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AlCowie
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0 posted 2011-05-25 07:53 AM


I've been given an exercise to write a number of lines of iambic pentameters - using:

pyrrhic substitutions,
trochaic substitutions, and
weak endings

I'm not convinced I fully understand what I am doing, so I thought I'd post here to allow others to join in the exercise and comment on the results.

Here goes!

The moths are eating all my woolly jumpers
They've already destroyed my favourite two
Munching holes that'll make them that much plumper
Like tiny flying cows, their cud to chew.

My clothing is the picnic where they mate
Champagne and strawberries, cream on top, divine
With gusto they spread the blanket on the plate
And raise to their lips a woolly glass of wine

But I've nice clothing so that I get some
Holier clothing doesn't work as well
Making me look as if I'm from a slum
A scruffy bit of rough, no pipistrell.

For some bizarre reason the ladies desire tidy
(Although they like a bit of rough sometimes!)
Though my credentials are quite bonafide
The holes contradict and they hear as the bell chimes

So I've to springclean, open all my drawers
Pull everything out, give it a good shake
Extinct all the moths, kill them, this is war!
Moth Spanish Armada? I'm Sir Francis Drake!

I can draw it out in "d'Dums", but trying to work out which of each of these is which is the real test! Let's see.

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AlCowie
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1 posted 2011-05-25 07:54 AM


So, I think what I've done is the below, but not sure which is pyrrhic or trochaic (weak endings I get)

d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'
Dum d'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
Dum d'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'
d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum

d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum

d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum

d'Dum d'd'Dum d'd'Dum d'd'Dum Dum d'
d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'
d'Dum d'd'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum

d'Dum d'd'Dum Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'd'Dum Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'd'Dum Dum d'Dum d'Dum
d'Dum d'd'Dum d'Dum d'Dum d'Dum

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2 posted 2011-05-25 09:04 AM


I'll check it when I get time, Al. I've never been a fan of Pyrric and think it is an invalid form. Take a pyrric followed by a long syllable and you have an anapest. Plus, having a completely unaccented foot makes little sense. I think Poe said it best, and he was the greatest master of form in history...

"The pyrrhic is rightfully dismissed. Its existence in either ancient or modern rhythm is purely chimerical, and the insisting on so perplexing a nonentity as a foot of two short syllables, affords, perhaps, the best evidence of the gross irrationality and subservience to authority which characterise our Prosody."

AlCowie
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3 posted 2011-05-25 11:40 AM


Thanks Balladeer.

I've doing exercises from an audiobook, so it is tricky to see exactly what is meant, whilst my "Poet's Manual and Rhyming Dictionary" (Frances Stillman) says the pyrrhic is a foreign form.

In effect, are you saying that there is no difference between a pyrrhic and an anapest or just the a pyrrhic can be described in other ways that make more sense?

Ignorance makes a man ask basic questions!

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4 posted 2011-05-25 04:14 PM


Well, it's whatever you want, almost. FOllow it with an accented syllable and call it an anapest. Precede it by an accented syllable and you can call it a dactyl. By itself, it's basically nothing. A foot needs an accent somewhere. Pyrrics have none.

I live on a hill near the lake.

What do we have here? We have...

i LIVE on a HILL near the LAKE.

iamb+anapest+anapest

        or

iamb+pyrric+dactyl+catalectic

so why bother? That's Poe's point and I agree.

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5 posted 2011-05-26 06:46 AM


A foot by any other name? Ok, that was lame, but I'm enjoying the exercise.
Doc

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6 posted 2011-05-26 07:36 AM


You have a lame foot, doc?? Sorry to hear it.
Alfonso
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7 posted 2018-02-06 04:20 AM


It's best to keep the mind on ideas instead of eter when writing poetry. After the ideas are written, then one can see whether the rhythm conforms to the chosen structure. If it can't be cast into a certain mold, then it is best written in free verse. Otherwise one might wind up sacrificing a beautiful concept for the sake of meter.
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8 posted 2019-01-19 05:44 AM


quote:
"...one might wind up sacrificing a beautiful concept for the sake of meter"
I agree with you, Al.

I wouldn't want to either.

...just bein' Bluesy

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