishgrrl/solitude.html This site does link back to Passions... and interestingly enough, they give the designer of a photo with a lake applet as "posted with permission"... I, however, was never consulted... [This message has been edited by Nan (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
Posts 7704 |
Kit - this is indeed Jamie's (Prometheus)...he says thanks for pointing it out... (he's too lazy to come here himself heh)  K |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
In just perusing the Steelville forum I found a poem by Balladeer..though his name was listed on the post but now POSTED by him unless his 5042.... http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=176.topic [This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Poet deVine
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
Posts 7704 |
AND poems on Steelville by Rebecca and Kit and a score of other people who are certainly NOT 5042. Jamie gave permission for me to make a comment on his poem in there - in which I included the link to the page on the main site where his poem originally appears. Why did you include all their legal stuff Sharon? |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
Yes - well try running a search on "Christopher" in Yahoo... ROFL! |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Because it clearly states they cannot post copyrighted work of others.. Chris I didn't know you were a porn star too!!! (found that on Yahoo) |
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Elizabeth Cor Senior Member
since 2000-10-13
Posts 879Over the river and through the woods |
Uh yeah... same results on "Elizabeth" even with the Cor... ...and uhm, Sharon, does this really surprise you? |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
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Severn where do you find my name?? |
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Ron
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I just sent a letter to the people who run ezboard: quote: |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=172.topic Beccy - wahlah...your poem... This is in the same place as all the poems Ron listed above in his letter to the people at ezboard. I tried to find an email addy there also - nothing, no contact address - rather unusual. [This message has been edited by Severn (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Thanks Ron! I was trying to register to make a comment on this person posting my poetry, seems I just couldn't do it. When I enter in my password, it won't accept it. Guess that's for the best though! Ron, I applaud you for all you're doing! You're such a fantastic person!! |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Thanks Severn, I still can't get in there LOL Maybe you could post a reply for me?? NEVER mind Severn, I did get in, and posted a reply to poem. RON, actually the name is 5042 not 5402. That might make a difference when they do a search. [This message has been edited by WhtDove (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Kit McCallum
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Thanks Ron ... I very much appreciate it!  |
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Ron
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since 1999-05-19
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quote: I'm glad to hear it wasn't just me losing it, Kamla. I spent a long time looking and even longer filling in their blasted form (five times! only to have it crash and burn, forcing me to reload and start over), and had my first two emails (to abuse@ezboard.com and admin@ezboard.com) bounce. I finally viewed the source code of the form and, lo and behold, found an email address that worked. The next time I get irritated at the people who wrote our forum software, I'll try to remember this incident. UBB ain't so bad, after all. (p.s. Becky, I sure hope they can figure out who I meant, from the links I provided - 'cause I don't intend going through that again right away  ) |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
LOL Ron, I'm sure that will do it. It's just another DUH moment from me. (shaking head) It sounds like it was a real pain the butt, just as it was trying to register, and then post a reply. Grrr......this place is simple compared to that. |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Hi, I would like to extend an sincere apology to all the net-poets whos work I have used on my site. I wrote Ron a letter and am going to post here to you all the letter I sent him and his response. Please know I am going to take his advice and re do all of the link backs more prominently. If you wish me to remove your poetry please just let me know and I will be happy to do so. Hi My name is Sandra, owner of asandboxgreeting.com. I have a lot of poems from your site posted on mine as well as on my sister in law Ann's site ( getpassionatenow.com. I do all the html work for her as well as the e-mail as she has an illness that prevents her from doing it herself.) Neither of our sites are bussiness sites. We got our own domain names so we would not have to deal with the pop up ads etc that come with free web hosting. I was contacted by marge tindal in regard to copy right violation and pointed to a message board to read the posts of other poets from your site. I always thought it was ok to post the poems because of this : (c) 1999-2000 Marge Tindal Please respect the rights of the author and Passions in Poetry. If you would like to link to this page from your own web site, please feel free to do so. If you would like to post a copy of the poem, on the Web or elsewhere, please include appropriate credit to the author and a link to this page URL. Thank you. I have always included the authors name and a link to the url I found the poem at. I am very upset and scared to death of being sued! I thought I was doing the right thing! I have been through a lot this year, my mom was diagnosed with cancer, my daughter was also extremely ill, and my husband has been laid off work for 7 months now. The poetry and the creation of the web pages are like therapy to me. I would never in a million years want to cause anyone to be upset by my use of their poetry. I write poetry too and have had it stolen and used on others sites who claim they wrote them so I know how all these wonderful poets must be feeling. Please let me know what I need to do to make this right. I will remove all the poetry if that is what everyone wants, but please let them know it will take me some time to accomplish it. Most Sincerely, Ann and Sandra Hi, Sandra. I'm sorry for adding to your concerns, but if you read the thread in our forums I hope you can recognize our concerns, too. I'm glad you wrote and explained a little of the situation to me. As I said in that thread, I'm less concerned with people using my poetry (yea, you have one of mine, too :-) than I am with commercial sites abusing it. Your explanation goes a long ways towards allaying some concerns. But, of course, I can only speak for myself, not Marge or anyone else. Here's two possible suggestions. First, as time permits, I strongly suggest you give the authors more credit. For example, Marge's byline is way down at the bottom of the page, in fairly small type, and easily missed. Nor is it even obvious the name is a link, not unless someone just happens to run their mouse over it. People want to be recognized for their contributions and, as the web designer, it's up to YOU to make that recognition meaningful (rather than just token accreditation). Does that make sense? That's going to take some time, of course. In the meantime, more immediately, I suggest you register in the forums and post a response to that thread. Be as honest and open as you were to me, and I think you'll be very surprised by the results. We have some of the most caring and compassionate people in the world at Passions, and I very seriously doubt anyone will take you task for making a simple mistake. Promise to make the correction above, and promise in the future to contact the authors before posting, and I suspect you'll not only allay their concerns - but will also gain some loyal visitors. I will watch for your post and do what I can to back you up. If there's anything else I can do for you, just let me know. Ron |
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Sunshine
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Ali....your quick work circumvented a lot of unhappy Passionate poets' grief... Ron... your quick turnaround time in contacting the other website owner also allayed a lot of what would have been HER misery.... Thank you both! Karilea If I whisper, will you listen?... I would rather be silent and write, than speak loudly and be bound. KRJ |
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Poet deVine
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Sandra, I think a link to the poet's email and/or website (as well as Passions) would be sufficient! Don't worry!!! If someone chooses NOT to allow you to post their work, that's ok... and welcome to our family!!! We're a feisty bunch!  |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Hi Sandra! I'm really glad you posted here. I think the thing that gets us most,is that we weren't asked, it's just considered polite to ask permission. Seriously I think most have no idea. No harm done!! I'm sure you'll find we are very understanding people. I'm sorry to hear your going through so much. I will keep you and the others in my prayers! Take care, and don't worry. |
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Nan
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since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
