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shock gospel
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since 2000-02-02
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0 posted 2000-02-05 01:47 AM


Would I hit Him?.. you know.. Jesus
that grim and fateful day.
After all before evening, He'd just pass away.
He spoke of kindness, mercy and truth.
Would I hit Him point my finger and say..
how dare you!
Would I hit Him if He stood here..
and said I love you.
Do I hit Him self justified,
in the things that I do?
Would I hit Him in anger in fear or confusion
that my self rightuos life
was just an illusion.
Amazing Grace
how sweet the sound.
I'll prove it, watch My blood flow.
I love you so, even when you hit Me
How much?
Someday you'll know.


 

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WhtDove
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245
Illinois
1 posted 2000-02-05 08:31 AM


Sorry, guess I really don't get the point here. What do you mean by hit him? Blame him for our shortcomings or what?

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When you can't make up your mind
Which way is right for you,
Stop and softly ask yourself,
What Would Jesus Do?

Janet Marie
Member Laureate
since 2000-01-22
Posts 18554

2 posted 2000-02-05 11:55 AM


another clever poem by shock...I mean Stevie ...as Whitedove asks... this one is a little hard to draw a full conclusion on...my interpretation is you are speaking to another...to the one who does the hitting...and making your point with comparisons of gods love and forgiveness...
So am I even close??
Thats the beauty of poetry, we can read our own meanings into the words, and still learn from the authors meaning as well. janet marie

 Some things cannot be explained by verses that rhyme,
They are not measured by the commitment of time.
Some emotions run too deep to be described by words,
Forgiveness and understanding-
remain the most beautiful words ever heard.
Janet Marie



sandgrain
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since 1999-09-21
Posts 3662
Sycamore, IL, USA
3 posted 2000-02-05 08:54 PM


Wow!  I read this as , would I be one to put stripes on Christ's back?  An awareness that the crown of thorns, the whipping, the nails, the blood shed were all due to our sin or because of our sin and His saving grace.
shock gospel
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since 2000-02-02
Posts 33

4 posted 2000-02-05 09:00 PM


There are 10s of thousands of christians, who run to church week after week to be healed of sickness and ailments only to reappear the following weeks and months and years with the same problems. Hmmm.. Is God hard of hearing, or is it us who have trouble hearing the one thing repeated throughout the entire bible "Turn from your wicked ways, obey My commandants(Jesus) and then I will heal you" Why is the body of Christ so weak, crippled, sick and dying young? Is it the big bad devil, that Jesus made perfectly clear to us He disarmed, or are we continually, with our casual "thank you Jesus for forgiving me of that sin I just slapped you in the face with for the tenth time this week" keeping God from the.. I will heal you part, Maybe we should pray "Thank you Jesus for providing the power to avoid performing this sin presently in my face" and then walk away from the temptation. Remember the Word says.."IF"(not when) there is any among you that is sick.. and again "IF" a man sins.., there is a big difference between when and if.. Has the church forgotten the horrible, vile consequences of sin, so powerful that the hands of God and humanity had to be stained with His Sons blood, how much more do we expect to escape the ravages of sin as we causually sleep with each other(which by the way, in the body of Christ is the same as date raping your brother or sister), lie to each other and use each other for our own selfish gain, mean, unforgiving, ignoring all along that our flesh is turning green.
"Just repeat this prayer after me." Then you will escape hell, get a new car and a bigger house, you can come to church and dance around the golden calf hollering bless me lord.. bless me.. Would I have hit Him? Do I hit Him? I can only answer for me.. everyone else must answer for themselves. But Paul said it well when he said.. examine yourself, lest your religion be in vain. In other words, you'd better check yourself before you wreck yourself. I'm probably not talking to any of you after all this is a christian link, but maybe I am, the church is broken and God will restore it if WE will obey. Amazing Grace will keep us alive, not to the aquiring of things, but that we might
be saved from hell to the Glory of God. And I, at this point I'd have to say a more truthful statement for the end of the poem would be..
"I'll love you so even when you hit Me..
How much?.. each day you'll know.
The poem asks alot of each person who reads it, as well as of myself, the things it showed me about me, made me fall on my face in tears.
Now of course this reply is only a reflection in part and there could be much more said on the matter, but for now I hope you have a better understanding.
                           the shockster


 

