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suicidal dreams Member
since 1999-09-28
Posts 343Toledo Ohio USA |
FLESH BURNING. BONES BROILING. BLOOD FLOWING THROUGH RIVER OF PAIN ETERNAL. THIS IS NOT THE HEAVEN I KNOW OF. WERE ARE THE GATE OF GOLD, AND ANGELS OF LOVE I SEE NONE OF THESE. ALL I SEE IS FIRE HOTTER THAN ANY OTHER, AND DEAMONS RED AS THE MOST RUBY BLOOD, AND A SIGN WHICH READS: "ALL LIES ARE BORN OF TRUTH....." ------------------ life is short kill quick |
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Michael
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-13
Posts 7666California |
Suicidal, I would just say that this particular piece in my opinion is much more suited for the Dark Passions forum where I believe it has already been posted. The Spiritaul Forum in Ron's Own Words is for "Poetry and Prose that explores the heights and depths of Faith, Love, and Spiritual growth." It's not that I don't like or understand this poem, I just do not believe it is appropriate to this forum. Michael |
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Ron
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-05-19
Posts 8669Michigan, US |
I agree with Michael, although I'll readily admit it's a judgment call. And a close one. My interpretation of this piece would probably come much closer to the Dark forum than to Spiritual. Of course, you could also post it in the Teen forum or in Open Poetry. As the number of our forums increase, obviously you get more options. And unless your choice is actually contrary to a forum's theme, we'll respect your decision (I doubt Michael would want too many "Mary had a Little Lamb" poems in Dark  ). But, uh, you really do have to make that decision. With so many people posting so much wonderful poetry, we really can't afford to have double-posting become a common thing. Like everything else in life, our resources are not without limits. If even a significant number of Members start posting the same poem in multiple forums, we're going to run out of space far too quickly. I would strongly encourage you, in the future, to select the single forum you feel is most appropriate for the work and post it there. |
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suicidal dreams Member
since 1999-09-28
Posts 343Toledo Ohio USA |
Im sorry. To me though I think it does belong here since it is a belief, THOUGH IM NOT A SATANIST as many may think I believe in both God and the devil though throughout my life more bad things have happened than good and that is what this reflects. sorry if people find this piece wrong in here cause so many Are of Christian faith but me I am more of an Athiast ------------------ life is short kill quick |
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DreamEvil Member Elite
since 1999-06-22
Posts 2396 |
I must disagree and agree. I agree with Ron in that it should be posted in one forum only. I disagree with Michael in that this expresses a depth of faith which falls under the guidelines in the forum footer. I also believe that spiritual growth is defined by the practitioner of a specific religion. Question: If I post a poem about the faith I have in myself, does that qualify as an exploration of faith? What if I were a Satanist and explored that same faith in myself, then would it qualify? ------------------ Now and forever, my heart hears ~one voice~. DreamEvil© |
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suicidal dreams Member
since 1999-09-28
Posts 343Toledo Ohio USA |
To me that would qualify because faith is what you believe in not what others believe in or want you to believe in. ------------------ life is short kill quick |
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Systematic Decay Senior Member
since 1999-09-15
Posts 1301That place with padded walls and funny people in white......... |
I think anyone who has any opinion on this should visit the thread in the alley...however, I believe this has as much place here as any other poem. ------------------ Thinking is just what a great many people think they are doing when they are merely rearranging their predjudices. |
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Skyfyre Senior Member
since 1999-08-15
Posts 1906Sitting in Michael's Lap |
"Faith" is open to interpretation. Not all things in any faith are happy, hopeful, and uplifting -- inherent in every faith, no matter its origin, are consequences for the non-believers and/or sinners in general. Rarely are they pleasant. This poem explores the dark side of faith -- as such is belongs here if the author chooses. Ironic though it may be, the casting of the Lost into Hell will indeed be a Spiritual Journey, will it not? Just my opinion. And you know what they say about those. --Kess ------------------ You cannot choose the way of your death, but the path you choose will determine its own end. |
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Michael
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-13
Posts 7666California |
I don't understand fully what the problem seems to be here. This poem was not deleted, nor locked, even though it was double posted...I made the comment that I felt it was better suited for the dark forum, am I not entitled to my opinion. I will say this much, I will not allow this or any other post in this forum to turn into a "protest" thread. If you wish to voice your complaints, take them to the Alley where they belong. One more post to this thread that is not either praise or critique of this poem and I will delete the thread, as it is already in the Dark forum, anyway. Thank You, Michael |
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GOETHE New Member
since 1999-10-16
Posts 9Weimar, GDR |
