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Allegorically Speaking.....

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Allegory is a figurative mode of representation conveying meaning other than the verbal. Allegory communicates its message by means of symbolic figures, actions or symbolic representation. Allegory is generally treated as a figure of rhetoric, but an allegory does not have to be expressed in language: briefly, an allegory is a device used to present an idea, principle or meaning, which can be presented in literary form, such as a poem or novel, or in visual form, such as in painting or drawing.

As a literary device, an allegory in its most general sense is an extended metaphor. As an artistic device, an allegory is a visual symbolic representation. An example of a simple visual allegory is the image of the grim reaper. Viewers understand that the image of the grim reaper is a symbolic representation of death. Another example is the female allegory of justice.[1] Such visual representations have raised the question why so many allegories in the history of art, representing male gendered realities, are of female sex.

Since meaningful stories are nearly always applicable to larger issues, allegories may be read into many stories, sometimes distorting their author's overt meaning. For instance, many people have suggested that The Lord of the Rings is an allegory for the World Wars, in spite of J. R. R. Tolkien's emphatic statement in the introduction to the second edition, "It is neither allegorical nor topical.... I cordially dislike allegory in all its manifestations, and always have done so since I grew old and wary enough to detect its presence." Many have also suggested that the movie "The Dark Knight" is an allegory for the Bush Administration's conduction of the War on Terror (the Dark Knight himself taking on the role of President George W. Bush).

Not every resonant work of modern fiction is an allegory. Arthur Miller's The Crucible, for instance, is character-driven historical drama with contemporary relevance, but is not an allegory in spite of its parallels with McCarthyism, linking the hunt for communists in the 1940s and 1950s to the hunt for witches in the late 17th century. L. Frank Baum's The Wonderful Wizard of Oz is plot-driven fantasy narrative in an extended fable with talking animals and broadly-sketched characters. J.R.R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings is another example of a work seen by many as allegorical yet, as the author explained, is not - rather it is an example of what he referred to as applicability.

No good book has ever been written that has in it symbols arrived at beforehand and stuck in. ... [In The Old Man and the Sea], I tried to make a real old man, a real boy, a real sea and a real fish and real sharks. But if I made them good and true enough they would mean many things. ”

—Ernest Hemingway in 1954



Now, for the uncomplicated explanation and assignment....

An allegory is simply a story or topic which relates to another unspoken topic. Star Trek was famous for working allegories into it's episodes. You assignment is....do it! Give me a poem that is allegorical, with an unspoken bond or link to another topic. Do it well and we will try to guess what the topic is that you are referring to. Stump us if you can.  I am not expecting many to make the effort but I appreciate those of you who do. Good luck!!
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This is a challenge.  I'm in and will try to complete the assignment faster than last time.  Thank you for doing what you do.



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Interesting challenge.  I am suddenly feeling inspired.  
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3 posted 07-29-2011 10:26 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Alison, I had no doubt you would be giving it a shot.

Michael, I'm very glad you've come back and in such style! Your participation is more than welcome
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Balladeer,
I believe this assignment might fit me like a cheap suit, it may require some tailoring, but I'll work on it.
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I thought you might have a vested interest in it, Moose
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Hope it doesn't tie up all your time though, Doc.
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Alison,
Looks like you've picked out just right "tie", to go with my suit and "deer's"
vest. Hats off to you, lol.
Doc
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Yeah, Doc, and this assignment is about to knock my socks off!
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Sounds to me like you both have had one belt too many....get busy!!!!
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Alison,
I'm sure your's will be a "shoe-in". Aw, keep yer pant's on Balladeer.
Doc
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Alison, stop trying to skirt the issue and get to work!!!!!!
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On face of great Mount Rushmore they should add  another one
Symbolically, at least, or so that's what I would have done
For who here could dispute the fact that our great "Balladeer"
Should not be on that mountain's face displayed on her veneer.
There's allegory at it's best I'd verify as true,
but then again, I'm just some putz, a'tellin' it to you'
Doc

[This message has been edited by Dr.Moose1 (08-02-2011 07:34 AM).]

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Ah, Doc, while I agree with your sentiments whole heartedly, you are simply telling things like they are (and should be!) However, I see nothing allegorical in it. could you point it out??
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Balladeer,
I'm still working on the actual assignment, but figured I'd throw out a peace offering after the beating I've been handing out to you in open, lol.
Doc

             The Duel

Two warriors brave, in combat locked
trade jabs for their own sakes
Yet still retain a friendship forged
that's not part of the stakes

Their common ground, the battlefield
where they wage war for sport
their armor rings from hammer blows
each deafening report

provides the spectators their thrills
vicariously they live
as these their chosen champions
each give all they can give

and then some more, it's all out war
that both may claim the prize
if you've determined what that is
then you are truly wise

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Aha!! That's more like it...allegorical, indeed.

Of course, when I think of what I'll do to you in such encounters, it should be renamed The Drool!
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Bring it on, oh master of words' I shall gleefully rejoin you in combat. We shall set the Earth asunder, let all of Pipdom
tremble before our might, or something to that effect.

Doc.
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Yep, yep -- gotta get this done tomorrow.  I will too.

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Hi Balladeer,
I read the explanation and I'm going to give it a go.
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Nice to see you, ebonygirl!!

Nice lines....tell me what they allegorically refer to, please
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Here in the Harbor I Stand

Here in the harbor I stand,
To the sea I extend my hand,
And I beckon to you,
Come, my friend.
But oh! I see you're different!
You wear a mask,
And hide your past!
But I see throug it, alas!
Be gone from my shore!
Go back to before!
You're not welcome any more!
But here I still stand,
Extending my hand.
And calling you friend.

~Arana Darkwolf~
An' it harm none, do what ye will. Blessed be.

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OK, Rachael, you did fine. Of course you are not standing on a harbor, nor extending your hand to the sea....but you make your meaning clear by using those symbols. Nicely done....
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Thank you very much, Sir.

~Arana Darkwolf~
An' it harm none, do what ye will. Blessed be.

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hmmmmmmmmm i may do badly but here goes

i dwell in a cave
don't come to close or i'll suck your soul
and you'll end up in a great big hole
don't come too close nor dig too deep
or you wined up in my labyrinth
filled with twists and turns
and absolutely no wait out
don't come too close stay away
for in my cave i can't be tamed
and you'll end up being lamed.

i wanted to end it a bit differently but i fear it may stop being allegory if i do

yolilitzli

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Interesting, too.  It is a good allegorical topic, using the cave as you do.  You will need to pay attention to the spelling and grammar, because misuse of it will take away from the cleverness of the poem. For example...

wined up should be wind up
no wait out....I think you mean "way out"
Lamed?  I've never seen that word used. It sounds pretty, er ,lame? I think maimed would work there, though.

I appreciate your joining us here and look forward to more of your entries.
 
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