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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois 
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Why are some blinded Just spiritually They cannot have eyes That were eyes to see For some did God say He put in slumber For their protection Sin He won't number It's done on purpose To help save their soul Sin in ignorance Will help keep you whole Some are not able To make that great stand Against Ol' Satan And what he has planned Sin in ignorance Is no sin at all It is to prevent... Us from a great fall [This message has been edited by WhtDove (edited 03-28-2000).] |
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erieval Member
since 2000-03-21
Posts 56northeasten pa. |
Dear Whtdove, I really liked this poem. I have had this discussion with so many different people from different religions about when babies die. Some say that because we where brought into the world in sin that we are sinners. I don't understand how an innocent baby can be a sin when it doesn't know what a sin is. Bless you, Erie "The grace of the Lord be with you all." - Rev. 22:16 "Oh that I had wings like a dove! For then I would fly away and be at rest." - Psalm 55:6 Erie |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Erie, the reason they say that is because flesh is sin. (And were born in that) But a baby is in innocence. They are not at an age of accoutability, so you're right. They don't know what a sin is. Accountability is at different ages, depending on the person. When they come to realize what it is that Jesus has done for us. When they're old enough to know and understand. Then they are held accountable. But a baby is innocent if they pass on before that age. Some though, and this is different, will never see the truth of what's going to happen. God said in Romans 11:8 God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear.) unto this day. They will not understand the truth for their own protection. |
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ellie LeJeune Member Elite
since 2000-01-10
Posts 4156King of Prussia, PA USA |
Dear Rebecca: Can we call this "denial"? For some reason this whole concept is new to me. But it is an answer to a prayer. This perfectly describes my mother. She's passed away, but I never could understand why God didn't answer my prayers for her spiritual healing. Lovely poem. Thank you. Love, Ellie 02 |
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Pepper Member Elite
since 1999-08-19
Posts 3079Southern Florida |
Definetly got me thinking, Dove .... Wonderful piece .... A soul that writes from the heart and shares it, truly gives a gift extraordinaire! Shannon |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
I had never heard this concept before either. I had always interpreted this verse in light of the preceding and following verses referring to the nation of Israel....that they had been blinded until the fullness of the Gentiles had been completed. I do believe that sin in ignorance is not held against us as the deliberate ones are, though, and that all sin is covered by the blood of Christ when His free gift of salvation is personally accepted. His grace is amazing!! Everything, with Him, is possible too!! Nice to see you writing again, Rebecca! Denise |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
I see I've opened a door...hopefully a good one. There is more than one way to interpret this. Why I say this is because, in Matt. 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. (That's saying it's not possible for the elect, or chosen to be deceived), by who? Satan... In John 12:39-40 what was it that Isaiah said, that's found in Isaiah 6:9-12 In 11Thess. 2:10-11 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie. (now if God send them a delusion that they believe a lie, are they held accountable for it?) For he has blinded them, for a reason... I don't want to open a can of worms here, and if you disagree with me, that's alright. If you'd like to discuss it futher, I think we should do it in emails. |
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Denise
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-08-22
Posts 22648 |
If God sends them strong delusion so that they believe a lie are they held accountable for it? Good question, Rebecca.....I really don't know the answer but it is definitely something to think about. And as you pointed out the bible states that the elect are not able to be deceived by Satan! That's very reassuring! Denise |
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sandgrain Member Elite
since 1999-09-21
Posts 3662Sycamore, IL, USA |
What a unique topic! Guess I can relate to God's reasoning much the same as why He doesn't let us see only a little bit of our future at a time. We aren't capable of handling it. Thank you for writing and posting this. God bless. |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Denise, the answer is NO! If he placed it there and then judged us because of it, it wouldn't be fair would it? And God is a fair God. Just like he can't intervene in our lives, except for the elects, but a free will persons without their asking for it. For if he does they can always say, well if you hadn't intervened and done this I would of done that...see what I mean? Mom, you're right. Had we known our life ahead of time how many of us would actually carry through with it? Had we known like Jesus did, how many of us would have still went to be crucified? [This message has been edited by WhtDove (edited 03-30-2000).] |
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rwood Member Elite
since 2000-02-29
Posts 3793Tennessee |
This is a deep topic. I agree that those that he has chosen are not accountable if they are blinded for a reason..maybe unable to openly share in his wisdom..because of some inept comprehension ?..Or their untimely death would upset the purpose he has put forward till a set time. Who knows..But children are his..till accountability as you stated. I believe this with all my heart. Also I believe that we share in the spiritual accountablility if we do not lead someone to him when we should. By our example, if someone turns away..Is it not like we ourselves turned that person away if we don't try to reciprocate God's truth? And are we not held accountable for them? Very deep I know. This poem leads to brilliance and study..which is what we all need! God bless you. Sincerely, Rwood |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
Regina, it's not the chosen that are blinded. For those are the remnant that God left that still have the truth! God protects those chosen so that His will can be carried out. We should live by example that's true. But you know the saying, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. We can tell people about Christ, but we can't make them believe. We plant the seed, it is God's job to make it grow. Though actions do speak louder than words. I've quoted this a few times, and I think I shall again. The group DcTalk says in one of their songs... The single most cause of Atheism in the world today is Christians...who acknowledge Jesus with their lips and walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable. There is much truth in that statement. I believe there to be spirtual accountability also. If it is meant to happen it will happen. I honestly don't know the answer to that one, if we are held accountable if we don't lead someone. But this I do have to say...I think if God wants someone to know about Him, he will send them across your path, and it will happen. Take for example, I've prayed about moving so many times, then to get there and not be sure this is where I should be. But think of it this way, if God really did not want me there, he could have stopped me to make sure I didn't get there...a house wouldn't have sold, the car would quite working, something...you see? So if it's is His will that it happens, it will happen. The scripture that comes to mind on this is...1Peter 4:8 And above all things have fervent charity (love) among yourselves: for charity (love) shall cover the multitude of sins. Read on to verse 11. |
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Stephen Jones Member
since 2000-02-26
Posts 53 |
Intriguing subject, I'm not sure exactly of all the purposes God has with spiritual blindness, but the context of 2 Thessalonians 2:11 is Judgement. Read verses 10 and 12 to clarify the meaning. The kind of judgement I'm speaking of is a willful blindness. If people willfully stay in ignorance this is no consolation or protection. Also another verse to think about is Romans 2:12 "For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law..." Paul was making it clear that the heathen nations would still perish in their sins even in ignorance. That is why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so important. I'm not limiting God at all, I believe that he can save someone who has long lived in ignorance. (1 Peter 3:19, and 4:6 seem to suggest that the gospel may even be preached in someway to the dead- perhaps those who never heard or understood- this I don't know for sure). However the glory of God is always in delivering OUT OF ignorance. To me its clearly not something to take comfort in, that's why Jesus is said to be the way the TRUTH and the life. We all need the truth. Though I do admit God has purposes in blindness and ignorance that are beyond us, and in his judgement there is mercy, I just never want to be in ignorance willingly, or allow others to stay there out of our neglect. respectfully, Stephen |
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