A feisty, caring, and supportive bunch... If I might add my dime's worth...  |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Welcome to Passions, Sandra, and I am indeed honored that you have chosen my lowly forum for your first (and hopefully not last) post. I must say that I am deeply touched by the strength of character it took to bring such a very delicate issue to unknown territory, a veritable haven of disgruntled poets (but only in a few of the forums). I was a little surprised to find my work there, under my name Alastair Adamson, but not upset. What kinda irked me was that I was never contacted. It was by sheer chance that I happened across your site during a web search. You have my permission to keep Riding Wistful Horses, and Incurable Romantic on those sites. I would ask, however, that I be contacted in the future at alicat23@visto.com if ever you still desire to use one of my poems. Please know that your extended family will be in my prayers. Pax Poeticus Alicat, Alley Moderator “It is not the strongest of the species that survive, nor the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.” Charles Darwin |
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Dopey Dope
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My poetry would never be on somebody's site haha.....anybody who does put it up would just jinx their whole operation.  I was born myself, raised myself, and will continue to be myself. The world will just have to adjust. I'm in love with my shadow I admire it daily |
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Marge Tindal
since 1999-11-06
Posts 42384Florida's Foreverly Shores |
Sandra~ Thank you for coming here and responding. As I mentioned to you in subsequent e-mails, you have an elegant site that showcases lots of talent. All we poets ask for is proper notification that our work is being used on your site, with proper permission granted by us. The poem you had of mine - 'A Tear Fell' was NOT the one you had linked to in the URL to Passions. The one you had linked to was 'If I' ... which is by another poet. All of us are caring, sympathetic persons. This site is a FAMILY of friends and poets who look out for one another. Welcome to our home. I do trust that you will modify the credits given on your sites. Again, thanks for coming here to allay our concerns. We all understand honesty ! *Hugs* ~*Marge*~ ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~ noles1@totcon.com |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Thanks so much guys for being so sweet and supportive....words alone can not convey how much your kindness in this matter means to me! I would like to explain why I never wrote anyone for permission to use their poems. When I read this: (c) 1999-2000 ****** Please respect the rights of the author and Passions in Poetry. If you would like to link to this page from your own web site, please feel free to do so. If you would like to post a copy of the poem, on the Web or elsewhere, please include appropriate credit to the author and a link to this page URL. Thank you. I assumed it was agreed upon with all the poets that that was all that was nessasary to use the poems. Well...lol...you all know what they say about assumptions! In the future I will be sure to ask first!! Hugs Sandra |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Sandra, This is a quote from Ron. It just shows we all make mistakes. quote: So really, you did go by what we asked of you. [This message has been edited by WhtDove (edited 03-03-2001).] |
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Ron
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I just recieved the following email: quote: |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Thanks for posting that Ron. I have replied to this persons posts, and haven't received a thing yet. |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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It will be interesting to see if that situation is amended... K |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=154.topic Check this out... now I was VERY polite in my post to 5042 - looks like the moderator of this particular forum got rather UPSET at having a member's breach of copywrite pointed out...  |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Severn I saw that, and if you look at mine he did the same thing. I checked out some posts there by the Mod's themselves, and they're using others poetry as well. |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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beccy - I backed up your post by adding one in the thread that had Jamie's poem - and also providing a link for Passions. Let's see if they edit those out lol. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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LOL, I saw that. I told Sharon they probably would edit that out. I'm surprised they edited out the comments in the first place. Geez, guess I'm just spoiled here LOL |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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So was I! HOW RUDE I thought... how paranoid in fact shrug we will see hey? |
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Sven
since 1999-11-23
Posts 14937East Lansing, MI USA |
I'd like to know what name you typed into Yahoo. Was it your real name or was it your Passions name?? And when you did that, did you type in any other words to limit the search??? Thanks!!! -------------------------------------------------------- To the world, you may only be one person. But to one person, you may be the world. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Sven, I went to yahoo and typed in WhtDove and clicked search. I showed up of course in Passions, but also other sites I had no idea were using my poetry. You don't need to do anything else but type in the name you use. If you have poetry on the MAIN site, that's where most of them are being taken from. You can then at the bottom of the search page, click another search engine and search different sites. |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
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What you're finding, of course, are only those site that have, at least, attributed the poem to you. You might also consider searching for sites that have posted your poetry without even giving you credit. Instead of searching for your pen name, search for the first line of a particular poem. You can also bypass Yahoo if want to save a few seconds. The results don't really come from Yahoo (which is a directory of reviewed sites), but rather from Google. Go to http://www.google.com/ and you have a little more control over the search. |
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Acies
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Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
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I just hope they apologize to you guys  "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Oh man Ron, I did that, and WHOA! A line of 2 of my poems pulled up more than I could browse through. LOL |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
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I just spent the last 30 minutes writing emails to people who have 'Lover's Dance' on their site, most of them without an author's name, but a lot of them had someone else's name!!! One did give me credit and linked to Passions so I let that go...I'm afraid to look for more. And to answer Elizabet Cor...I was hoping people were decent and honest.... |
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Kit McCallum
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since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Oh groooaannn.... Ron, I'm trying google, and I'm not liking this ... I tried some lines from my poems "Seek Not My Heart", "Mere Words", "What Is A Friend" and "My Treasure - For Mom" ... This is my poem, and it says by RG??? http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm31006.html These don't list me as the author at all ... http://in.egroups.com/message/eritrean_youth/6401 http://luvutran.homestead.com/Poems.html http://www.expage.com/page/nannashouseofhugs4 http://sfedragon.com/poems/what_is_a_friend.html http://b-o-b.boltpages.com/bobsnotsobadasssite/id7.html http://sfedragon.com/poems/my_treasure.html Sigh ... I guess I have some homework to do. I love it when people ask permission and don't have any problem with it ... but geez, I don't want to wind up as Ms. Anonymous ... now that's a lousy feeling. May as well take one of my paintings and scratch my name off the bottom corner ... [This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Acies
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Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
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not that many of those in this world Sharon. What a shame ha? "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S. [This message has been edited by acire (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Elizabeth Cor Senior Member
since 2000-10-13
Posts 879Over the river and through the woods |
Thank you, Ron, for the suggestion... I'm doing a search using the first lines of my poems now... LOL Sharon... *grins* I meant that I doubted it would be a surprise (to you of all people) that Chris was a porn star ROTFL!!! Gee, what other wonders will we find??? *wink* |
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Kit McCallum
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since 2000-04-30
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Sharon ... I'm heading to bed, but can you either e-mail me, or post the type of wording you're using when e-mailing these sites? I'd appreciate it, thanks. |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I will Kit...started out nicely. Then as my 'dander' got farther and farther UP, I got more curt. Actually what I'm doing is emailing the offender AND the site host..most of them are Tripod or Angelfire. I found one of Michael Anderson's (More) and cc'd him as well. So far, I've only gotten one returned email, but there was a second one on the site so I used that. Where there is a guest book, I've signed with a note "Lover's Dance is copyrighted to me, it's author. Please remove it immediately. Email to follow." I even found a story that contained my poem..the character in the story was reading it. But at the end, I was given full credit with a link to my email address, so that too was let go... If just the few poets here have these many problems, I wonder what the whole of Passions would find if we searched. I think we should write something up for the next newsletter - what do you think Ron? |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
