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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
A lone figure runs Down empty corridors Haggard steps ring out loud Breath coming out in gasps Dark unlit shadows Are her domain Dressed in silver The only lightness in a sea of dark Running from all of being Going towards destiny Foot catches on an upturned stone Bites her lip in a frozen cry Not allowed to make noise In her untouched realms Her body falls on the cold floor She gets up in a slowness of motion To run again down the aisles of dark She runs always running down Empty corridors Looking for a sign of other existence Though knowing there will be none Shadows, darkness, home of the forgotten A space in which she is Where all the lost souls come home To forever run the empty corridors Running never to stop Knowing what her fate is Too far gone in what used to be a fable She immersed herself in her own lies To be trapped in empty corridors. ******* sorry this is probaly not that good. looking over it i dont think its that good. it just came i just wrote it. but please tell me how i can do better i want to really try to get better |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Rhia This is better I think. I haven't time right now to crit it in detail. I'll be back later. In the meantime maybe you could do some research on the net and find out the difference between an "abstract noun" and a "concrete noun". Maybe you could then post what you find in this thread. Regards. M |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Any thoughts on what I asked Rhia? M |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
ill look it up later. sry i can now. wut did u think of the poem while i do that tomorro it is 11 at nite for me now so ill do that after school. but wut did u think? |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
"ill look it up later. sry i can now. wut did u think of the poem while i do that tomorro it is 11 at nite for me now so ill do that after school. but wut did u think?" I'm sorry Rhia I am just not prepared to help you until you start to take a pride in what you write. When you ask me a question or post a critique it should be just as important to you that you write properly as when you compose a poem. What the hell is the above piece of verbal garbage meant to mean? [EDIT by moderator - need to comment on the poem instead of the poet] All I'll say right now is that your poem is possibly just about worth working on, but it needs a LOT of work and by the time you've finished it will be nearly unrecognisable. M [This message has been edited by Not A Poet (09-18-2006 03:39 PM).] |
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Larry C
since 2001-09-10
Posts 10286United States |
moonbeam, Let me go out on a limb here. Two seconds of research reveal this to likely to be a kid. So if we are going to demand explanations I'd like to demand one of you. Why would you be so crude in your response? I too find the cryptic abbreviations annoying, but say so don't be rude. I see a kid here who is willing to take a critique and that alone is rare. But your behavior is in need of some maturity, please. |
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Essorant Member Elite
since 2002-08-10
Posts 4769Regina, Saskatchewan; Canada |
"...all the classic signs of someone ..." Moonbeam I appreciate your care about criticism. But I warn you about publishing judgements on this forum about writers based on your judgement about how they write. I don't think it is appropriate to jump to conclusions and make negative judgements about writers based on what they write, but it is especially not appropriate to publish them in this forum. Our duty is to criticize POETRY, not POETS. That is the beginning and end. |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
im not a kid or i dont see my self as one, i am 13, also i was the one who posted in CA so if i can't accept that my poems aren't always great then i shouldnt be writing in here. Moonbeam is right partially, i do want to improve sorry that i couldnt look that up last nite, i get up at school at 6 and walk every morninng and i was tired and grumpy. i did look it up now though, absract nouns are like ideas and stuff like loyalty and love, and concrete are people place or things. anything else i need to do? |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Larry It’s ok you aren’t on a limb and I’m sorry if you think my response immature. It’s simple Larry I don’t care whether Rhia is a “kid” or not. In Open or any other “chat” forum my response to her/him would have been entirely different - here, if indeed “here” is a poetry workshop she or he is first, foremost and only an aspiring writer. I love to help aspiring writers. I’m not sure what you mean by a “kid” anyway. I have taught 10 year olds who frankly could write poetry better than most on this board and if Rhea is incapable of even basic grammar or spelling then she/he isn’t ready for a CA board. I don’t know whether you’ve seen the effort I put into responding to his/her other poem, here it is: “Rhea I'm going to assume first that you want people to read your poems and second that you want to improve so people will like them and want to read more. Think of yourself as