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Nan
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0 posted 1999-10-17 07:46 PM


So, it seems that Poet deVine has requested a pantoum.... by the 31st of October - We can handle that one pretty easily. As a matter of fact, since the class looks very much like the last one, we really don't even have to spend any thyme.. um time.. on meter.

You newbies can talk to your friends after class to figure that out. Lucie! Stop talking to Michael during class!! I said talk AFTER class... Now then, let's get started...

A pantoum is another form of poetry that uses line repetitions for effect. Remember those liberals and traditionalists we talked about when we did the villanelle? Well, they have those same opinions about the pantoum. The liberals think that it's perfectly acceptable to vary the words in the repeated lines a bit to enhance the development of the theme. The traditionalists hold strong and fast to the "no deviations" rule.

In reality, you can make your own choice. I have to admit, I've done it the liberal way - and guess what - Balladeer yelled at me for it... He did. So, I'm trying one his way again (just to prove I can do it).

The first and most important thing to consider is THEME - You have to have a theme that you can develop with repetitions. THINK THEME - THINK THEME - THINK THEME... It has to develop well to be successful. Poet deVine is hoping for a halloween pantoum, and I know that's my plan. You can certainly make your own choices, though.

A pantoum, done properly, will also have a distinctive meter (one of your own choosing). Again, don't worry about that at first - Meter is easily ironed out after the poem has been written. Try to maintain some semblance of syllable count in your lines to make it easier, but don't stress over it until later.

Since we're all meter-masters here, let's try to incorporate some imagery this time... sadistic grin.. hehe..

Nocht - Don't ask "What's Imagery?" - You know what it is!!!

All right - Just as a refresher because Doreen was sitting in the corner throwing spit balls at Marilyn and Angel again... Let's go over some...

Simile - A comparison using as or like. Check out Ron's Tormented Love - Triumphant Hate and see if you can find one. - Yep - "like lemmings led to our own fall" (ROFTL - I had to look it up too!! - I love it when that happens).

Metaphor - A comparison that doesn't use "as" or "like", but rather uses one idea to represent another. Munda's Walk With Me is a good example of a metaphor. Life is not a path, but this poem makes it one - without using "as" or "like".

Extended Metaphor - This involves the entire poem in a metaphorical comparison. Read Izzy's Closing Old Doors and you'll see how she uses the old doors in the poem to represent incomplete issues in her life, and she does it nicely.

Personification - Is giving the attributes of life to an inanimate entity. Snow in Summer does a very nice job in her untitled poem. She's got "pumpkins perching on the porch" and "plumply slumbering" (and more). This is also Alliteration, btw - that's repeated syllable sounds for a great effect. Would you believe this is only her second attempt at writing poetry? Think she should continue?

Onomatopoeia - What better time of the year to use this fun form of imagery than at halloween? This is the one that uses words that sound like themselves - Whoosh - Crash - Pop - Ahh-Chou - etc. I didn't find a poem using this, but you all know what it is... Maybe you can find one yourselves - HeHe... Homework!!

Now, don't go overboard on the imagery - Your goal is to write a pantoum - not to put imagery in every line - just try to have some fun with it. Alicat!!! Satiate!!! Have fun writing - not with each other!!

All righty then - The Pantoum - Is formatted in this manner. You'll be writing six stanzas - each a quatrain which will consist of lines that repeat in this order:

a1
b1
a2
b2

b1
c1
b2
c2

c1
d1
c2
d2

d1
e1
d2
e2

e1
f1
e2
f2

f1
a2
f2
a1


Note that the first line (a1) also becomes the last line - the poem loops back around to its beginning. So, your first line has to be one that's appropriate to end the poem as well (and still allow you to DEVELOP YOUR THEME).

Let's see what we can do with this - starting with your repetitions - then we'll work on meter afterwards... and remember ...THINK THEME... Ruth will be writing about owls, probably - Did I say that?

I've written this as I sit here in the dark, so if you have questions - Holler - NOT YOU ROBERT!!





[This message has been edited by Nan (edited 10-17-1999).]

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Munda
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1 posted 1999-10-18 01:29 PM


Hi : )

I'm not sure what to do next, so I figured I might as well submit my first attempt.
I'm not sure if this is what you had in mind and I'm sort of stuck on a couple of lines.
Neither am I sure if everything is correct English. Please help ! It seems everybody is asleep, or working when I am online. : )

Munda : )

Dutch Halloween

A1 St. Maarten is our Halloween !
B1 11th next month kids come by
A2 ‘round scolding for all to be seen
B2 where lives one refusing to buy

B1 11th next month kids come by
C1 with sack and the most awfull face
B2 where lives one refusing to buy
C2 with gruesome and frightening blaze

C1 with sack and the most awfull face
D1 they haunt you down feeling your fears
C2 with gruesome and frightening blaze
D2 so you better cover your ears

D1 they haunt you down feeling your fears
E1 hand over all the candy you have
D2 if not, better cover your ears
E2 they sing you a song ‘til you’re deaf

E1 hand over all the candy you have
F1 ‘cause when you refuse this , "Oh my !"
E2 they sing you a song til you;re deaf
F2 Scrooge’s alive ! Devils come out and cry !

F1 ‘cause when you refuse this; "Oh my !"
A2 ‘round scolding for all to be seen
F2 Scrooge’s alive ! Devils come out and cry !
A1 St Maarten is our Halloween : )

hoot_owl_rn
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2 posted 1999-10-18 03:58 PM


I have only written one poem about owls...and gee, no one has seen that yet, might just have to post it
Marilyn
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3 posted 1999-10-18 05:02 PM


*raising my hand*....I have to go to the bathroom Ms. Nan. The spitballs are stuck in my hair. As I go through the door I pass a note to Robert.
Lucie
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Houston
4 posted 1999-10-20 07:56 PM


UMMMMM... ::raising hand::: Nan? What did you say.. I was listening to Michael talk about Femme...(again!) hehe
Skyfyre
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5 posted 1999-10-20 10:11 PM


oops ... I couldn't think of a Halloween one ... does that mean I get an "F" for not following directions..?



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"Nunc lento sonitu dicunt, morierus"
(Now as I hear this bell tolling softly for another, it says to me, "Thou must die.")


Nan
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6 posted 1999-10-21 06:49 AM


Nope - the only way to get an "F" in my class is nonparticipation...
Nan
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7 posted 1999-10-26 09:39 PM


My pending pumpkin pantoum is probably near posting.....
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