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I think that would be a great idea, Sharon. I think it might also be useful to document some of the results we've seen here, too, which might help to discourage it from happening as often. This is one of the reasons why I really discourage people posting "Author Unknown" posts in the forums. While I'm sure our people really believe the words are anonymous, there's just too much chance this same type of thing happened to someone else out there. All it takes is one uncredited post somewhere and all of a sudden the words belong to "Author Unknown." As you're emailing these people, it might be well to consider that at least some of them may have fallen into this same trap; i.e., they saw the poem without a credit, liked it, and posted it the same. |
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CocoBaci Member Elite
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Wow, I'm floored at reading these posts and I want to thank Ali for sharing this information and everyone who also provided input on this issue... I dunno what to say, I never thought of doing a search on the web under my penname CocoBaci before but I'll keep this in mind and do one tomorrow when my eyes are not as tired... Anyhow, I just want all of you to know, that when I do surf the net I'll keep my eyes open for things of this nature and should I stumble across a scenario like the above-noted, I'll apprise that PoetFriend of my findings... ~coco~ |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
What amazes me is that they pretend it's theirs. ?!?!?! http://www.teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blank/ucstory3736.htm I've found some that give me credit - and while I would like to at the LEAST know about them, I at least appreciate being given credit! OK - found a few more... I was really starting to get mad too, and I only found a few where I wasn't given credit!!!  http://www.bianca.com/shack/basement/sub/saferoom/posts/2000_Sep_13/503/503.html http://www.primenet.com/~artemis/lyimpoem.htm Others might want to check out these sites for any of theirs. I think if someone doesn't have a problem plaigiarizing one poem, they're likely not to have problems with others. C [This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
for whtDove: I looked at the first link you gave and explored a tad on that website. Found the owners homepage which has a guestbook on it. http://www.inthetwinklingofaneye.homestead.com/MyHomePage.html Hope that helps, Colin. oopsy, just looked on the guestbook and see you've been there already Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan [This message has been edited by Colin (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Poet deVine
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Here's an index of teen poems on About.com. http://teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blextras/blextra106.htm Chris cc'd me on his letter and they have responded already. So far, I have heard nothing. |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Heh...I see some of you addicts are also up. I had a nice little surprise. Found one of mine at bianca.net...well, the poem at least, minus my name, but not including someone else's, though I gathered one was inferred. Riding Wistful Horses. I'm very glad she liked it enough to include it on her page, but from her guestbook, which I eventually located and signed, asking that she email me about that poem, was filled with people loving her poem, Riding Wistful Horses....... I'm gonna see if she emails me before taking other steps. Oh, and Ron? I really like the new copyright notice at netpoets. quote: Alicat [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
Well, I've dug out my Sherlock Holmes Junior Detective Kit and am hot on the trail! So far, I've only done a search for the first line of "The Dream" which came up with 2 pages from Google. some silly poetry site which is a dead link http://www.gedichteschloss.purespace.de/main.htm has got The Dream under "Gedichte in englischer Sprache" Yes, it's very flattering to be put on the same page as Longfellow and Blake, but it would be nice to be asked permission. Especially as I'm listed as an unknown poet with no acknowledgment of my name at all. Put me on the list to borrow the flamethrower please  More to come soon I'm sure, Colin. Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Simply put, only you folks put up with my writing, apparently. Under three separate searches [and I only used Google.com] by using both my pen name plus pen name and real name combined, I don't appear anywhere other than where I know I should be... should that make me sad?...or just chalk it up to the fact I'm not as good as the rest of you? Hummm...latter, and I'll just have to work harder ....LOL.... |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
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Sunshine, I found this one(and I think there are more): http://www.jaffari.org/JIY/poem_Circle_Of_Faith.htm And this one: http://user.icx.net/~ae4vp/whisperings.html I searched Google.com using SunshineKRJ which is how you list your name at the main site. [This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Colin I really appreciate that! LOL thanks! |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
So much for that theory, Karilea... I've only found one of mine so far... and now I'm going to do the same search using lines from my poetry... instead of the writing I should be doing for you???... I'll still do it... I promise... |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
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I received a standard message from MSN.com (it was a template letter I'm sure). I sent it back and told them they need to contact the people (2) who plagarized my work or to please give me the name of the attorney for MSN.com. I got this: quote: [This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Cerenity Member Elite
since 2000-02-16
Posts 2637Escondido-California |
To Whom Funds, I have been following this post and I think it is very sad that people would do such a thing but nothing any more surprises me, It was mentioned that most of the poetry used was on the main site but im sure if there finding stuff from there then they have also come in to the forums looking, what im asking is if one of you comes across poetry done by other poets here are you e-mailing them to let them know? Im not to good on doing surches, I did find that there is someone out there by the Cerenity going to school and has some poetry on the inter net,there of all things is a bed called Cerenity, and there is also a famus women who is passed away now but has my real name and she is all over the inter net, thank you. Love, Cerenity |
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Elizabeth
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Ooh...look what I found... This is MY poem--only second poem that I wrote...and I can't recall anyone asking permission to use my poem on this page. http://www.dla.mil/dialog/spring.asp quote: Geez now I'm pretty upset....I searched on Rosebud and my copyright name and found nothing....but using lines from my poems are turning up quite different results. And here's Forever Gone but Forever in our Hearts: http://www.dla.mil/dialog/spring.asp[/URL] http://www.serbiancafe.com/members/osvetnica http://www.serbiancafe.com/members/osvetnica/ http://members.optusnet.com.au/~edj/thaotran/messages2.htm Sweet Dreams (I know the webmaster of the first page contacted Ron) http://asandboxgreeting.com/mf0813.html http://www.funofun.com/sweetdreams.htm Angel http://www.angelfire.com/wv/imhvnbnd/MYANGELFRIEND.html (I'm listed as the author yeah!!!!) I'm finding more and more.... A Rose http://www.tolove.com/poems1/lifepoems1.php3messageID=19 (credit given to me) http://members.tripod.lycos.nl/Angelica1962/love.html (no author listed) http://www.amazontrails.com/xena/GJSacceptance.htm (credit given to me http://www.xenaeyes.com/AcceptanceByMurph.html (same as the last one, credit given to me as well) http://www.netist.com.cn/asp/city/club/disp.asp?owner=B101&ID=185 (no author listed) [This message has been edited by Elizabeth (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
What is really amazing is that this is the Army and the Defense Logistics Agency! Man oh man! Edited by WhtDove's request. [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Going to user.icx.net, I found this disclaimer: quote: I have an email out to them now. It states: quote: I will let you all know what I find out if I receive a return e-mail. Sharon, the other site of one of my poems leads me back to "Ja'ffri Islamic Centre" but when I go to contact a webmaster, all if get is a 404 message, site not found. doing a slow burn here.... and THANKS for showing me the error of my search! [This message has been edited by Sunshine (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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CocoBaci Member Elite
since 2000-05-06
Posts 3043 |
I have a question regarding this topic... Are majority of poems 'taken' without the permission of author from the forum pages or are they from postings at the main PIP site? I ask this because I've never posted at the PIP main site and I'm sitting back today wondering whether it is there the 'culprits' take these treasures from... ~coco~ |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