an entertainer. Poets in olden times were literally that, standing up in front of audiences reciting their poems from memory. Poems in those days usually had a strong narrative quality (storyline), but were often incredibly lyrical too (musical to the ear), perhaps they were less meditative than many poems are today simply because they had to appeal to a wide audience and to do that they had to have immediacy and accessibility. Above all however they had to grab the audience's attention and for that they often needed originality - either originality in the theme or story or originality in the telling. I often suggest to new poets that they should think of themselves as old time entertainers seeking to grab an audience and hold attention. Believe it or not that often means avoiding poems centered around yourself. Audiences quickly tire of hearing "I did this", "I did that", or me, me, me. I am not saying that you should never write in first person, but you need to be careful if you do to take extra special care to make the poem original in the telling and in theme. If you don't then you risk the whole poem becoming one colossal cliche. And cliches are very bad because they are the surest way to lose your audience. People quickly tire of hearing the same old things over and over. Fraid to say it but your poem is precisely that. A first person cliche that you can read all over the internet: Poet sad, poet contemplating suicide, poet remembers ones she loves, poet happy again, the end. I would say it's very nearly impossible for a beginner poet to write a good poem on that theme. My advice is ditch this poem totally. There is little point in me reciting all the other beginner errors in the piece because the theme makes it unrescuable. I would love to help you write better but you first need to get yourself and your ego outside of your writing a bit. Imagine you're up in front of the crowd. How would you grab ‘em? Writing is exciting, but to most people your innermost feelings aren't that big a deal, and writing about them badly won't make them so. Instead think of an object, a pet, a landscape, a city, a pebble, some thing that means a lot to you. Visualize it clearly and then try and write just a very few lines about it but make them ORIGINAL - try and see something about that thing that no-one else has ever seen before and then express it in an original way - even a zany way. Don't be frightened of being weird, just do it. Good luck. M” Tell me Larry, do you think that is the response of someone who doesn’t care? Who just wants to destroy someone’s hopes? I asked Rhia a simple question before I commented further. Instead she/he pressed me for a response to yet another poem and continue to carpet bomb the forum with poems. As for abbreviations, I have said so, several times. Larry, these problems are less about my responses and more about the lax approach to rules on posting and critiquing on the forum. Issues I have tried to address in Warmhrts thread. I shall however apologise to Rhea and make myself clearer to her/him. Essorant “Our duty is to criticize POETRY, not POETS. That is the beginning and end.” You are quite correct I was forgetting that all criticism of POETS has to be in verse posted as a new thread. Next time I shall remember to write a poem instead. M |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
"im not a kid or i dont see my self as one, i am 13, also i was the one who posted in CA so if i can't accept that my poems aren't always great then i shouldnt be writing in here. Moonbeam is right partially, i do want to improve sorry that i couldnt look that up last nite, i get up at school at 6 and walk every morninng and i was tired and grumpy. i did look it up now though, absract nouns are like ideas and stuff like loyalty and love, and concrete are people place or things. anything else i need to do?" Rhia I am sorry I was perhaps a little untactful in what I wrote, but what you did annoyed me a little because I get tired of people bombarding me with poem after poem with the same old mistakes and never listening. I stand by the content of what I said however. Also I'm impressed by your mature handling of this and by your appreciation of the fact that when you enter a PROPER poetry workshop you become an equal with the other people here and they will treat you as such. No concessions for "kids" as Larry calls them. I'm happy to try and help you, though please bear in mind I'm learning too. Good job on the looking up of concrete and abstract. I have to go do a couple of jobs now, but I'll be right back to you in about 3 hours or so. Thanks for restoring my faith in humanity!! Regards. Moonbeam |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Oh btw ..check the spelling of "nite" will ya! |
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ChristianSpeaks Member
since 2006-05-18
Posts 396Iowa, USA |
