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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA 
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I'm still working on my sestina... Anyone have some specifics you'd like to see us do this month?..  |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
Two questions.....what makes a good prose and how do you determine the line breaks, the paragraphs and etc to make it read smoothly and the same with free verse. Are there even rules for free verse. I know there are in prose though I don't know them all. Thanks......will learn whatever you toss at us....or at least attempt it. |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Mark: In my opinion, there are really no "rules" for writing free-verse poetry, only conventions. I think the line break is actually one of the most distinguishing characteristics between poetry and prose. Portions of Whitman's "Leaves of Grass" would be an example of poetry that seems to straddle the "line" convention has placed between poetry and prose. In most free-verse, I believe the line break is used as a tool to assist the poet in building tension in the poem ... a line break may indicate a pause, a breath, or a means for a poet to either ease or jar the flow of the poem. Prosaic lines enjamb (i.e., the lines run on from margin to margin). Now, even though there are technically no "rules" to writing free-verse, this does not mean that a free-verse poem cannot be a poorly written poem. jim |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
Jim, Thank you for the comments. I have never felt comfortable in free verse as I don't really know if my line breaks add or take away from the poem and I am not sure I would be able to tell the difference on my own. I have no problem enjoying a "good" free verse written by someone else but when it comes to mine.......I CRINGE. Doesn't feel natural to me without rhyme and I am trying to get past that stage. Also, I wrote "1" prose piece and posted it and after reading the replies, I didn't know if I had written a prose or not. It was labled as poetic prose by some of those who read it and they did leave wonderful comments on it for me but the question still remains.....how the heck do you write a successful prose? Thanks again Jim.....I truely appreciate your comments and they do make sense to me. [This message has been edited by Mark Bohannan (08-03-2002 07:01 PM).] |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
DOUBLE SESTINA it is... Where's Skyfyre when we need her? [This message has been edited by Nan (08-21-2002 12:26 PM).] |
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Sunshine
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Member Empyrean
since 1999-06-25
Posts 63354Listening to every heart |
I'm in |
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Marge Tindal 
since 1999-11-06
Posts 42384Florida's Foreverly Shores |
Teach~ I weeellly do have a 'note from the doctor' for my lack of turning in my Paradelle for July's assignment~  I started writing one ... honest Injun ! But it G R E W far past the acceptable form~ Hmmmmm .... I even called it ... Paradellum Swellum !!! But it got sent to the Intensive Care Unit ! Chiropractor says ... I can have another 'crack' at it next time ! BUT ... the good news is ... I can play in the sandbox with some Free Verse ! I always LOVED FREE things !! Me in !  I can write some Purty Percocet Poetry ! *Hugs* ~*Marge*~ ~*The pen of the poet never runs out of ink, as long as we breathe.*~ |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
I'm in but did you have to add that it wasn't as easy as we might think? |
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Balladeer
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Member Empyrean
since 1999-06-05
Posts 25505Ft. Lauderdale, Fl USA |
As the song goes.....see you in September! |
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Dr.Moose1 Member Elite
since 1999-09-05
Posts 3448Bewilderment , USA |
Nan, If I didn't know any better, I'd say you were really out to get me. Sestinas last month ,and now this! ARRRRGH ! Maybe I can copy off Marge, I'll have to go check the sand-box. Doc [This message has been edited by Dr.Moose1 (08-04-2002 06:03 PM).] |
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serenity blaze Member Empyrean
since 2000-02-02
Posts 27738 |
I'm in!!! (the errant student returns...dragging her booksack behind her) |
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Titia Geertman Member Ascendant
since 2001-05-07
Posts 5182Netherlands |
Geez, just finished my sestina and now free verse??? Mark, you mean there are rules for free verses  I think I'll join Marge and Doc and play with some sandOk I'll give it a try to write a free verse I'm good at breaking Though my own Mommy Muys... she a lot better at breaking things, come to think of it  Titia Like scattered leaves...my words will flow |
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Paul Wilson
since 2002-07-07
Posts 4711United States |
Nan since you have the cream of the crop here in your class I would really like to join in and learn from all of you if you have room for a new student. I'm just an old country boy that likes to write.I'm a slow learner but I have plenty of dedication. I posted my attempt at a Paradelle & Sestina on open poetry 21 cause I didn't have a key to post it here. Living to learn... Paul |
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Duncan Member Ascendant
since 2001-08-07
Posts 5455 |
Rules for free verse? I probably shouldn't ask...but why? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? Sorry, I'll be sneaking back to the playground now. Marge, you got Percocet? Wanna be my new best friend? I'm in pain, really I am!! lol |
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jbouder Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash |
Mark: Getting back to your question regarding writing good prose ... the answer, of course, is reading good prose voraciously and practicing hard. Nan: I'm in for the free-verse lesson. Duncan: I like one of Drury's examples: The pitcher threw the base ball to home plate Arguably, this could be three lines from a poem written in free-verse. The line breaks are clumsy, and the disruption to the syntax caused by them is difficult to justify. Can it be done this way? Sure. Is it difficult to do it this way and write a quality poem? I think so. Just an opinion. Looking forward to the assignment. Jim |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
