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It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's a Double-Dactyl!!!

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A dactyl is a poetic foot of the form >-- (ON-off-off). For example, matador, realize, cereal, limerick, etc. A double dactyl can therefore mean simply two dactyls in a row.

A double dactyl is also a verse form, also known as "higgledy piggledy," invented by Anthony Hecht and Paul Pascal in 1961. Like a limerick, it has a rigid structure and is usually humorous, but the double dactyl is considerably more rigid and difficult to write. There must be two stanzas, each comprising three lines of dactylic dimeter followed by a line with a dactyl and a single accent. The two stanzas have to rhyme on their last line.  There is also a requirement for at least one line of the second stanza to be entirely one double dactyl word, for example "va-le-dic-tor-i-an".

Ok, fearless students! Gimme a dactyl and make it a double!  A eight-line poem with the first three lines of each stanza comprised of two dactyls back to back, and the fourth line containing one dactyl and a single sound. One of the double dactyl lines in the second stanza must be one word only.

The first line can be gibberish, and often is, which is why it is referred to as "hggledy piggledy" verse. Other beginnings have been higggamus hoggamus, patty cake patty cake and hay-nonny, ho-nonny.

Here's a couple  of mine for  examples...

Passions is always a
Place full of treasures where
Thousands of poets have
Come to reside.

Pouring out feelings as
Deep as a river runs
Melodramatically
Spill their insides.

..........or..............

Moose is a poet who
Frequents these hallowed halls
Writing grafitti to
Make people smile.

Thorn in the teacher's side
Mainly on purpose he
Over-emphatically
Shows quite a style.


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1 posted 08-05-2008 11:21 PM       View Profile for MOCindy   Email MOCindy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for MOCindy

Tiger in vinegar
Souring his power when
Softens his powerful
Claws in his paw

Gentleman’s dignity
Soaring up ego to
Meteorologist’s
Point of her awe
  
C tried one
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2 posted 08-06-2008 12:17 AM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Thanks, Cindy! You got the double-dactyl construction down well. Not sure I understand most of the poem, though. Could you explain it to this dense mind?
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3 posted 08-06-2008 01:49 AM       View Profile for Alison   Email Alison   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alison

Oh nooooooooo

FEET!!!

:: runs off waving arms hysterically ::
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4 posted 08-06-2008 03:41 AM       View Profile for Mysteria   Email Mysteria   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mysteria

Alison,

Michael just has way too much on his hands, or I mean feet.   Good grief!
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5 posted 08-06-2008 12:32 PM       View Profile for MOCindy   Email MOCindy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for MOCindy

Dear sir Balladeer,
That "poem" was mostly on words playing.

But vinegar is related to "feminism", or other  womanized character.

Gentleman's dignity does grow his ego (a positive good.) or not?   I may need a philosopher here.

Thank you for the lesson on the new style.
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6 posted 08-06-2008 08:09 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

AHA! That's why I get a vinegar taste in my mouth when thinking of my ex-wife!

Thanks for clearing that up!
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7 posted 08-06-2008 08:34 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Hey, Alison!!!

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Deer Sir,

Here's my attempt.
Please correct me if i am wrong, i don't know much about meter.

Pride

Higgledy-Piggledy
Sad Julius Cesar,
Had troubled dreams,
Blood streams.

Still Journeys through,
Incontrovertibly,
Ignoring the priest,
With pride it seems.

Prasad.N

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“AHA! That's why I get a vinegar taste in my mouth when thinking of my ex-wife!”

Balladeer, say that again and then say you didn’t mean it .

Don’t ask Chopsticks to enlighten you.

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Prasad,I appreciate the attempt but for this exercise, a knowledge of meter is necessary. One of the types of meter used is the dactyl, which consists of an accented vowel followd by two unaccented ones. The hiddledy piggledy is a good example.....higg-led-y pigg-led-y. In your examples, the accented syllables are in bold...

higg-led-y pigg-led-y
sad Ju-li-us Ce-sar
Had   troub-led dreams
Blood streams

Still jour-neys through
in-con-tro-ver-ti-bly
Ig-noring the
with pride it seems

You should be able to see where the deviations are.

Now, in this exercise, each of the first three lines in both stanzas must be comprised of two dactyls. Since a dactyl is comprised of three syllables (The first one accented followed by two unaccented), two dactyls, back to back, means each line must contain a total of six syllables.