M- The part of that post addressed to Rhia was the clearest, most concise instruction that I have heard come from you. I learned something from what you said. Thank you. Rhia - what M is talking about - as far as I can tell - is the traveling minstrel. this was a poet, musician, storyteller, news anchor who travelled around the country side during the 16th century entertaining people and making some money as he went. You could find these folks in England and France and a few other places. Their stories however were mostly about unrequited love and women. (Dirty little men). But they would write you a song for a few bucks and go along their way. Somewhat cheap artistry if you will. And the songs by Dowland and later Dunstable were very much the same in subject. So here is where I will part in opinion with M. I don't think that you should base your poetry on what you think others will like. You should write about what matters to you. And if people like it, they do. If not, who cares. But if you post it and one person says," yeah man - that was great." Then you have done your job. You have furthered your art. But again, read and re-read what M has to say. Very insightful. There is stuff that you can use. Work on streamlining what you say to create a story that flows from the begining to end. Right know I can't follow the line the way is should. Make sure that all of your imagery serves a purpose in the story - not just that it's a bunch of pretty words. we all have to work on that. Lastly, take the criticism with a grain of salt. We are only writers when were not at our day jobs. Oh and M, We are not bombarding you in particular. The last I checked anyone can critique. Bear that in mind. CS An artist's job is not to commentate the truth. An artist's job is to create it. -Dane Barner |
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JenniferMaxwell
since 2006-09-14
Posts 2423 |
Rhia, I think you're very courageous to post in CA where comments are not always the glowing (but often unwarranted) praise so often seen in the other forums. At first it can hurt when you're told your work is seriously flawed, I know because I've been told that many times.  But anyone who's really serious about improving their writing soon learns to appreciate an honest critique that can help you develop your skills and learn the craft.Every critic has a different style, some are sweet and nurturing and others are blunt and brutal. That's just the way it is, so don't take caustic comments personally. They are just the critic's style. Moonbeam, I've been posting at PIP for only a few days, but I've already learned a lot just from reading your comments. Thanks for taking the time to do in depth comments and teaching new writers like myself and Rhia what, in your opinion, poetry should be. |
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cynicsRus Senior Member
since 2003-06-06
Posts 591So Cal So Cool! |
quote: I would give you only a half point for that statement. In the end it really doesn’t matter what someone else thinks of your verse, but it isn’t finished simply because someone says it’s great. Nor does it mean it’s suddenly a worthwhile write. To expound slightly on a previous comment about those apple polishers who always seem ready to offer their trite comments: If they can’t tell you why it works, anymore than they can tell you why it doesn’t, then such praise is worthless. Rhia I commend you for showing the maturity to take criticism. As long as you are so willing to accept such straightforward, honest comments, I can almost guarantee you’ll improve. I say, almost, because unless you are willing to also apply what is offered, you’ll be no better after having written your ten thousandth post. M, I’ve been reading here regularly again since you’ve come on. IMO, such a “whirlwind” is what’s been lacking on this forum for some time, if only to cover up some of the fungal encrusted offerings which have been so pervasive of late. If you must carp: Carpe diem! ICSoria My Poetry Forum |
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ChristianSpeaks Member
since 2006-05-18
Posts 396Iowa, USA |
Cynic You are quite right. I agree with your correction. thanks cs |
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Not A Poet Member Elite
since 1999-11-03
Posts 3885Oklahoma, USA |
quote: But if you are writing only for yourself, it seems a waste of time (yours and everyone else's) to post and request crutical analysis. By definition, you really don't care what others think. Just write what you want and keep it to yourself. After all, you opinion is the only one that matters anyway. quote: I don't think I can buy that either. That kind of comment usually comes from your friends who probably write for the same reasons too. In any case, it doesn't really say anything about the quality or viability of the write. It is simply a good friendly "pat-on-the-back" by someone who knows nothing of how to critique. That it is no indication that you have "furthered you art" is clearly evidenced by the simple fact that the same quality poetry posted later will garner the exact same response. Other than that, CS, I generally agree with most of your above comment. |
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ChristianSpeaks Member
since 2006-05-18
Posts 396Iowa, USA |
(smiling) It goes back to why you started to write initially. I don't write for you guys. I don't think that you'd find too many writers that said, "well, I just came upon this poetry forum and wanted towrite for the fine people here." I would say most (at least myself) people hae an intrensic reasoning for writing. I post to get better. But I don't post for the masses. I don't even know if that makes sense. But, oh well. I get what you're saying. I'll have to think about it. Here's a quote for M- We read frequently if unknowingly, in quest of a mind more original than our own. -Harold Bloom |
