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Severn
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50 posted 03-03-2001 10:38 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

http://pub11.ezboard.com/fsteelvillethepark.showMessage?topicID=154.topic

Check this out...

now I was VERY polite in my post to 5042 - looks like the moderator of this particular forum got rather UPSET at having a member's breach of copywrite pointed out...

WhtDove
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51 posted 03-03-2001 10:49 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Severn I saw that, and if you look at mine he did the same thing. I checked out some posts there by the Mod's themselves, and they're using others poetry as well.

Severn
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52 posted 03-03-2001 10:51 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

beccy - I backed up your post by adding one in the thread that had Jamie's poem - and also providing a link for Passions.

Let's see if they edit those out lol.

WhtDove
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53 posted 03-03-2001 10:52 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

LOL, I saw that. I told Sharon they probably would edit that out. I'm surprised they edited out the comments in the first place.

Geez, guess I'm just spoiled here LOL
Severn
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54 posted 03-03-2001 10:53 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

So was I! HOW RUDE I thought...

how paranoid in fact

shrug
we will see hey?
Sven
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55 posted 03-03-2001 11:04 PM       View Profile for Sven   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sven

I'd like to know what name you typed into Yahoo. Was it your real name or was it your Passions name??

And when you did that, did you type in any other words to limit the search???

Thanks!!!

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To the world, you may only be one person. But to one person, you may be the world.
WhtDove
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56 posted 03-03-2001 11:08 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Sven, I went to yahoo and typed in WhtDove
and clicked search. I showed up of course in Passions, but also other sites I had no idea were using my poetry.

You don't need to do anything else but type in the name you use. If you have poetry on the MAIN site, that's where most of them are being taken from.

You can then at the bottom of the search page, click another search engine and search different sites.
Ron
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57 posted 03-03-2001 11:31 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

What you're finding, of course, are only those site that have, at least, attributed the poem to you. You might also consider searching for sites that have posted your poetry without even giving you credit. Instead of searching for your pen name, search for the first line of a particular poem.

You can also bypass Yahoo if want to save a few seconds. The results don't really come from Yahoo (which is a directory of reviewed sites), but rather from Google. Go to http://www.google.com/ and you have a little more control over the search.


Acies
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58 posted 03-03-2001 11:48 PM       View Profile for Acies   Email Acies   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Acies

I just hope they apologize to you guys

"So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S.
WhtDove
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59 posted 03-03-2001 11:50 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Oh man Ron, I did that, and WHOA!
A line of 2 of my poems pulled up more than I could browse through. LOL

Poet deVine
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60 posted 03-04-2001 12:16 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I just spent the last 30 minutes writing emails to people who have 'Lover's Dance' on their site, most of them without an author's name, but a lot of them had someone else's name!!! One did give me credit and linked to Passions so I let that go...I'm afraid to look for more.

And to answer Elizabet Cor...I was hoping people were decent and honest....
Kit McCallum
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61 posted 03-04-2001 12:34 AM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Oh groooaannn.... Ron, I'm trying google, and I'm not liking this ...

I tried some lines from my poems "Seek Not My Heart", "Mere Words", "What Is A Friend"
and "My Treasure - For Mom" ...

This is my poem, and it says by RG???
http://www.unsolvedmysteries.com/usm31006.html

These don't list me as the author at all ...
http://in.egroups.com/message/eritrean_youth/6401
http://luvutran.homestead.com/Poems.html
http://www.expage.com/page/nannashouseofhugs4
http://sfedragon.com/poems/what_is_a_friend.html
http://b-o-b.boltpages.com/bobsnotsobadasssite/id7.html
http://sfedragon.com/poems/my_treasure.html

Sigh ... I guess I have some homework to do.

I love it when people ask permission and don't have any problem with it ... but geez, I don't want to wind up as Ms. Anonymous ... now that's a lousy feeling. May as well take one of my paintings and scratch my name off the bottom corner ...


[This message has been edited by Kit McCallum (edited 03-04-2001).]
Acies
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62 posted 03-04-2001 12:42 AM       View Profile for Acies   Email Acies   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Acies

not that many of those in this world Sharon. What a shame ha?

"So long as men can breathe or eyes can see,
So long lives this, and this give life to thee." W.S.


[This message has been edited by acire (edited 03-04-2001).]
Elizabeth Cor
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63 posted 03-04-2001 12:49 AM       View Profile for Elizabeth Cor   Email Elizabeth Cor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Cor

Thank you, Ron, for the suggestion... I'm doing a search using the first lines of my poems now...

LOL Sharon... *grins* I meant that I doubted it would be a surprise (to you of all people) that Chris was a porn star ROTFL!!!

Gee, what other wonders will we find??? *wink*
Kit McCallum
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64 posted 03-04-2001 12:53 AM       View Profile for Kit McCallum   Email Kit McCallum   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Kit McCallum

Sharon ... I'm heading to bed, but can you either e-mail me, or post the type of wording you're using when e-mailing these sites? I'd appreciate it, thanks.
Poet deVine
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65 posted 03-04-2001 01:04 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

I will Kit...started out nicely. Then as my 'dander' got farther and farther UP, I got more curt.

Actually what I'm doing is emailing the offender AND the site host..most of them are Tripod or Angelfire.

I found one of Michael Anderson's (More) and cc'd him as well.

So far, I've only gotten one returned email, but there was a second one on the site so I used that.