WhtDove
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245
Illinois
5 posted 2000-02-05 09:30 PM


Well I don't know why you would think that we won't talk to you again.  I am all for the truth, and there is a lot of that here.
I don't beleive that Jesus disarmed Satan though, he's still ever so present and conniving. (Satan that is)...yes, people need to turn around, but we are human not perfect, and we will all fall short. That is why there is forgiveness! God does not keep from the healing part, when we ask for forgiveness with a sincerety he gives it! As for healing, it says over and over again, "thy faith has healed you, or according to thy faith!"  How much do you believe it?  And yes, (IF) is used quite a bit and used as a qualifier no doubt, which many people tend to read right over.

Even though you've said all this I still fail to see your point.  Are you stating that we are slapping him in the face when we ask forgiveness because we sinned?  IF so, that is the whole point he CHOSE to die for us. He knew we couldn't live by those commandments. That certainly doesn't mean that we shouldn't try. But all fall short of the Glory of God!

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When you can't make up your mind
Which way is right for you,
Stop and softly ask yourself,
What Would Jesus Do?

ellie LeJeune
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since 2000-01-10
Posts 4156
King of Prussia, PA USA
6 posted 2000-02-06 02:52 AM


It,s taken me a while to answer this one because I wanted hear andponder everyone's thoughts. For me, the bottom line is always, LOVE! Once I experienced His tremendous Love, in my heart, I was a goner. Jesus said it perfectly "a new commandment I give you, that you love one another".

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shock gospel
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since 2000-02-02
Posts 33

7 posted 2000-02-06 04:06 AM


please don't misunderstand, I don't mean to imply that Gods healing is not 100% available
I'm suggesting in wisdom that to live in that healing 100% which is possible, does not require perfect faith or perfect  lifestyle, but rather the absence of repetitive let me say that again repetitive sin that we (this is where the slap in the face comes) develope a casual repentance seromony for, sometimes with tears and everything. Yet, two, three, days, sometimes in just hours we are right back at it. When the very word repent means STOP what your about to do and TURN around, yeah were human, so was Jesus He didn't have a super human suite or angelic emotional armor, He just had a lot of respect for His Father and all I'm saying is we could all as a whole, as a body give God a lot more respect. Then I think His power would flow a lot stronger through us. Do the math if Gods spirit brings life, the level of faith is errelavent. If its Gods will and it is that we be whole, well, and not sick and since He favors none over another anyone having the faith to be saved now has the faith to be healed completely just like he was saved completely. So why are there so many sick?, take a look the lines are packed. The've been packed for the past 25 years I've been saved, thats a lot of "if's".
Now if sin brings death and there is alot of sickness(a bi-product of death) in a BODY we have to ask God "Whats up?" and if the only referance through the whole bible be it the Chosen Jews of the old testament or the Called from among the gentiles in the new..  and the answer is the same "REPENT(stop) and I will heal you".Then we have to quit using the excuse "I'm only human" God gave us power, use it! I'm not pointing my finger, If anybodys completely satisfied with the condition of the church this ain't for you, but if your tired of being sick. If your tired of crying alone in Gods arms about some sin in your life thats been there for years right along with some hellish sickness that for some reason just won't go away, I need to tell you there's power, it's free, alls God needs is your particapation. The Power and Glory of God comes when you look the enemy in the eye and say no I'm not gonna do it! It doesn't come at the end when your head is hanging down, beat up, sick from sin. That's His mercy and grace. And His Mercy and grace can't heal us unless we do it His way. So come on guys relax, God ain't mad at anybody. We can't reach out with healing hands to a dying world  if were sick. I speak from experience for I was the master of repetitive sin. Sin God Told me over and over to quit asking Him to forgive me of and stop committing the sin. Sin that brought over the years skin cancer as well as a large lump in my body. Sin that when I finally stopped God restored my body hmmm... I'm turning 45 today as I write this letter and I've seen the devil kick alot of christian butt even mine when I let him. So in reguard to your statement on the position Jesus put satan in.. be very clear. Those in Christ Jesus have the same Power to keep satan powerless in their lives as Jesus did, the unsaved are at the devils disposal which is why so many die daily and if you don't believe the devil has no power over you, my guess is the devils kicking your butt. and you need to get with Jesus on this one. May you all grow in strength and wisdom in our Lord Jesus.. again time is short and it's time to fight If this letter doesn't apply to you then you've made it, now reach down and pull your brothers and sisters up cause theres alot of them falling by the healing lines and it's not a good time to pretend everythings alright.
                   did i shock you yet?    

