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Jer
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since 1999-12-02
Posts 443
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0 posted 2000-02-05 10:28 PM


OK... I am gonna try to make this as short as possible.  Marilyn and tons of other poets have brought this up before and it just seems to be getting worse. The problem is with multi-postings and begging for replies to ones poem in the title. These are just plain frustrating to all the other members who have to wade threw all the poems each day. This makes it difficult for us to read all the works posted on the board and not everyone has the time to post four or five replies to one persons work.  The suggestion on this matter has always been and will be ~ Limit yourself to TWO originating posts per-day ~! Yes, everyone would like to receive a ton of replies to their posted work. I try to get to everyone’s work and so does Marilyn, Jerome, and Alwye. However, this situation of "Multi-Posting" impedes us of doing so. As for the topic of begging for replies, Example. "Please reply".  This is just inconsiderate and rude. This makes people past the topic by and creates fewer replies then you would have received in the first place.  If you would like many replies, please post replies to other peoples work.  The forum was made so poets could share their work and get a response to them.  By just being one-sided, you start to cripple the forum.  Post a few replies and see.  You will receive more. None of these rules are set in stone.  However, by following them, you help everyone in the forum and things will run a lot better.  I ask for your cooperation in this matter.  Thank you Passion Family.


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Mistikman
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since 2000-01-10
Posts 682
San Jose, CA, USA
1 posted 2000-02-08 12:08 PM


Bumping this up for everyone to read who hasnt already

[This message has been edited by Mistikman (edited 02-08-2000).]

sweetcollege_girl
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since 1999-12-03
Posts 872
just about where I want to be
2 posted 2000-02-08 11:03 AM


bumping it up again..and I agree with you Jer...good to see the moderators doing their job  

i think the moderators have a point here..

~~Lavada~~


 "For every beauty, there is an eye somewhere to see it.
For every truth, there is an ear somewhere to hear it
For every love, there is a heart somewhere to receive it".--Ivan Panin


sweetcollege_girl
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since 1999-12-03
Posts 872
just about where I want to be
3 posted 2000-02-08 12:41 PM


*BUMP*


sweetcollege_girl
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since 1999-12-03
Posts 872
just about where I want to be
4 posted 2000-02-08 03:15 PM


*BUMP* again...lol  
Marilyn
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since 1999-09-26
Posts 2621
Ontario, Canada
5 posted 2000-02-09 05:05 PM


Well stated Jer. I hope everyone reads this and we would really like your thoughts on this issue. If we are all in favor of this , WHY isn't it happening. Please tell us what you are thinking. This forum is for you and your friends. How can we make it a better place for you to write in??
angel6917
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since 2000-01-14
Posts 478
WI
6 posted 2000-02-09 05:33 PM


I have to agree here.  I love to reply to everyone's poems, but when they have like 10 at a time on, it's really hard.  I have time for like, 2-5 replies, 'cuz I do this all in school.  (I don't have the internet at home!)
Anyhoo, I do appreciate all the replies I get, and I'll try to reply to more when there's time and space...
~Kristi Lynn  


 "Why does no one sees how hard I cry?" -Me

LyricFetish
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since 2000-01-13
Posts 528
North Carolina
7 posted 2000-02-09 09:12 PM


I'm totally for the ideas stated in this post. But it seems to me that this kind of message appears in many posts by the moderators and in many people's responses to those who post many poems at once or put "please reply" in the title. My point is: WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE STILL DOING IT? I'm confused, it's not that hard a concept. Just respect the rules in here and everyone will be happy. There...I said it.
Mistikman
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since 2000-01-10
Posts 682
San Jose, CA, USA
8 posted 2000-02-09 09:31 PM


It is simple Lyric, some people think the rules apply to everyone but them.