Where there is a guest book, I've signed with a note "Lover's Dance is copyrighted to me, it's author. Please remove it immediately. Email to follow."

I even found a story that contained my poem..the character in the story was reading it. But at the end, I was given full credit with a link to my email address, so that too was let go...

If just the few poets here have these many problems, I wonder what the whole of Passions would find if we searched.

I think we should write something up for the next newsletter - what do you think Ron?
Ron
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66 posted 03-04-2001 01:50 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I think that would be a great idea, Sharon. I think it might also be useful to document some of the results we've seen here, too, which might help to discourage it from happening as often.

This is one of the reasons why I really discourage people posting "Author Unknown" posts in the forums. While I'm sure our people really believe the words are anonymous, there's just too much chance this same type of thing happened to someone else out there. All it takes is one uncredited post somewhere and all of a sudden the words belong to "Author Unknown." As you're emailing these people, it might be well to consider that at least some of them may have fallen into this same trap; i.e., they saw the poem without a credit, liked it, and posted it the same.
CocoBaci
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67 posted 03-04-2001 02:04 AM       View Profile for CocoBaci   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for CocoBaci

Wow, I'm floored at reading these posts and I want to thank Ali for sharing this information and everyone who also provided input on this issue...

I dunno what to say, I never thought of doing a search on the web under my penname CocoBaci before but I'll keep this in mind and do one tomorrow when my eyes are not as tired...

Anyhow, I just want all of you to know, that when I do surf the net I'll keep my eyes open for things of this nature and should I stumble across a scenario like the above-noted, I'll apprise that PoetFriend of my findings...

~coco~

Christopher
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68 posted 03-04-2001 02:11 AM       View Profile for Christopher   Email Christopher   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Christopher

What amazes me is that they pretend it's theirs. ?!?!?!
http://www.teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blank/ucstory3736.htm

I've found some that give me credit - and while I would like to at the LEAST know about them, I at least appreciate being given credit!  


OK - found a few more... I was really starting to get mad too, and I only found a few where I wasn't given credit!!!
http://www.bianca.com/shack/basement/sub/saferoom/posts/2000_Sep_13/503/503.html http://www.primenet.com/~artemis/lyimpoem.htm

Others might want to check out these sites for any of theirs. I think if someone doesn't have a problem plaigiarizing one poem, they're likely not to have problems with others.

C

[This message has been edited by Christopher (edited 03-04-2001).]
Colin
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69 posted 03-04-2001 05:06 AM       View Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Colin

for whtDove:

I looked at the first link you gave and explored a tad on that website. Found the owners homepage which has a guestbook on it.

http://www.inthetwinklingofaneye.homestead.com/MyHomePage.html

Hope that helps,
Colin.

oopsy, just looked on the guestbook and see you've been there already  


Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan


[This message has been edited by Colin (edited 03-04-2001).]
Poet deVine
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70 posted 03-04-2001 05:38 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Here's an index of teen poems on About.com.
http://teenwriting.about.com/teens/teenwriting/library/blextras/blextra106.htm

Chris cc'd me on his letter and they have responded already. So far, I have heard nothing.



Alicat
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71 posted 03-04-2001 06:15 AM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Heh...I see some of you addicts are also up.  

I had a nice little surprise. Found one of mine at bianca.net...well, the poem at least, minus my name, but not including someone else's, though I gathered one was inferred. Riding Wistful Horses. I'm very glad she liked it enough to include it on her page, but from her guestbook, which I eventually located and signed, asking that she email me about that poem, was filled with people loving her poem, Riding Wistful Horses.......

I'm gonna see if she emails me before taking other steps.


Oh, and Ron? I really like the new copyright notice at netpoets.

quote:
Please respect the rights of the author and Passions in Poetry. If you would like to use this poem on your own web page, please contact the Author. Thank you.


Alicat


[This message has been edited by Alicat (edited 03-04-2001).]
Colin
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72 posted 03-04-2001 06:59 AM       View Profile for Colin   Email Colin   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Colin

Well, I've dug out my Sherlock Holmes Junior Detective Kit and am hot on the trail! So far, I've only done a search for the first line of "The Dream" which came up with 2 pages from Google.

some silly poetry site which is a dead link

http://www.gedichteschloss.purespace.de/main.htm has got The Dream under "Gedichte in englischer Sprache"

Yes, it's very flattering to be put on the same page as Longfellow and Blake, but it would be nice to be asked permission. Especially as I'm listed as an unknown poet with no acknowledgment of my name at all.

Put me on the list to borrow the flamethrower please

More to come soon I'm sure,
Colin.

Suburbia is where the developer bulldozes out the trees, then names the streets after them. - Bill Vaughan
Sunshine
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73 posted 03-04-2001 07:02 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Simply put, only you folks put up with my writing, apparently. Under three separate searches [and I only used Google.com] by using both my pen name plus pen name and real name combined, I don't appear anywhere other than where I know I should be...

should that make me sad?...or just chalk it up to the fact I'm not as good as the rest of you? Hummm...latter, and I'll just have to work harder ....LOL....
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74 posted 03-04-2001 09:44 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Sunshine, I found this one(and I think there are more):
http://www.jaffari.org/JIY/poem_Circle_Of_Faith.htm

And this one:
http://user.icx.net/~ae4vp/whisperings.html


I searched Google.com using SunshineKRJ which is how you list your name at the main site.


[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 03-04-2001).]
 
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