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UseTheIllusion Member
since 2006-02-06
Posts 223In a state of limbo |
Not to give in to what some would call responding to "vanity poetry", but I for one really enjoyed this poem. Some lines could be clarified like: Running from all of being: ? Going towards destiny [her] Foot catches on an upturned stone [she] Bites her lip in a frozen cry I really enjoyed these lines, and can empathize with what I believe it means for you. To [I think you mean she] run again down the aisles of dark She runs always [always runs] running down Empty corridors Looking for a sign of other existence Though knowing there will be none Hopelessness, as a theme to the poem, seems to really come out in these lines. Shadows, darkness, home of the forgotten A space in which she is [is what? Please claify] Where all the lost souls come home To forever run the empty corridors These lines are a bit abstract, but I don't feel they significantly detract from the rest of the poem. Good job! |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Rhia Before I start I just like to reiterate what Sid said and commend you for your attitude to my words. “Kids” in my experience come in all shapes and sizes and I know several who are well over 40 - you ain’t one of them it seems. HOWEVER ... and it is a BIG however I’m still not entirely clear why you are here so let’s begin by clearing the air a little. Perhaps we could consider what Christian said above: First of all I wasn’t referring to a specific era of poetry but more to the tradition of poetry as a SPOKEN medium and an art form. All I was trying to do was indicate that you need to be thinking about reaching out to others with your words and thinking about how they sound. For instance when you say “rock” the very sound seems solid, short and clunky doesn’t it. Say it - “ROCK” - the hard “K” sound gives it a completely different feel to the word “STONE” where the long “O” vowel softens and smooths the sound. Don’t you think that the very sound of these words compliment what they might be? The hard jagged rock, and then the smooth water worn stone? I hope you can hear that because word sound is incredibly important in poetry. Try and think about some other words that have sounds which fit their meaning. OK THE REALLY IMPORTANT BIT IS COMING UP NEXT - PAY ATTENTION!! Christian also said: “So here is where I will part in opinion with M. I don't think that you should base your poetry on what you think others will like. You should write about what matters to you. And if people like it, they do. If not, who cares.” Rhea I want you to think about that statement and if after you have thought about it you truly agree with it, believe it and want to run with it then you must tell me truthfully and I will have to quit helping you. The thing is that you are completely entitled to do as Christian suggests, no-one is forcing you to do otherwise. But the fact is that while LEARNING the craft of writing poetry it is very nearly impossible to progress if you have that attitude. Maybe some extraordinarily naturally talented geniuses could hack it, but not the likes of you and me. What you and I would end up writing is mostly self-centered diary entry stuff of little interest to others. When you are a good poet with a collection under your belt or maybe only a few published poems, THEN and only then, Christian’s statement takes on a whole different meaning. Perhaps then, if you want, you will be equipped to plough new and original furrows of your own choosing. But only perhaps! Think of it as an apprentice carpenter. On his first day in the workshop he grabs the most beautiful carving tools in the workshops and tries and tries and tries to carve the wonderful piece of furniture he can SEE in his mind. After a year he is in despair. His pieces are, even to his eyes patently substandard and the rest of the world laughs at them. The problem? He NEVER LEARNED THE VERY BASIC MOVEMENTS AND GRIPS OF THE TOOLS. He never learned how to hone them or how to move his wrist with the finesse needed. Right now YOU are learning. You MUST care about what others think. If you don’t care, then quit working with me instantly. As for writing about what “matters” to you, in the sense that Christian meant it, i.e. what you feel all emotional about, it’s certainly NOT something you SHOULD be doing. If one of your practice poems happens to be about something you feel strongly about then so be it BUT it’s not something you should seek after. Poetry is a fantastic art form for expressing your deepest emotions, but again you have to LEARN the craft before you can use it to do so - even more so in fact when your own feelings are strongly entwined in the poem. In some ways it’s best to put your feelings aside for awhile while you practice. Yes, that’s what I said. PRACTICE! Experiment, play, try out different styles, copy more experienced poets, HAVE FUN but as you do so gradually assemble you knowledge and increase the range of your ability. That’s what I’m hoping to