By and large, the poems used are coming from the main site, with most of the borrowing sites adhering to the letter of the original copyright notice, which Ron has since amended with the author's permission to be requested for use. However, there have been a few sites out there that borrowed from the forums, and linked back. This is very easy to find, if you click on the link and it gives you a 404 at netpoets. (The forums, now on Athena, were, until recently, on Ceres. Hence, the page will not be found on Ceres.) Another possibility could arise from a prior posting at another UBB or BBS, or even on a personal website being borrowed. [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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CocoBaci Member Elite
since 2000-05-06
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Thank you Ali for the prompt reply and when I get a chance this afternoon I'll do some checking around but I'm kinda thinking I'll only find restaurants and/or sweets under my penname If I should find anything out there that's suspicious I'll let you know... Ciao ~coco~ |
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Lakewalker Member Elite
since 2000-08-05
Posts 3289On the streets w/ people |
I have tried to be cautious with the poems I post at Passions' forums, only because I know how easily they can be taken and used without my permission. I searched at several seach engines for "Lakewalker" and was amused to fine my posts at another message board that I used to visit (oh the memories), my poem in passions's poetry magazine, and listings on eBay for the LakeWalker knife set (I think I need some now ). I have not submitted any poems to the main site, that may be why I haven't found any of my poems used without permission. Thanks for bringing this subject up!"Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle" "Life's short. If you don't look around once in a while you might miss it." BothUnknown [This message has been edited by Lakewalker (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Kit McCallum
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since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Groan ... I'm tired. This is really quite sad, and never-ending it seems. Each search is a new adventure (and I'm only focussing on the one's who don't list me as the author or list themselves) ... sigh. Here's a brand new poem someone created which is a compilation of about 3 of my "dog poems", phrases and lines taken from several verbatim and rearranged into one brand "new" poem entitled "Buffy" pulled together by a 16 year old girl. How do I deal with this one? Any ideas? I do not wish to terrify a young child with legal wording by any means. I also want it deleted. Some suggestions on how to handle these delicate ones would be appreciated. http://members.hometown.aol.com/_ht_a/ccluvr13/myhomepage/ [This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
I just followed that link you gave Kit. Anyone that puts typing like THAT on a webpage deserves to be locked up  On a more serious note though, I feel bad enough about someone stealing one of my poems. I would absolutely hate for someone to rip three of them apart and create some kind of mutant hybrid. You have my sympathy and I hope you can resolve it asap Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan |
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Kit McCallum
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LOL @ mutant hybrid Colin ... sigh ... Seriously, I receive so many wonderful e-mails from the main site almost daily, that it suitably out-weighs the problems I'm finding, though I'm still completely aggravated. I've come across a lot so far that are real issues, and I'm not done by a long shot. I did just receive a very apologetic letter from one person, which I very much appreciated (and thanks for passing along that other one Ron). |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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Hey Dovey - they edited out our links! Sigh...free speech and whatnot eh? That seems odd - to be able to just jump in and edit out non-offensive posts. WE can't do that willy nilly can we? HUMPH! I'm OFFENDED lol K |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
And then there is this /pip/Forum6/HTML/000574.html |
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suthern
since 1999-07-29
Posts 20723Louisiana |
A little twist for this sad saga... I wasn't overly concerned that any of my work had been poached since I've never posted on the main forum. However, I did a search on "suthern"... and was quite shocked to find a poem called "Reality" on the main forum submitted by suthern on 12/12/99... and that isn't me or mine!!! |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I received another email telling me the webmaster removed my poem, but also stated that she has seen it ALL over the Net without my name or with someone else's. Sigh. It's nice they like it so much, but wish they would give ME credit and a link. |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Hi everyone! I've spent the last 7 hours going through my site (and Anns site) and making corrections. All links are now either above or directly below each poem, and in larger print. Hopefully I have not missed anyone...I had three years worth of pages to wade through and may have missed one or two : ) I did not know anyones web site addy but will be happy to add it with the net poets link if anyone wants to send them to me. I hope this is ok with everyone, and again, anyone who would like their poetry removed from my site, or Anns just let me know and I will take care of it promptly. Once again, thank you all so very much for your patience and understanding. Most Sincerely, Sandra |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Thanks for the update, Sandra! It's very refreshing to know that there are other webmasters out there willing to not only fix errors, but also who are willing to let the poets know. I, for one, greatly appreciate the effort you've put into correcting this problem. On a side note, if you still write, why not add to one of our poetry forums? I think it safe to say that you are more than welcome. Pax Poeticus Alicat, Alley Moderator |
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Poet deVine
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Sandra, you're amazing!!! It's nice to see such a desire to make things right. Now that you're here, you are a member of our Passions family. Is there something we can do for you? |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Sandra I have to applause you for you promtness in dealing with our problem. Sharon's right, you are a member here, and we'd love to have you join us! Kamla, I figured they would. I don't care!! I was surprised to see, that it's so difficult to find out who is a Moderator over there, and that everyone's email is private. I just happened to pick a link I saw sitting there and was like are you a Mod?? Never did get a reply, I guess they just saw my reply in 'my poem.'  to them anyhow. LOL |
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Nan
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since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
I just want to say to Sandra - You're wonderful!!... and about the rest... BIG SIGH!!![This message has been edited by Nan (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
WOW...you people are amazing! Reading your resposes has touched my heart as did all of your wonderful poems! I can not thank you enough for being so kind! On a different note, It has just occured to me that my original website on Tripod is still out there and all of those pages need to be corrected...sigh...: )My fingers beg me to wait till tomorrow to start correcting those pages! Thanks for inviting me to join your family : ) As soon as I get the rest of those pages fixed perhaps I will submit some of my work! |
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Poet deVine
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Sandra....I for one think you should take your time now. We know you're an honest person so don't think you have to do all this today. I hope the others agree. |
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Elizabeth
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since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Sandra don't worry about mine! I only included the URL's to your site where my poems are posted so I could keep track of where it is. I'm a lot more concerned about the other people who are passing off my work as their own! Believe me the webmasters of those sites will be hearing from me! [This message has been edited by Elizabeth (edited 03-04-2001).] |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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Beccy I agree - to them!!!And Sandra - reading this I have to say your willingness to help and amend is really wonderful! Hugs - and welcome to the family... K |
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Nan
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since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
Sandra - I have a good idea... Sit back - relax... Post a poem with us here first... and read a bit... What PdV said... She's right... |
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Kit McCallum
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Thanks for understanding Sandra, we all appreciate your efforts ...Welcome to Passions! |
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Sunshine
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since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