The last line in each stanza must be comprised of a dactyl, followed by a single sound, which means that these lines would contain a total of four syllables.

If you go back to some of the earlier lessons, you will find several dealing with meter that may help you.

Then come back and TRY AGAIN!

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11 posted 08-08-2008 01:26 PM       View Profile for MOCindy   Email MOCindy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for MOCindy

Dear Sir Balladeer, Chops was right.
Vinegar also means jealousy/envy in intimate relationship. Esp, when in mouth.
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Lickety splickety
Jenn’s off to Workshop to
study the meaning of
meter and feet.

Tripping on dactyls, she
stumbles and falls on her
unteachability,
sounds the retreat.


Just kidding, can't get rid of me that easily!  Bring on the triples!  

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13 posted 08-14-2008 05:35 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

hehe...you just prance in here, do the exercise perfectly.....who do you think you are? Dr. Moose???

Nicely done, Jenn. I'll have to see what I can come up with to challenge y'all a little bit more.
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It was a fun exercise, Balladeer, thanks for posting it, and harder than I thought it would be. Wasn’t sure about “unteachability”, exactly where the stresses came. Couldn’t find it in the dictionary. Just seemed like if you add “un” to a word, that changes the stress to the first syllable as in “Un Cola”. Anyway, that’s my story and I’m sticking to it!

Also, looked up the history of the word “dactyl”. That was fascinating and a little spicy if you read further on. Do I hear the sound of googling?    

Someone just sent me a copy of Betjeman’s “Myfanwy” written in lovely dactyls. Well worth reading so here’s the link. http://oldpoetry.com/opoem/show/6208-Sir-John-Betjeman-Myfanwy

Longfellow uses dactyls in “Evangeline”, I think? Maybe hexameter, something extravagant like that? Good grief, hope you'd never expect...never mind, just keep googling!

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Unteachability worked well because, by that time, you had established a good rythym and preceded it with two unaccented and fairly tame syllables. The only problem I initially had was with the first line of "Jenn's off to workshop". I had the inclination to read it as jenn's OFF to WORKshop but, after having read the rest of the piece I could go back and see see it as JENN'S off to WORKshop, which is dactylically proper. I think the possibility of confusion came with the word "off", which is a fairly strong word. Perhaps something like "Jenn heads to workshop" would alleviate that situation.At any rate, it's fine the way it is.

Yes, many memorable pieces have been written in dyctalic verse and it has been a useful tool used by the big guys (and gals).  
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Lyrical miracle
Ronald Carnellian,
Passionate poster of
verse true and wise.

Soon to be, doomed to be
Octogenarian,
Will the blue pages out
live his demise!?
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17 posted 02-26-2009 08:20 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Nothing less than perfect, moonbeam! Brilliantly done
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You are very kind.  Thanks Mike.
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Balladeer makes it clear
poets at Passions steer
tortuous corridors
that they might learn.

Bumble-ing stumble-ing
to myself mumble-ing
"waddayaboddafor?"
at every turn.

But he's a glutton for
punishment either or
double-didactically
preoccupied.

As evidenced by this
borderline ludicris
overgrammatical
piece but I tried

Three for the price of one
this is just too much fun
laughing hysterically.
Dactyllic feet

dancing to different drums
daring to vary some
"per-Fred-Astaire-ically"
down dactyl street
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More than a little bit
late to the party, but
Neverthelesslessly
I had a go!

-------

I like to write this stuff
While sitting comfortably
Very enjoyably
Plonked on my bum.

It took me minutes to
Come up with this word here;
Satisfactorily.
And it was fun!
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ananagram,
Lol, nice entrance. Welcome to Passions, I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay.
Doc
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How very tellingly
I saw you merrily
Hopping and bopping
Down memory lane

Skipping along the street
Under a cotton sheet
Uncategorically
Back and again

I asked delightedly
Why you decidedly
Looked unrequitedly
Back and again

There you replied to me
Grinning emphatically
“Never will I do
Double dactyls again!”


--Late and imperfect
but that's how I roll. *grin*
-Cheye
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Yep, I'm sure you can see all of the errors in this one but you gave it a shot...roll on.
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Ok....ignorance is decidedly NOT bliss. Can someone please explain to me what a dactyl is in poetry?

Arana Darkwolf

 
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