help you do! Don’t get all hung up on poetry being a precious sacrosanct art which can be shattered into shards. Don’t ever ever think that poetry comes from the heart or the soul. YOU AREN’T A POET YET - remember that. CARDS ON THE TABLE TIME Ok. I am happy to try and teach you what I think I know Rhia. Inevitably my own writing style will be evident in what I say to you. I can’t help that. It doesn’t really matter because I’ll try and focus on trying to make you aware of those TOOLS, and you’ll eventually find your own style and “voice” someway down the line. You should know that I write mostly free verse, although often with a lyrical (musical) slant and sections that are often almost perfectly metrical. I’ll have to teach you a little about metrical poetry too, that’s necessary as a basic grounding for free verse, which, although it’s called “free” is never actually free of our old poetry traditions. MOST IMPORTANT I’LL BE TEACHING YOU TO WRITE FOR AN AUDIENCE. It won’t be a particular audience, but it will be anybody out there who might like your stuff. This is important because what it means is that you SHOULD CARE about what people think about your poetic efforts. You need to listen to their comments in workshop and weigh them up because their reactions can tell you whether or not you are succeeding in what you want to do. ALWAYS say thanks to anyone who offers you an opinion on your poems, but at the end of the day it’s you who will decide the value of that opinion. RULES Rule 1 In the thread or e-mail. I’m going to try and work with you in this thread if that’s ok with you, but it may be that if too many folks start to intervene or comment it will get confusing. At that point I may ask you to go into e-mail with me, and we’ll post only the results of your efforts in forum for people to comment on. [Aside to other members of the forum: I know you have a perfect right to post your comments but for the above reason I’d request that unless you see errors of FACT (i.e. poets’ names, wrong quotes etc) you keep your opinions to yourselves. You’re not always gonna agree with what I say or how I go about teaching but if everyone sticks in their halfpennyworth then the whole thread will degenerate to confusion and Rhea won’t know who to listen to. If someone wants to start another thread discussing this thread then that’s fine of course.] Rule 2 Please do not post any other poems in CA while this is going on. You’ll get distracted and so will I. Rule 3 Please could you try to reply to each post within 48 hours and I will too. If this isn’t going to be possible please could you try and let me know with a short post - I will too. This could take at least a month probably more like 2 months. Are you up for it? Rule 4 Always always answer ALL my questions. It’s partly my way of monitoring that you are reading all the stuff I send to you. Preferably copy and paste my replies into a wordprocessor and then insert your replies as follows. Example: Rhia did you have a nice day today? >>>Yep sure did; strangled the dog before breakfast, then took my kid sister to see “Bambi”. Etc etc ... Rule 5 For God’s sake try and sort your spelling and grammar! I hope you have a wordprocessor. Seriously this is important. If you want to be taken seriously as a writer you need to use English correctly. If you end up being a rap poet or using dialect or street talk in poems that’s fine, but you need to have a good grounding in proper English. Another case of “know the rules before you break them”. Rule 6 There may be more rules later. I think that’s about it for now. First off, before we go any further, please can you reply to me, confirming or otherwise that you want to have a crack at this and agreeing to all my nasty rules! If you decide not to go ahead that’s fine too. No hard feelings etc etc. Later. Moonbeam PS The dog thing was a joke btw. Heh. |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Jennifer and Sid. Thank you, I appreciate what you said. M |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
Before I reply to Moonbeam, about the if your the only one who likes it , then your oppinion matters idea, I partially agree. I think if you are writing it in a forum such as this or even one of the more relaxed forums such as teen poetry, you should care what other think. If you don't you will never get better, and if you don't care then if people compliment you it was a waste of words because you don't care. You should have enough pride to care!!! You shouldn't completely base it on what everyone else says. If you like it yourself that is a step in the right direction generally, in some cases I think you may just like all your poems even the really bad ones. Replying to Moonbeam, I feel honored that you are willing to take time to work with me in something I love. Yes, I am interested. After all I posted in CA, I would like to get better. All of those rules work for me. As for the not posting more than one poem at a time, I will try really hard to remember that, that is reasonable but please have patience. Also, I hope you are prepared to work with the fact that I am going to school 5 days a week for 6 hours and getting up at 6-7 so on many days I might be tired, and more than a few I will not be able to respond. I will try to let you know as soon as I know if I can't respond. Is there anyway I could still hear what other people have to say about my poetry and still have you work with me and I don't get confused? So yes I would be interested |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