Sandra, if there ever was a back door to entering Passions, you found it....or perhaps, IT found YOU...Welcome! I would send you a special e-mail except I haven't seen you post one in OPEN #12 yet, and I would guess, from knowing my fellow moderators, we are going to fall on you like flies on a .... well....you get the drift. LOL.... Forgive me...I was a cow-calf raiser a while back.... Sandra...again, welcome....big hugs....bigger acknowledgement of the PERSON that you are! |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Kamla, I still got no reply, doubtful I will. Sandra, c'mon and join us, post a poem. Like Sharon said, we don't expect you to do it all in a day. And the rest of you should know, I don't think it accidental at all that we came upon Sandra, or vice-versa. I really believe it was Divinely intended. |
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wayoutwalt Member Elite
since 1999-06-22
Posts 4870TEXAS (it's all big) |
if only Robert Burns wasn't a poet and Walt Disney wasn't the spawn of satan that it is today... |
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Sunshine
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An update: quote: |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Karilea, I got the same one from her, saying something about her using webtv. Didn't really understand that one. But anyhow, I believe I told her, I granted permission, and they didn't have to take mine down. |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Hi all! Last night I was thinking to myself that I am glad that all of this happened! I always say that everything in life happens for a reason and sometimes the reasons are very good! I am so happy to have this opportunity to get to know all of you! I am going to post a poem as soon as I finish this....I feel kinda nervous about it...kinda silly since I've posted lots of my writing on my web site!! but I'm afraid my stuff pales in comparison to all of your wonderful poems! Oh well...lol...here goes! |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Sandra don't be nervous here! We're all a bunch of people who pour out our heart on paper. I'm sure you'll be welcomed with open arms! Glad to hear you're gonna stick around Welcome! Looking forward to that first poem. |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
I agree with you, Sandra. All things do happen for a reason, though we may not always understand the why. Once you catch your breath, take a good look around. This place is a LOT bigger than it was even a few months ago, with 5 distinct main categories, all with their own subcategories. I think you'll like what you see. Ron has put a lot of himself into this site, as have all the members. And, if your fresh eyes see something that could be improved upon, don't hesitate to drop a note in the Suggestion Box. In other news, I've finished sending off the rest of the emails. Now, I've just got to wait. Ron, I bcc'd one of em to you....for the site I posted earlier where no credit was given at all. I'll see what transpires, as well as keeping ya'll posted. Added: Got an email from bianca.com. Looks like this one is gonna get resolved quickly. [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-05-2001).] |
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Munda Member Elite
since 1999-10-08
Posts 3544The Hague, The Netherlands |
Dang! I should know better than to speak Dutch, write English and be upset at the same time! Instead of hitting "submit" I closed the window...grrr. Ok, I can do it again. LOL I have found several links to poems I was not aware off. http://www.postcardsfrombeyond.com/send_a_friend/love_walkwithme.html Someone turned my poem into a greeting card without asking permission, not linking back to PIP. I have found an email address under "feedback", but I wonder if this will do me any good. Any suggestions anyone? http://www.angelfire.com/oh4/Spiritsss/WalkWithMe.html This person mentions my name but had the nerve to alter a line in the poem! Grrr... no email... no guestbook! What can I do? http://eli.prochatting.com/married_life.htm This is the person's own wedding page for crying out loud! And NO mentioning of my name! As I cannot find an email address, this person will feel quite embarrassed the next time he reads his guestbook! (After I cooled off though )http://www.august25wedding.homestead.com/august25wedding.html Another wedding page! This person doesn't only NOT mention my name, but also left out a verse and altered another! Can you see steam coming out my my ears? Well, found an email address and guestbook, but I will be polite and email first. The other 2 links I could not access. I will list them here. If anyone can access them and give me some info on these pages I'd be most grateful. http://www.pathetic.org/detail/968637395 (LOL that name made me curious!) Poem: Gift of the Seagull http://www.goplay.com/Special_K-TheWayYouLoveMe Poem:Walk With Me Thanks guys... I need to cool off now first... Munda |
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Jesse Jaymz Senior Member
since 2000-01-24
Posts 708Youngstown, ohio |
just did my search. i am dead. i died in 1882 in..... wait thats jesse JAMES. ohhhh look at this i am the lead singer for a band named metallica...... no wait thats jaymz HETFIELD. ohhhhhhh look at this. its me, damn thats my passions profile. and a guest book i signed a year back. damn no one likes me. i am crushed. no one will copy me. eheheh. but nothing on me so far. anyone finds ME let ME know where I am. hey cabin fever has me. we got alot of snow so sorry for the sillyness. thanks for pointing this out ali.rock on yall jesse ps. damn i am not a porn star. *sigh*  True beauty is often hidden in darkness... [This message has been edited by Jesse Jaymz (edited 03-05-2001).] |
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Munda Member Elite
since 1999-10-08
Posts 3544The Hague, The Netherlands |
Hmm I just found out "pathetic.org" somehow pathetically lost their poetry overnight. Justice! [This message has been edited by Munda (edited 03-05-2001).] |
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Acies
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Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
Sandra --- don't worry to much about you poems. I'm sure everyone would appreciate it. "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S. |
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Marge Tindal
since 1999-11-06
Posts 42384Florida's Foreverly Shores |
And another SUCCESS story ! -----Original Message----- From: Marge Tindal [mailto:noles1@totcon.com] Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2001 16:54 To:jimloy@icx.net Cc:abuse@WORLDNIC.NET-namehost@WORLDNIC.COM Subject:Re:Copyright Violations Can you produce evidence given to you to use two of my poems on your site ? All rights to my poetry are reserved by ME and not distributed to you for worldwide, copyright,royalty-free usage. I respectfully request that you remove my Copyright material from your site -immediately. ~*Marge Tindal*~ http://user.icx.net/~jimloy/r73.htm http://user.icx.net/~jimloy/r28.htm WHOIS information for freebirthdaypoems.com: Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC. Organization: JIM LOY address: 1155 mehaffey rd KNOXVILLE,TN 37931 US Admin contact:JIM LOY email:no.valid.email@WORLDNIC.NET phone:423-945-2690 fax: Tech contact:WorldNIC Name Host email:namehost@WORLDNIC.COM phone:888-642-9675 fax: Nameservers:ns15.worldnic.com ns16.worldnic.com ========================================= Sure, sorry about that.. Thanks, James Loy 1155 Mehaffey Rd Knoxville TN, 37931 Jimloy@icx.net www.jim.loy.com 865-945-2690 ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~ noles1@totcon.com |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Yawp...they is GONE, Marge. Got repeated 404's on both of those links. Way to go, hon! |
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Balladeer
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since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
Thanks to Alicat for finding Small Pain in my Chest on this webpage.. http://dhelton.viainternethosting.com/_vti_bin/shtml.exe/contact.htm I have sent the, er, gentleman an e-mail. Should he not answer I tracked down his address and phone number and may have to speak to him in a more personal way |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Mike, you may want to search for 'Robot' too.. and when someone finds a site like Mike did, we all need to take some time to look at it to see if we recognize any of the poems. You never know, something may have been missed by the search or someone could change a couple of words that would negate the search. |
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Marge Tindal
since 1999-11-06
Posts 42384Florida's Foreverly Shores |
I am having a GOOD night ! ! Hello Jean~ Your pages are lovely. The page featuring my poem 'Dream A Little Dream Of Me' is certainly a lovely setting for my thoughts. http://www.geocities.com/oceans818/sweetdreams.html I would, however, like a link back to my e-mail address for those who might like to send me a message about my poetry. I'd also like the fact mentioned that I've given you permission to use my poem and that it is Copyrighted by me and all rights are reserved by me. If anyone wishes to use my poem for their web page they need to contact me directly. Thank you so much. ~*Marge Tindal*~ ============================================= Hello Marge: I was so happy you contacted me re that lovely poem on Sweet Dreams. I will be more than happy to add a link to your email address and site and note that it is copyrighted and I have your permission to use it. I couldn't remember where I had downloaded it from or would have done this sooner. I always hope Poet's who find their poems on my web pages will contact me so I can give them the credit for it. I do whenever I have the information. Please forgive me for not having done this sooner. Thank you so much for contacting me and given me your permission to use your work. Please come back for another visit soon. Regards. Jean ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~ noles1@totcon.com |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