 I am not a poet, I am merely one who speaks in emotion


ghettochild63
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since 2000-02-09
Posts 2

9 posted 2000-02-09 09:51 PM


Quit you whining dude you are such a wuss i swear ooo to many post you are gay man seriously

Mistikman
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since 2000-01-10
Posts 682
San Jose, CA, USA
10 posted 2000-02-09 10:03 PM


Thank you for proving my point, you just made my day  
rich-pa
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since 2000-02-07
Posts 317
New Orleans, Louisiana
11 posted 2000-02-09 10:35 PM


i could not understand a word of what ghettochild wrote but as far as the letter goes, amen to that
Jer
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since 1999-12-02
Posts 443
USA
12 posted 2000-02-09 10:48 PM


Well,  I'm glad to see so many people agree.  I can just hope everyone will follow it out of respect. I thank you all for the support and hope you all can help in making sure these small infraction get followed. Ghettochild63, please. We would like mature comments.
hoppy
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since 2000-01-27
Posts 271

13 posted 2000-02-09 11:21 PM


if you don't wanna reply to it don't, if you wanna reply then reply,  

just quit ramblin' aimlessly complaining about people not replying to the poems,  

and i think ghettochild63 said it in a not so quant way but he summed it up quiet nicely, stop worrying about the unwritten rules, cause if they ain't written, they mean nothing.

you may now return to your world of harmony now

 NEW POETRY FORUM NOW OPEN


"If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standards of nonconformity."

SUBMIT YOUR POETRY HERE, AWSOME PAGE.
NEW POETRY FORUM ADDED

Don't look... you might see.
Don't listen... you might hear.
Don't think... you might learn.
Don't walk... you might stumble.
Don't run... you might fall.
Don't make a decision... you might be wrong.
Don't live...you might die.

THE PAGE OF PURE POETIC EXPRESSION!!



poetry_kills
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since 1999-12-04
Posts 549
new orleans
14 posted 2000-02-10 03:47 PM


hoppy: *deja vu* haven't we gone through this whole thing before?... it's not a matter of the letter of the law, it's a matter of the spirit of the law... and every rule made is based upon the ideas of respect and fairness... you seem to dislike authority and rules (and i know there are others like you as well)... but consider this... the respect of the members here keeps the forum from having to create such rules as "only two posts per day"... however, if respect is not given then such rules are needed in order to reinforce the idea of that respectfulness... thus, as it is currently poets can post as many poems as they want at any given time... but is that respectful to the other poets? no... it draws attention away from their single-posted works and floods the board with numerous poems from one author (often which draw very few responses)... if the idea of respect is lost upon people who think that it is the LETTER of the law that matters and not the spirit, then Ron will be forced to create new "laws" to keep you in check... and when that happens, myself and the other moderators will be under obligation to delete any posts over the lawful number... you see, your rallying against an idea based upon the fact that there is no rule against it will only lead to there BEING a law against it... i honestly dont think that is what you want to see happen...

sincerely,
jerome the mysterious priest

 A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
~Coleridge



hoppy
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since 2000-01-27
Posts 271

15 posted 2000-02-10 05:11 PM


where'd that "law" come from anyway?  and what makes no sense i ramblin' about this when you say the multiple posts get no replies therefore they do not take away from the other poets because people ignore them in essense taking away any basis of an argument for only posting 2 per day.  
the "law" appears contridictory in the terms you state with it and your reasoning for it is seemingly bad.  
the idea you put behind the "law" makes no sense, therefore the "law" is pointless,  


 NEW POETRY FORUM NOW OPEN


"If there is anything the nonconformist hates worse than a conformist it's another nonconformist who doesn't conform to the prevailing standards of nonconformity."

SUBMIT YOUR POETRY HERE, AWSOME PAGE.
NEW POETRY FORUM ADDED

Don't look... you might see.
Don't listen... you might hear.
Don't think... you might learn.
Don't walk... you might stumble.
Don't run... you might fall.
Don't make a decision... you might be wrong.
Don't live...you might die.