Kewl... You guys come off the playground and out of the woodwork when we do free verse.. except Balladeer, who runs for cover...  Paul - You're approved for posting now - and if you want to repost your paradelle and sestina here, that'll be fine..  |
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Duncan Member Ascendant
since 2001-08-07
Posts 5455 |
Jim...Thanks. I agree. Thought that fell under common sense, didn't know there was a rule for it...lol. |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
Hey wait.....I just caught JM smokin' in the girl's room so I think she should be MADE to take this class just to keep an eye on her. |
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SmartChick Member Rara Avis
since 2001-09-23
Posts 7081On A Journey To The Unknown |
Gee Miss Nan! I don't know if I know how to write free verse. |
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SmartChick Member Rara Avis
since 2001-09-23
Posts 7081On A Journey To The Unknown |
What is the proper way to write a free verse? |
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Duncan Member Ascendant
since 2001-08-07
Posts 5455 |
Good idea, Mark! But who's gonna tell her she got drafted into poetry class? Not me!! I'm scared of redheads...lol!!! Yeah, what are the rules for free verse? |
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Bridget Shenachie Senior Member
since 2002-01-23
Posts 1056Kansas USA |
Free At Last Here’s my “Get Out of Jail Free” Card, My Chance To flaunt conventions, Use my own style, Say what I think An all expenses paid trip Into my mind, And anywhere it takes me, Except the therapist. I can get personal Or be outrageous And tell some really honest lies. Be somebody else Be me. I can go anywhere Do anything Be anything I please. I don’t have to count feet, Sound meter, (No damn dumb da-DUM), Or rhyme. (Now maybe I can shake this headache.) I can wear my comfy words With no constraints. Shed the formal attire. Pen the most profound profanities, The most profane profundities Or any other ditties on my mind. I’m In!  Shenachie |
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Nan
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Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
 ...GEESH... |
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Kellie_Cantrell Senior Member
since 2002-05-22
Posts 1667New York |
All working on free verse can someone teach me different forms of poetry. Free verse is all I know! Thank Lots |
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Christopher
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Member Rara Avis
since 1999-08-02
Posts 8296Purgatorial Incarceration |
free verse has rules, no matter what anyone says... you just get to make them up yourself.  nan - you should get l'il k in here. ps - is it "a" prose, or just prose. "a" prose doesn't sound quite right to me. (no offense to whomever may have called it that) |
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Jason Member
since 2002-07-31
Posts 72Macon, GA |
is it too late in the month to join the class? I hope not, I need some "help" getting the "free verse" thing going in my mind...*wink* Practiced in the Art of Perception |
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Janet Marie Member Laureate
since 2000-01-22
Posts 18554 |
Ok..first of all I dont smoke...thats a certain Aquarians bad habit...lets get it right...I fly into the flame...but I dont smoke...SINGE yes...smoke NO  AND...this moth is trying to be good and get her taxes done so she can go to the beach...I suggest you cowboys and porch puppies dont distract me.  Free verse will suit you well...Mr Aquarian--"The Rule is there are no rules" You guys are giving Nan a headache and class aint even started.. me thinks shes gonna have lots of clean erasers by the time Mark and Duncan pass the grade. |
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Titia Geertman Member Ascendant
since 2001-05-07
Posts 5182Netherlands |
You're chicken out Deer???? So no rules (I knew that!) Marge and Doc, you come out of that sandbox now, playtime is over, class has started. Telling a story and call it a poem LOL (thought that one up myself) Titia Like scattered leaves...my words will flow |
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Mark Bohannan Member Rara Avis
since 2000-06-21
Posts 7269In the winds of Cherokee song |
Okay???? So are we starting the free verse without hearing the rules? Are there rules? Teach said that it isn't as easy as we may think so I am thinking BIG RULES here. Okay..........going to back of class and hanging head......cowboys don't do confusion well. JM.......YEAH RIGHT!!! Duncan......wanna trade lunches. Mine turned green two weeks ago. Titia- Heck if I know. BTW.....did ya get the sandbox emptied yet? |
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Nan
Administrator
Member Seraphic
since 1999-05-20
Posts 21191Cape Cod Massachusetts USA |
All righty you guys - I'm here - somewhere near and about Kalamazoo... I'll be sharing access with someone who thinks they need to be online more than I (for some silly reason).. and yes - you're all going to drive me mad with this free verse stuff.. coming out of the woodwork, you are.. I'll get to all of you - I will - I will... |
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Mysteria
since 2001-03-07
Posts 18328British Columbia, Canada |
Well go figure - they put rules on all the others and the one thing I had left "my friend" puts rules on that one too? Oh well, there has to be one dunce in every class so count me in. JM smokes? Not MY Janet Marie with wings? No way! Someone say it isn't so.  |
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Madame Chipmunk Member Rara Avis
since 2001-12-05
Posts 8296Michigan |
So thats where the teacher is... I've been looking all over for her... and all along she has been right under my nose... even using MY computer... right here in my little underground burrow in Kalamazoo!  ~ now she's even drinking my coffee...I'm so glad she likes acorn flavored coffee Lyra |
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