HELP ME! I sent out an email and got one back. Right now I'm PISSED! What audacity some people have, I tell ya! I don't have a reply to this yet. I don't know if I have the right "people" skills right now. I know I don't, cause what I want to say would be edited out. LOL Here's the email I sent: Hi, I was doing a search on my poetry today, and came to your site. I see someone by the name of "goofy," borrowed my poem "Look Within" and posted it on your board. I have to give applause as they actually did give me, the author, credit to the poem. However, permission was not asked of me to use it, nor was a link provided to where they found it from. Passions in Poetry I would appreciate if this member was notified of that, and asked NOT to post poems of another author unless permission was asked to do so. That is a violation of copyright laws, and I wish for my poem to be removed IMMEDIATELY! Thank you, WhtDove Now here's the reply I got back: quote: Ron, help me with this please!? |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
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I can give it a shot, Rebecca. But I need the URL first. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Ron I've been searching for it. I can't seem to find it anywhere. It was a poetry board, I thought I had posted the url in here somewhere, and went back to look and I don't see it. I know it had latina barbie in it. Soon as I can find it, I'll put it here. Thanks Ron! |
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Denise
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since 1999-08-22
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I did an exhaustive search for my poems by name and first line, etc...nothing...I'm feeling kind of left out...  Doesn't anybody like my stuff? Sandra, could you use another poem on your site? I'd be honored! Really. I think that would be cool! |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
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Ron, I finally found the page it was on, but it seems it's disappeared. Go figure... Here's the link anyhow. http://pub2.ezboard.com/flatinabarbiesmessageboardpoetrystories.showMessage?topicID=261.topic I think her attitude is the one that needs adjusting. quote: |
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Severn Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-17
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Tell her to go get a life hon heh it's not like she is expecting people skills from you is it now? HAHAHA... at her too! |
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Elizabeth Cor Senior Member
since 2000-10-13
Posts 879Over the river and through the woods |
*blinks* WhtDove I'm pissed just reading that... and it's not even directed at me... omg WHAT a friggin' MORON, WHAT. A. (opps can't say that ) |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
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Becky, would you mind forwarding me the orginal email from this, uh, Admin? |
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Elizabeth
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Everyone check here: http://www.dreamersreality.com/Poems/others/mac-auntie.htm This is one of the places someone is trying to pass of my work as his. I suggest you look through Mr. Cohen's 'works' and see if you recognize any of them. |
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Elizabeth
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Oh, and look at this one: quote: and then compare it to this one: http://netpoets.com/poems/friends/0227001.htm I can't do much about it, as Vanessa did not really copy it, but they're awfully similar....*sigh* |
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insect Senior Member
since 2000-04-22
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Plagiarism- 1) Act of plagiarizing 2) The product of plagiarism Plagiarize- To adopt and reproduce as one’s own, to appropriate to one’s own use, and incorporate in one’s own work, without acknowledgement, the ideas of others, passages from their writings |
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Poet deVine
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This is Mr. Cohen's copyright verbiage: quote: I hope you leave a message on the site about these - even the one that was 'used' and changed. |
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Munda Member Elite
since 1999-10-08
Posts 3544The Hague, The Netherlands |
Ok here's the email I've send to 101FunPages.com and the replies I received... Uh I was still not cooled of. Hi there, It was brought to my attention you have one of my poems at your site as a greeting card. (Walk With Me) http://www.postcardsfrombeyond.com/send_a_friend/love_walkwithme.html Since I have never given permission for such I am quite upset by this. Therefore I see two options to turn this wrong to right. 1) You delete this poem from your site. 2) Besides the mentioning of my name you place my email address + a link to netpoets.com, where the poem was originally submitted, + a link to my personal homepage - http://poeticmoments.terrashare.com -. At least people will have the opportunity to find out about the poet behind this poem. Only under these restrictions you have my permission to use my poem on your site. If for some reason you cannot comply with these requests, please delete it from your site, otherwise I see myself forced into taking legal steps. With kind regards, Munda Schram The Hague - The Netherlands I reveived 2 replies today: Subject: RE: I am upset! Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 04:59:23 -0500 From: "Calvin" To: "Munda Schram" Hi Munda, We usually find stuff on public domains and give credit to the authors. Unfortunatly, we cannot do anything else but that. It was a beautiful poem. But I will remove it today. Thanks, Calvin AND this one: Subject: RE: I am upset! Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 06:08:16 -0500 From: "Calvin" To: "Munda Schram" Hi, I have removed your poem from our site. Thank You, Calvin THEN I decided to have a look at the page where the poetry is listed and I think all of you who have poetry at the main site may want to have a look at this! http://www.101funpages.com/poems.html Recognize any of these titles?? Addicted 2 U Special love A Wish Confusion Depth of my Love Distant Love Dream of Me Dreams All So True Dry your Tears Eternity First Time Love How Could I Know I Promised You Key 2 my Heart Kisses Longing 4 U Love Love at First Sight Love Broken Love Friend Mirror Me Missing You My First Love My perfect Night & Day Pull of Moon Roses 4 my Love Storms never Last Sweet Dreams Take me or Go This Kiss This Night Times in Love Your Heart Watching You Whispering Wind Whisper of Soul Love Wings Wish U were Here You're my Light A Friend like You Friendship Always There 4 Me Angel in Disquise Arch across Sky Are U My Friend Best Friend Friendship Gift of Friendship Gold Good Friends Human Relations If ever u need me Beigh with You Mere Words Moment in Time My Angel Best Friends My Treasures Our Friendship Simple Thanks Friend vs. Real So Much Special Friends Stronger Side Thanks Thank You That Friend True Best Friends True Friend Greatest Gift Yes Marge there's one of yours and Kit's and Rosalie Rodriguez,Virgo, Anthony West, warmhrt, Nicole Choiniere, Tara Simms, Lonely Shadow, Earthbound Angel, Elizabeth, Hoot owl rn, Sven and God knows who else... Ron you may want to have a look at this, as it seems this person is raiding PIP's main site for his personal use. I feel somewhere between  and right now!Oh sorry for the mess... that's how it copied... Thanks Sharon for ordening that mess [This message has been edited by Munda (edited 03-06-2001).] |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Denise....I would love to post one of your poems on my site! I just visited your place and read your wonderful poems. The were awesome! If you were serious in your offer I would love to post "Come Share With Me" Let me know if it's ok! |
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Poet deVine
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since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Yikes..that 101 Fun things page has a lot of Passions poetry!!! |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Sure thing Ron. It's on its way shortly here. I'm still at a loss for words on this one. Having a hard time letting it go, and then not even wanting to give her the satisfaction of a reply. |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
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After running my search? Much to my surprise? I discovered that I am already a published author living in Montana...sigh sigh...who's life is it anyway...lol...and just forget running a search on serenity! |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
Hi All! I decided to do a search for one of my poems on yahoo and I found a number of sites using it. Only one site gave me credit and a link back. Two others claimed to have written it themselves. One guy posted it as an tribute to his wife and won an award for it lol! I'm afraid to look for any of my other poems! |
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Elizabeth
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since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Sans, I know! Isn't it awful? I can't believe people could do this...well, I can believe it, but it's hard. I've emailed two people concerning Forever Gone, but haven't done the rest yet....*sigh* |
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Elizabeth
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since 1999-06-07
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Sharon I left a message in the guestbook for the owner of the site. I emailed her as well, but haven't heard anything back yet. |
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Love Police New Member
since 2001-03-02
Posts 3All over the world and beyond |
