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Brad
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0 posted 2007-08-13 08:53 PM


Well let's try this again, shall we?

Roger (Bronzeage)has kindly decided to try this. He's been around the block a few times and has a slightly different approach than Jim's -- all to the good as far as I can tell.

This, I hope it goes without saying, is not a substitute for Jim, it's an addition.

Jim is out of commission for the moment and I'm sure we all hope the best for him and that he can come back as soon as he can.

So if you'd like to try this again please sign up with Roger. Like before, he'll send me what's going on as a kind of check and you guys can take it from there.

I don't have time to respond to everybody's concerns right now but two things need to be addressed immediately:

1. If you're worried about giving out your private e-mail, I suggest you make a new one just for this conversation.

2. Please reference this thread (SOMA) in your subject or title so that Roger can tell where you're coming from and not delete you accidently.

I know there's a lot more to explain, talk about, but I have my son's birthday party today. So, please bear with me.

And help out Roger as much as you can.

Thanks.

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1 posted 2007-08-13 10:16 PM


I appreciate all your work, Brad.

I am ready to talk to anybody, anytime.

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2 posted 2007-08-13 10:38 PM


Welcome to the CA forum, Roger!

Not to put you on the spot or anything, Roger, but since it looks like you’ve been posting at pip only about three weeks or so, it might make people a little more comfortable about signing up if you introduced yourself and shared a little bit about your background and answered any questions that those considering being part of the program might have. Would that be ok with you?

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3 posted 2007-08-13 11:26 PM


I don't understand.  I thought people were still sharing ideas and making a plan for this; weighing between having this thro e-mails or having mentoring threads here at the forum; having it in this specific forum or having it in a seperate forum.  Is everything all the sudden clicked into place, without any voice and confirmation of the others?

I am glad to hear Roger is fully interested in mentoring.  But why not let the people share, think, and say what they think is best and most helpful for this first, before setting sail?    



Brad
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4 posted 2007-08-14 12:33 PM


Ess,

Nothing has been ruled out.

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5 posted 2007-08-14 03:44 AM


I'd be interested in getting involved in some way if there were threads in this forum.  

Just possibly interested if there was a dedicated "mentoring" forum depending on its precise format.  If it was locked to non-participants then I probably wouldn't be interested.

Not at all interested in private e-mail mentoring.

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6 posted 2007-08-15 03:13 AM


Not to put you on the spot or anything, Roger, but since it looks like you’ve been posting at pip only about three weeks or so, it might make people a little more comfortable about signing up if you introduced yourself and shared a little bit about your background and answered any questions that those considering being part of the program might have. Would that be ok with you?

That is not an unreasonable request. I have been writing most of my life, but only in the last 10 years have I produced anything I considered worth sharing. It was a long slow education.
Writing is a craft and like any other craft there are techinical skills which must be mastered. These skills not only improve the product, but most of all, they make the work easier. The skills are not difficult, certainly no harder than filling a notebook with half finished pieces, which faltered because something just wasn't right with them.
Poetry is in a strange state. Poets enjoy a social status just above street mimes. I suppose if poets began to catch people by the arm on street corners and force them to listen to their poetry, we could drop well below mimes. We need to be careful about that.
The great majority of poets write for themselves. They are an audience of one and do not need any help. This is a fine function of poetry and no one needs to deride it.
The small group of poets who write for a larger audience needs the help of other poets. These are the poets who rewrite and revise, always looking for the words to create clearer and more vivid image.

I think some of this is caused by the way poetry is taught to young children. We present grammar and spelling as straight jackets of thought and after beating tences, number and the plu-prefect subjunctive into them, poetry is presented as a form without form or rules. This is most students last formal training in poetry, unless they go one to be English majors and discover a world of meter and rhyme, which is a tighter laced strait jacket than any grammarian could tie. Slowly through the semesters, they learn the correct forms and can produce Iambic Pentameter on demand. What they learn most thoroughly is disdain for poets who have not been through the process. These are the poets who show up on critique forums, to declare a posted work, "generic" and then proceed to give their generic critique, which they know so well because they recieve a half dozen or more every semester for their own work.
In the end, I have learned one thing. The poem can be good, bad, indifferent or un-judgable, it pays the same. There is not much at stake here. The only consistant audience for poetry is other poets. If we do not read each other's work, who will?

If anyone would like to email their work to me, or post it here, either is fine. I will do my best to give honest and useful critique.  

Type II poet. Its worth the work.

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7 posted 2007-08-15 11:09 AM


I'd like you to beat me up a little.  Read my stuff and kick me around.  I have really thick skin and won't be offended if you don't like it, it makes your eyes bleed, or sends you into an epileptic seizure.  If it turns out to smell like Carphilly cheese, we'll commit it to the flames.
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8 posted 2007-08-15 02:03 PM


Providing everyone else stays out of it, I think it might be a real learning experience for all of us if you, guy and Roger, worked on something right in this thread. That would, of course, need to be run by Brad first. We'd get a chance to see how the mentoring process works and the benefits it has to offer. Just a suggestion.

And thanks, Roger, for introducing yourself to us. Just a personal note, read your tanka and I'm impressed.


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