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Dr.Moose1
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0 posted 2002-08-11 10:33 AM


Radiating waves of emotion through the particulate matter which are these words,
on this page,
I'm engaged,
in the eons old process of expounding what it is that I feel,
to be real.

Does there exist within the infinite realm of possibilities'
the unlikely chance that two such diverse elements
(such as you and I),
can communicate our wants and desires,
not stay mired,
in the superfluous concepts of our own individuality
and act together, in concert,
for any length of time,
owing to the harmonic distortion of outside forces
which degrade our abilities to see
what might be,
a new compound formed which has the inherent stability necessary to prevent long term retrograde diffusion,
resulting in seperation to our original states?

The half-life of our existence,
before we met.
Our shall we remain inexticably bound together
on a molecular level,
'til death do us part?


© Copyright 2002 William E.Kleist - All Rights Reserved
Munda
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1 posted 2002-08-16 03:36 PM


If it had been Freud's Wedding Vows I might have fallen for it... just kidding ya Doc!


I realy cannot comment on free verse Doc, but would it be ok to say I liked what I read and it so happens I always read what I like.

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2 posted 2002-08-16 11:38 PM


Spoken like a true square emcee...

Very clever, Doc

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3 posted 2002-08-17 08:34 AM



Doc, this is the right Rx...some internal rhyme going on, some great breaks in time...
I'm liking this one, I am, I am!

Madame Chipmunk
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4 posted 2002-08-17 11:02 AM


The half-life of our existence,
before we met.
Our shall we remain inexticably bound together
on a molecular level,
'til death do us part?

Now these are what I call wedding vows, Doc...
I really like the poem!
some really great thoughts here
~ theoretical hugs

Lyra

copyright2002 Lyra Nesius

"poetry is life distilled"  Gwendolyn Brooks

Dr.Moose1
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5 posted 2002-08-17 09:25 PM


Munda,
Thank you! I know what you mean about not being able to comment on it ( how do you think I feel , trying to write it!) I am completely out of my element here! Thanks for stopping by.
Doc

Balladeer my friend,
Thanks very much. Here's pi in your eye. They say you go running from this type of poetry, I find this very hard to believe that you would run from anything, with your talent. I'll try three, If you'll try one. How's that?
Doc

Sunshine,
Thanks. This is almost painful for me, to  give up all my stodgy forms and rules, and be left with nothing to guide me but utter chaos. OUCH!
Doc

My Dear Madame C.
Thank you so much. My apologies for mis-spelling " inextricably ", tried to correct it  but, alas, too late. I'm  glad you enjoyed, and thanks again.
Doc

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6 posted 2002-08-17 10:03 PM


I don't know, Doc. They say a wise man knows his limitations. When I write structured verse I know if I did an acceptable job or not. In free verse I don't since I have nothing to go by, plus I get no real satisfaction trying to master a form that basically has no rules.....sort of like the famous "playing tennis without a net" comparison. I can certainly admire those who do it well....actually my second favorite poem of all times is free verse - Daddy by Sylvia Plath. SUnshine, jellybeans, and Marty among others do it very well....but it just doesn't "float my boat" enough to want to do it very often.

I have done it on occasion and I'll post one here from the past....ok?

Not A Poet
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7 posted 2002-08-19 12:42 PM


Very cute indeed Doc. And I see you have even managed to temp Balladeer, that well-known, long-time, outspoken proponent of structured verse.

Well done,
Pete

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8 posted 2002-08-25 02:35 PM


Nice poem, Doc.  Liked it ... but my beef is with Balladeer.

Balladeer:

quote:
I don't know, Doc. They say a wise man knows his limitations. When I write structured verse I know if I did an acceptable job or not. In free verse I don't since I have nothing to go by, plus I get no real satisfaction trying to master a form that basically has no rules.....sort of like the famous "playing tennis without a net" comparison.


I'm afraid your analogy to playing tennis without a net just doesn't work for me, Balladeer.  Sure, with classically styled verse it is possible to measure whether or not the poet obeyed the accepted conventions of meter, syllable and line count, and rhyme, but I would submit to you that in order for ANY poem, verse OR so-called free-verse to be work well, the poem's meaning must surpass the sum of its parts.

In many ways, writing verse is easier than writing free-verse.  There is this maddening puzzle out there called "Impossibles" with extra pieces, no border, and repetitive pictures.  In verse, you already have the "borders" of the puzzle constructed.  If you arrange the pieces (i.e., words) correctly, you have a technically correct sonnet or villanelle or whatever.

Free-verse can, but shouldn't involve more discipline in writing than writing structured verse, and I believe there are criteria that anybody can use to determine whether the poem written in free-verse succeeded in doing what the poet intended.

Sound, for one and perhaps most importantly, is critical in both verse and free-verse.  Describing an ocean in a sonnet, for example, that makes generous use of hard consonants like "k" and "t" will probably diminish the quality of the poem even if it is metrically correct and rhymes properly.  In the same sense, describing the maddening razzing of cicadae with latinates is likely to fall flat.

In free-verse, I think line breaks are one of the more important tools at the disposal of the poet ... the breaks may indicate a breath, or may serve to jar the reader, depending on the intent of the poet and the content of the poem.  Arbitrary linebreaks don't often work so well.

Back to your response to Dr. Moose, another wise man once said that we impose our limits on ourselves.  I've read your work.  I know this isn't beyond your ability by any means.

Personally, I think you would find satisfaction in the effort (I did, and didn't think I would either).

Anyway, enough of my rant.

Jim

Dr.Moose1
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9 posted 2002-08-25 08:30 PM


Jim,
Whoa, you make some excellent points here bordering on quantum mechanics, the " Big Bang " theory, and, what possible relevance
forms have to do with poetry. I, for one, support most of what you have postulated, but, then again, I'm most certainly certifiable. Let's see what the "Deer-God" has to say about all this.
Doc

Bridget Shenachie
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10 posted 2002-08-28 04:08 AM


I like this application of the theory of relativity.  Never would have thought of it.  Hats off to your truly creative theme.

Shenachie

Nan
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11 posted 2002-08-31 04:52 PM


...And THAT is the ying and yang of it... Besides - If you were to extricate the "ST" from Einstein - What would be left?...

Just Ein & Ein...  One on One... Umm... ignore me..

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