Lost Dreamer
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since 1999-06-20
Posts 2464
Somewhere near the Rainbow
8 posted 2000-02-06 10:49 AM


I am glad you came to find the truth and released yourself from Satan's hand. You always have to watch over your shoulder though cause that sneak tries every trick. I had my husband telling me yesterday that I am preaching to much, that I am beginning to bother people, I think he was referring to him mostly or the embarressment it might cause him. I got very upset where I was questioning why, but I knew the answer Satan was fighting me trying to break me down, well I went at him and told him to go away, and that I hated him. I asked why he had to be so mean of course he does not answer. God did though cause not long after my husband came to apoligize. We have to realize the more me turn to God the more challenge Satan feels he has, and that makes him feel powerful cause if he can win one of God's children over with his ploys he feels he has pulled one over on God. Now I would like to wish you a very Happy Birthday and God's blessings for many more to come.
Janet Marie
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since 2000-01-22
Posts 18554

9 posted 2000-02-06 01:15 PM


Happy Birthday to you too Stevie G!!!!  
its refreshing to see someone so passionate about their faith...and their life... it inspires others to do so...
take care, janet marie

WhtDove
Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245
Illinois
10 posted 2000-02-06 07:34 PM


Well I agree with that. There is a difference between sin and a habitual sinner.
That's true also, we tend to casual about it, and do it without meaning, or a real change of heart!
Repent in the greek...met-as-o-eh-o To think differently or afterwards, i.e. reconsider.


Well as far as having a level of faith, it does make a difference I believe. We have to have the TRUTH, for He is the truth and the Word. Just believing is not enough, there's much more to it than that.
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"If its Gods will and it is that we be whole, well, and not sick and since He favors none over another anyone having the faith to be saved now has the faith to be healed completely just like he was saved completely."
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This is true, in Matt. 9:22 Thy faith has made thee whole. What faith? Faith in Jesus, that He was the Son of God, and that He had the power to do it!
A lot of sick, one because of what we do, sin? yes, but also because of the pollution and the things in the world too. He also said not build one on top of the other, and we have done that also. That spreads disease.

God did give us power over all our enemies. He gave some the "gift" of healing, some the "gift" of faith, some the gift of discernment, etc...

Well, I do agree with what you're saying, but yes, we should look at Satan and say no, but God also excepts us when our head is hanging, for some of those have to go all the way to Satan in order to come to God.
And if we are doing God's will which we should be doing anyway, he isn't angry with us. But yes, God is angry, at preachers that decieve his flock and others. For when He returns he isn't coming as sweet Jesus, he's coming with fury. Though those that are with him don't have to fear anything at all!

Yes, God did give us the power over Satan and all his enemies. You're right!

Did you shock me yet? Nope, you didn't!

Happy Birthday by the way!!


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When you can't make up your mind
Which way is right for you,
Stop and softly ask yourself,
What Would Jesus Do?

Willem
Member
since 1999-11-18
Posts 139
Inverness, FL, USA
11 posted 2000-02-09 12:08 PM


When I first read your deeply moving and eloquent poem, Steve, I thought I heard Jesus talk to Himself about whether He should strike back at the people who tortured Him. Of course, He did not, but Satan was there to try and make Him forsake His calling. Then, Jesus told those people what they could expect for what they did to Him, unless they repented and believed in Him.
And He is still talking to us the same way as we crucify His remembrance in our days.
Sad, sad...

Willem

thumper4him
Junior Member
since 2000-02-06
Posts 27
Newport Beach Ca
12 posted 2000-02-10 12:32 PM


no offense to shock gospel but i don't think a poem should be explained.  That is the joy of it, you can write it to do one thing but it can be taken in a completely different way.  Personally, i need to share this, I didn't read all of the replys, too long.  I will try to keep this short(for that reason) I took the poem as would i hit him meaning, would i be happy with the answer he gave me on judgement day.  Would I hit him because i was angry or would i not hit him because i am getting that which i have earned.  The lord is fair and so sad to say we will all get what we deserve

 you can't make footprints in the sand of times that you are sitting down

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