well this is rather different. lol imagery could use a little work. you are trying to pain a picture of pain (it seems to me it is that case at least) and all I get is that it's really red. not enough conviction to really make it important. as most of the comments so far have been about what is acceptable and what isn't, that is something I will leave to you since I am going shortly. I only pray that, even though I'm STRONGLY Christian, this forum will be open to all religions and experiences in faith. Posting a poem about faith isn't always easy (as I have learned, it can be rather disastrous when you go about it too loosely) and tends to make one amongst the minority unnoticed or often criticised for their views. For example, post a religious poem in the open forum and it might get up to five responses, but it also depends on who has posted it (I'm not balladeer, though at time I admit that I wish I was). Suicidal dreams - though you say you are an athiest, I doubt that you are a true one because athiests don't believe in heaven or hell. they believe in you live, you die. that's it. but that's another post. one that should be in philosophy, not here. Ron - it depends on what mary does to her lamb that would make it's place obvious. *grin* I've got a wonderful idea btw... Michael - I did read your post, and I only replied like I would normally. I would agree with you, but I won't really be here long enough since this forum was created to feel justified in having a part with the rules. I would like to encourage you to possibly allow poems of different religional tendencies to be allowed in here though. every one is unique and faith alone in God isn't what should rule the day here, but Spirituality as well. Alot of people can believe in God, but are they Spiritual enough to follow him? consider that before you make any kind of precedence in this forum. thank you, my friend for at least reading my words, as I feel that you will. ------------------ "It is quite beyond me how anyone can believe God speaks to us in books and stories. If the world does not directly reveal to us our relationship to it, if our hearts fail to tell us what we owe ourselves and others, we shall assuredly not learn it from books, which are at best designed but to give names to our errors." |
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WhtDove Member Rara Avis
since 1999-07-22
Posts 9245Illinois |
I have to state too that when I first read this I believe it would have fit in the Dark Forum setting. I viewed it as a personal kind of hell. But it does state not to post the same thing in different running forums. Please no qualms here in Spiritual. If we need to yell or are upset please take it to the Alley! |
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Echo Rhayne Senior Member
since 1999-09-17
Posts 1495Canyon Country, CA |
Well, I am just going to talk about the poem and that is all...you write, "FLESH BURNING. BONES BROILING. BLOOD FLOWING THROUGH RIVER OF PAIN ETERNAL. THIS IS NOT THE HEAVEN I KNOW OF. WERE ARE THE GATE OF GOLD, AND ANGELS OF LOVE." If flesh burning, bones broiling and blood flowing through river of pain eternal is not your idea of heaven then where do you get that image? To me, that is an image of hell, not the heaven I invision, therefore I would not say 'this is not the heavem I know of,' because it is not. It almost sounds like you are saying that you went to heaven and saw this burning flesh and other things and thought to yourself hey this isnt what I thought, but you arent dead so that couldnt be. If you see gates of gold and angels of love when you think of the heaven you 'know' where would you get the burning flesh, etc. parts? Just curious! The poem itself makes me imagine hell, not heaven, ane with the image portrayed here I would not have thought heaven came in anywhere in what it visualizes. To me you are talking about hell not heaven and thats what I get from it. It is written well and very imaginative, but I just dont get how you are visioning all of this yet saying it is not the heaven you know of, if for one you have never been to heaven and if it is not the heaven you know of how would you even know that there is the burning fesh and so forth? I dont even think I am making sense here LoL. I do like the imagery in this though. Sorry if this has made no sense to you what so ever Im tired LoL------------------ ~*~ Time erases and rewrites all the lines. What remains is the poetry! ~*~ |
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Lost Dreamer Member Elite
since 1999-06-20
Posts 2464Somewhere near the Rainbow |
I am gonna make an attempt at responding to this poem. You gave excellent imagery of your deep dark feelings inside. It is sad to think that you feel Heaven as such a place and that you feel so many things are not pleasant in your life. Sometimes we have to give a little to get a little, other times we have to give so much more it feels unfair. We are in a world where lots of people look for instant gratification and if that doesn't happen the thoughts take over saying why try anyway God doesn't love me. I have had those times when I ask why, why, why yet it is usually when I am feeling sorry for myself I am not saying this is your case at all. What I am trying to say is there are many challenges in life, some we can handle and others where we just throw our hands up in disgust not understanding the reason this is happening to us. There is a bigger picture though, the one that God is painting of all of us here on earth and only when we get to go home and sit by his side will we get to see the picture he has painted. |
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suicidal dreams Member
since 1999-09-28
Posts 343Toledo Ohio USA |
Ok if anyone wants an explenation of why I wrote this and what it means PLEASE E-MAIL ME AT: THEFAMILYFOUR@prodigy.net PLEASE ------------------ life is short kill quick |
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fjones Member
since 1999-06-07
Posts 98MS |
A person will never see the heaven he "knows of" without faith in Christ but will live in a hell created by mankind here on earth; then after death will encounter the hell of eternity. |
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