Ok, if I write other poetry and show it to you first, will I still be able to post it on the site in a different thread or other threads. I do agree about the stone and rock thing that makes alot of sense to me. |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
Ok, if I write other poetry and show it to you first, will I still be able to post it on the site in a different thread or other threads. I do agree about the stone and rock thing that makes alot of sense to me. |
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rhia_5779 Senior Member
since 2006-06-09
Posts 1334California |
Before I reply to Moonbeam, about the if your the only one who likes it , then your oppinion matters idea, I partially agree. I think if you are writing it in a forum such as this or even one of the more relaxed forums such as teen poetry, you should care what other think. If you don't you will never get better, and if you don't care then if people compliment you it was a waste of words because you don't care. You should have enough pride to care!!! You shouldn't completely base it on what everyone else says. If you like it yourself that is a step in the right direction generally, in some cases I think you may just like all your poems even the really bad ones. Replying to Moonbeam, I feel honored that you are willing to take time to work with me in something I love. Yes, I am interested. After all I posted in CA, I would like to get better. All of those rules work for me. As for the not posting more than one poem at a time, I will try really hard to remember that, that is reasonable but please have patience. Also, I hope you are prepared to work with the fact that I am going to school 5 days a week for 6 hours and getting up at 6-7 so on many days I might be tired, and more than a few I will not be able to respond. I will try to let you know as soon as I know if I can't respond. Is there anyway I could still hear what other people have to say about my poetry and still have you work with me and I don't get confused? So yes I would be interested |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
quote: If you are going to do this one to one mentoring thing can I suggest you do it via email, the last time this was tried (outside the Passions mentoring scheme) it failed miserably. Largely due to the fact that it’s hard to stop people voicing their opinions and offering alternate advice, even I’d find it difficult to keep my trap shut if you offered some advice I didn’t agree with. If you coach Rhia via email I’m sure the rest of us will be happy to critique any poems that result. Oh, and good luck if you do decide to go ahead with this – I always thought the mentoring scheme was a good idea and wouldn’t mind seeing it resurrected even as a one-off. |
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ChristianSpeaks Member
since 2006-05-18
Posts 396Iowa, USA |
Is there a mentoring program on PIP? I'd be quite interested if there were an accomplished writer who would like to spend some time on a younger writer. CS |
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Not A Poet Member Elite
since 1999-11-03
Posts 3885Oklahoma, USA |
Of course, anything posted here, poetry or critique, is fair game for all. |
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Grinch Member Elite
since 2005-12-31
Posts 2929Whoville |
CS quote: There was a while back. /main/forumdisplay.cgi?action=displayarchive&number=36&topic=000093 |
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moonbeam
since 2005-12-24
Posts 2356 |
Rhea None of what you say is a problem - we can work around your hours and if you are tired of course it's no problem to wait bit to post. Now then, Pete is obviously sending out the signal to all and sundry that this thread will be "fair game" for all comments. That's ok it just means that we will have to take up Grinch's excellent suggestion and do this in e-mail from the start. That will have the added advantage that you will be able to post what you like, when you like in any of the forums - except of course the poem we are working on in e-mail. I think it's a bit of a pity we can't work this through in public because I think a lot of young poets looking into the forum would have been really interested (i.e. Jennifer). But Grinch is absolutely right, if lots of people post to the thread it will become impossible to work with you. So I have a cunning plan, which I hope you'll agree to. I don't think my idea will need the consent of the moderator of this forum, and in any case he seems pretty relaxed about rules so I guess it will be ok. I'll explain in e-mail. I'll sent you a mail now just to make sure we can communicate ok. Cheers. M |
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Not A Poet Member Elite
since 1999-11-03
Posts 3885Oklahoma, USA |
Our purpose here is to discuss poetry or writing technique. If you want to discuss email then by all means do so but use email as the medium. |
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