 This is the Love Police… I am concerned about this criminal activity that’s going on around the Internet and I suggest that YOU take immediate action to make people aware that the original poets of stolen passages are seeking these criminals out. Justice shall be served!! sans38…the one guy who received an award for your poem, was that a contest? I’m sure the other competitors would be pretty upset to find out they lost to someone who cheated! He should be striped of that award, are you going to do something? Otherwise he may find his way here at Passions and do the same thing to one of our fine poets. Hi sans38 (Sandra) Hope I didn’t scare you! Ha! I am just another poet here at Passions that created this cop character to give my fellow friends here a smile or a laugh just to make their day go a little better. The Love Police can’t really take legal action anywhere because he is just a character bound to Passions. This family of friends at Passions also like to have fun too, so make sure you stay awhile and have some fun with your writings? |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
What a can of worms that's been opened here.  Ron, I'm sorry that this makes it THAT much more for you to have to deal with. Like you didn't have enough on your plate already. A great big many thanks (REALLY)... for all you do! I don't think there would be another place out there, where the owner cares so much about the people sharing his home. Or that would go to the lengths that you have to help us out. ~big HUGS, and many thanks~ |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Well, bianca.com finished fixing the problem, and I must say, it looks great. Doreen, I can finally see what you were talking about there. http://woods.bianca.com/shacklet/Tanaya |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
I just responded to an email from Rebecca at dreamersreality.com (see Elizabeth's post), and she is definitely pursuing the matter. She wrote me because she didn't really know whom to believe - a regular contributor to her site or a stranger she just "met." She asked if we could compare submission dates to see which author posted first. I pointed out to Rebecca (and am reminding everyone here) that the Response Panel following every poem at the main site includes a "More" button for reading more poetry by the same author. And included on the Author's Page is the exact date the poem was submitted to Passions. When you're emailing these people, it might be prudent to include a link to your Author's page as well, so they can see that date. I think it's also a little more convincing when you can include a precise date in your letter, rather than an approximate one. BTW, Rebecca sounds like a very nice person, who just wants to do the right thing. |
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sans38 Member
since 2001-03-03
Posts 117Westland, Michigan |
OH MAN I just did another search and hit the mother load so to speak. I ran the first line of a poem of mine and when I went to the site found not only 3 of my poems but 7 pages of lists of poems I have read at the Passions main site. this is the url of the page I started at with my poem http://library.lovingyou.com/poetry/24/24602.shtml then I just followed the link for more poems by this author http://library.lovingyou.com/utils/poetry.cgi?val=Goldene I could not believe that there was 135 poems this woman claimed to have written! Perhaps she did write some of them but I know the majority of them were stolen from others. |
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Ron
Administrator
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
> Hello, > > Thanks for your patience. > > It looks like the admin of the board has already responded to your > request. Let us know if you still need help. > > If you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me anytime. > > Sincerely, > > Jeff Levy > Helpdesk Administrator Thanks for the follow-up, Jeff. Yes, the admin of the board removed the plagiarized work when one of the poets posted a response to her OWN poem. :-) I certainly appreciate your quick response. I'm writing again because many of our poets have recently started using search engines to find instances of "borrowed" work, and the ezboard system seems to come up fairly frequently. So far, our poets have had little difficulty getting their poetry removed, but they are complaining about the attitude they are seeing. I know your TOS includes this language: "You agree to not use the Service to: …infringe the rights of any third party, including but not limited to intellectual property rights and privacy or publicity rights," but we're finding that some of your people apparently don't understand what they have agreed to follow. For example, Tempered Steel < Grabowms@aol.com > at the Steelville board mentioned in my previous email, responded with the following (copied verbatim) : "Copy rights... on the Internet, as long as proper author identification is given, (or as best can be achieved) I believe it is not a copy right violation, but will admit, it is pushing it. It falls under public domain." This person obviously doesn't understand that something published with proper accreditation, and especially with a copyright notice, is NEVER in the public domain (at least not for the next 70+ years). We appreciate that Tempered Steel removed the poetry, and we know he can't be expected to recognize everything his members post as original or stolen, but we do not appreciate him trying to argue the laws involved. His ignorance of what constitutes intellectual property rights suggests a problem that, while resolved for now, will only result in further violations. The admin of this ezboard was polite and helpful, but should be made aware of his responsibilities. The admin at LatinaBarbie < http://server3.ezboard.com/blatinabarbiesmessageboard.html > was equally ignorant of the laws involved, but considerably less polite. Michelle Curiel's < michelle@latinabarbie.com > response to one of our poets was: "I have no problem deleting your poem, as it does not affect me and i'm sure people on my board will not miss it either. This is the first time I even see your poem. Can I have the link to where this poem is at so I can delete it "IMMEDIATELY!" "I understand you have your rights, but as much as you have your rights, people have the right to post things such as poems they have found on the internet on boards, etc. It is not as if he is using your poem for money. And it is not as if he is using your poem on a website. It clearly states '(c) 1999-2000 WhtDove Please respect the rights of the author and Passions in Poetry. If you would like to use this poem on your own web page, please use the Mark button. Thank you.' "They said webpage, not message board. They are two different things. If you don't want people copying your poems, then i suggest you not post them on the internet!" Jeff, we don't expect your users to be lawyers, but we do expect them to be aware of their responsibilities. We don't expect them to be omnipotent, but we do expect compliance and common courtesy. Passions in Poetry gets just shy of two million visitors a month, and all of our poets KNOW their poetry is going to be shared by many - but nonetheless wish to maintain control over where and when that sharing takes place. That's their right. The admins of your software have agreed, through your Terms of Service, to support that right. I think your company has a responsibility to insure they understand what that means. While ezboard might wish for the traffic of Napster, I'm sure you don't want the reputation. Thanks for listening, Jeff. I will soon be adding software to Passions so that any of our poets or visitors can report copyright violations for follow-up activity, and I hope I can count on your help should the ezboard name again surface. One of our writers has expressed an interest in putting together an article for our newsletter and, with your permission, I would like to give her your name as a contact. I'm sure everyone would like to know your company's official stance on matter of this nature. Again, thanks for your time, and I hope I've helped make you aware of a serious problem. Ron Carnell Passions in Poetry http://netpoets.com/ The above letter just went out to the EZBoard company, with carbon copies sent to both of the admins mentioned (so they know they're busted). Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go write some software for the promised copyright violation reporting system. And one of you needs to get started on our newsletter article. |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Yay Ron!!! You are so incredibly diplomatic and firm all in the same breath ... amazing! Thank you so much for helping us all out. It is very much appreciated. I'm so glad Alicat suggested the template idea, it looks like you're expanding it into something exceptional. Can't wait to see what you come up with ... this is terrific, thank you! [This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 03-06-2001).] |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Ron thank you SO much!!!!!! You've done so much better with this than I ever would have. God bless ya a thousand times over! |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
I'm putting together an article for the newsletter...but will wait a few days to finalize it. Right now, I've got about 4 pages!! LOL |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
Yes, Sandra, you certainly may!! Can't wait to see it!! Thanks again!! |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
SIGH...... WE ARE THE LIGHT - http://www.pathetic.org/detail/957927031/ Josh Hamilton (removed) - http://matec.polito.it/~emilyesp/words1.htm no credit given - still posted - E-mail:emilyesp@yahoo.com SYMBIOSIS = www.angelfire.com/oh2/Batman/ Batboy SERENADES http://community-2.webtv.net/kty-kty/Wileypawprints/ credit given MAGIC'SonNet http://board.dserver.org/d/deedi/00000041.html credit given SOLITUDE http://www.home.thirdage.com/friendship/irishgrrl/solitude.html credit given & linked properly |
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Dream-eagle Junior Member
since 2001-03-07
Posts 34Indiana, USA |
Hi fellow poets, I am one of the owners of a web site found to have a plagarized poem on it. This one was a pretty obvious plagerism not just a simple sharing of someones poem. I will also add I have removed it. I feel bad that it happened, but better that it was caught. I brought this same subject up with a newsgroup I belong to for their opinions and thoughts. There are a lot of fellow writers in this group. They are more geared toward short stories but their feelings have been very much the same. It seems some Website owners are unfamiliar with the laws and rules regarding copyrights. Your poems do belong to you whether a formal copyright with the Office of Copyrights is pending or not. Just putting your your words in print is enough for it to be copyrighted. But providing proof is where the copyright comes in. An official Copyright is not really that expensive $30 and you can copyright all your poetry in one lump some as a "collection" or "works of" or individually whether published or not. It lasts your lifetime +70 more years. It is an easy to understand form that can be printed out on your computer. From their website: http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/ My suggestion would be to take advantage of this for your own protection. You have a great group of friends here and I have enjoyed reading all your posts and thoughts on this subject. I look forward to reading more in the future. Your Friend in Poetry, Dreamer |
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Kit McCallum
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Member Laureate
since 2000-04-30
Posts 14774Ontario, Canada |
Thanks for understanding Dreamer, and for sharing additional information. This is very important. Prior to posting any of my poetry on the internet, as a Canadian, I filed with the CIPO (Canadian Intellectual Property Office), and have a Copyright Certificate of Registration, which covers a compilation of my writings. The cost at the time was $65 Canadian. It simply gave me an added layer of protection and comfort prior to posting my work on the internet, in anticipation of what we are discovering. For anyone requiring further information, this is the direct link to the CIPO for Canadians, where you can review the information, applications etc: http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/sc_mrksv/cipo/cp/cp_main-e.html |
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Nan
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
Thank you, Dreamer... ...For stepping forth and standing with us on this issue. Plagiarism is certainly the most aggrevious affront to a writer in any genre. Attitudes such as yours, in keeping with ours, make the internet a wonderful place to share our work with others. You clearly maintain the same standards of integrity that we do at Passions. I'd love to visit your site, as you have graced ours. Welcome, and do feel free to offer some of your own work here... We'd love to read it... Thanks again Nancy Waft every crest upon your destined sea. Embrace the Wave of Serendipity, Lest its elusive arcane ecstasy Refurl with sail for all eternity. [This message has been edited by Nan (edited 03-07-2001).] |
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Acies
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Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
GEEZ.... How many poems actually got used w/o any permission? "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S. |
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Elizabeth
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Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
There were a LOT, Acire. If they're only in the forums they're pretty much safe...main sites, however, are a different story... |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
OK, now I'm very very very mad! Ron, remember your beautiful Poem, Cyber Seas which you wrote for heather and I? Uhmmmm, I've just found it being passed off as her work by that goldene that Sans38 gave the link for. it's posted under "Internet Connection" Sorry I can't put the link in, but I'm very tired, very stressed and (did I mention this already?) VERY mad indeed. I haven't looked through all the poems yet, but I will be soon! *GROWL!* http://library.lovingyou.com/poetry/37/37397.shtml (there ya go, Colin) (Compare with original) http://netpoets.com/poems/cyberlov/0001038.htm A very angry Colin. Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-07-2001).] |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
and a little cheer-up message for Rebecca Did you realise that "Michelle Curiel" is an anagram for "I, Michelle Cruel"? Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Well Colin you sure did make me laugh. I guess if the 'name fits' wear it. LOL And to everyone else about 5042. I asked that my email be forwarded to this person, and asked that they write. They did just that, and here's the email I got. quote: I told him/her that were no hard feelings, and I'm sure the rest of us would feel the same as well. (hope you all don't mind I said that?) I also offered to help him write poetry if he cares to do that. I'm sure it would be good therapy for whatever troubles him. |
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Denise
Moderator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
Thanks, Sandra, it's great!! I love what you've done with it!! Just one question, how do I send it as an Ecard? I couldn't figure that out. Check it out, everyone! Didn't she do a great job with the presentation?! http://www.asandboxcreation.com/sharewm.html |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
That's awesome! Love that picture!! It's beautiful! |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Did some searches on goldene's 'poetry'. Results thus far: Ron Carnell's 'When I Think of You' http://www.maxpages.com/fatehaze/poetry untitled, false ownership, halfway down page http://library.lovingyou.com/poetry/38/38640.shtml renamed A Single Rose http://millennium.fortunecity.com/aylesbury/141/poems.htm Titled, linked back, but Ron, they done mispelled your name...twice. http://homepages.nyu.edu/~jw488/assign6/poem1.html untitled, unattributed, site owned by Jay Wong, of NYU. Sheesh....I think I'm gonna stop there. I searched 8 poems, starting alphabetically on her poetry list. The first one got a slew of hits, 'A Friend', while 'Addicted to You', from one of our resident poets, was found also on 6 other locations. That was the last one I searched on....my brain is getting tired of this.....person (didn't wanna break the guidelines) More later. Alicat, the slightly jaded Persnikitty Sleuth-type Moderator [This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-07-2001).] |
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Colin Senior Member
since 1999-06-05
Posts 596Callington, Cornwall, England |
Thanks for the helping hand there Ali When I get time, I'm gonna pursue that one of mine I found and check through the rest of Goldene's too. Has anyone tried using search engines other than google and found results that didn't show up with google at all? ok, off to the dentist I go Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan |
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Acies
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-07
Posts 7665Twilight Zone |
I feel sorry fow what you guys are going thru with all these other sites. I'm offering my help if anyone needs it. Just tell me what to do and I shall "So long as men can breathe or eyes can see, So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S. |
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Elizabeth
Moderator
Member Ascendant
since 1999-06-07
Posts 6871Minnesota |
Who's Ron Cornel?  |
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Alicat Member Elite
since 1999-05-23
Posts 4094Coastal Texas |
Heh..that got me too, Elizabeth. Well guys, I downloaded Copernic 2000 from download.cnet.com and I've gotta say that I love this thingy. Sure, it's a little bulky and is a little bit slow, but I've found a few of mine I missed before. It searches AltaVista, AOL, Direct Hit, Euroseek, Excite, FAST, FindWhat, Go, Google, GoTo, HotBot, LookSmart, Lycos, MSN, NBCi, Netscape Netcenter, Open Directory Project, Webcrawler, and Yahoo!...and that's just for web searches. Exact phrase matching, and groups identical hits together, instead of listiing them separately. This should make this project just a tad easier.... |
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Michael
Moderator
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-13
Posts 7666California |
Uh, PdV & Balladeer, In reading this post I was not surprised to see EZBoards name pop up. My question for either of you is, with whom were you able to contact at the EZBoards to get something done? A user there, "Nox", has posted one of my poems under his name... I have emailed the administrators, I have left my own personal message on the boards, and I have used their user complaint link to file a formal complaint. I have heard zilch. I noticed this user had actually won an award for his poem "Lover's Dance". Was this a dupe of your poem, PdV? Just curious if this guy has done this before. Michael |
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Poet deVine
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-26
Posts 22612Hurricane Alley |
Michael, this is one that may have slipped by me...I have 3 outstanding that haven't replied though I constantly am emailing them..if all else fails, contact their web host! |
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Michael
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-13
Posts 7666California |
Will do PdV... Thanx, Michael |
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