THE PAGE OF PURE POETIC EXPRESSION!!



angel6917
Member
since 2000-01-14
Posts 478
WI
16 posted 2000-02-10 05:15 PM


Hoppy, I understand where the "law" is coming from, as do many other people here in Passions.  It's a lot easier for people to read if there aren't like, 10 million (ok, so I'm exaggerating a little) posts by one person.  If people want replies, it's easier for them to get them if they don't post so much at once...
~Kristi Lynn

 "Why does no one sees how hard I cry?" -Me

LyricFetish
Senior Member
since 2000-01-13
Posts 528
North Carolina
17 posted 2000-02-10 07:47 PM


Hoppy, I wasn't aware you were a moderator. Since you are not in a position of authority, you don't have the right to protest what the moderators *nicely* ask you to do. Just get over it and respect what the unwritten rules say or leave.
poetry_kills
Senior Member
since 1999-12-04
Posts 549
new orleans
18 posted 2000-02-10 08:02 PM


hoppy: first, you ask why laws exists... any law exists primarily for two reasons... 1. to preserve order and safety, 2. to prevent the infringement of one person's rights by another person... (if you disagree, then either prove otherwise or offer alternatives rather than just saying that i'm wrong)...

secondly, you claim that i am "ramblin" and that the discussion of this topic takes away from people's time that they could spend replying to multiple-posts... while this is true in logic, it is not true in practice... if i see that someone has posted 3 or 4 poems all at once i do not reply to each and every one of them... i will reply to 1 (2 at most) because it is unfair for me to spend all my time responding to one person's 4 poems while another person's 1 poem goes ignored... you also claim that this "takes away any basis for an arguement for only posting 2 a day", yet you give me no reasons why... nor do you attempt to refute my arguements that multiple posting causes problems like low response and a flooded forum...

third, you claim that the "law appears contradictory in the terms you state with
it and your reasoning for it is seemingly bad"... i challenge you to actually support either of these claims with evidence and/or reasoning of your own... if i were to say to you "we should have a rule against multiple postings because it's a good idea" then you would laugh at me... i have also given you reasons for why the law must be upheld and why your type of reasoning only promotes the establishment of formerly unneeded laws... in support of my former point i will offer this example... speed limit laws were put into effect because people were driving at unsafe speeds and endangering themselves as well as other drivers... had everyone driven at safe speeds then there would have been no need for speed limitations... thus, the law comes as a response to public unsafety or personal narcissism... the case of which we speak now is a matter of the latter... you believe that people should be able to be as selfish as they want without penalty, but i say that in order to maintain the communitarian environment that we have now and in order to avoid further restrictive laws that each individual must be held accountable for his or her own actions and should adopt a common respect for all his/her fellow poets... when we as the human race forget to take others into account then we become selfish, uncaring, and ultimately self-destructive...

finally, you say that "the idea i put behind the law makes no sense, therefore the law is pointless"... again you fail to tell me WHY my ideas "make no sense" and even less do you offer reasons why the law is "pointless"... such ideas must have made sense to someone, since that is the foundation of all governing bodies since the early B.C. ancient Athenians... i would argue that you are falling again into the trap of narcissim in claiming that just because you do not understand or agree with the ideals behind the law that the law holds no ground... i assure you that whether you believe it is right to steal your neighbors car is right or not makes no difference to the judge when he passes judgement... i suggest that you learn from what i have said here instead of hardening your heart more to wisdom... perhaps you will be a better person for having done so...

sincerely,
jerome the mysterious priest

 A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
~Coleridge



Ender
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since 1999-12-08
Posts 200
Yuma, AZ USA
19 posted 2000-02-10 08:12 PM


I dont know what to say.  I feel a little disappointed in this forum now.  I really have a feeling that this post was aimed towards me.  I put "please reply" in my titles because i rarely ever get replies.  I mean, i re-posted a poem once, and that was "road to love".  a few times, i have posted about 4 poems and never gotten a reply.  i guess i figured that if i put "please reply", then i would get more replys.  

Also, about reposting.  Marylin locked my original post of "road to love", and i can understand why she did to a certain extent.  What i dont understand is the fact that she said that by reposting poems, i am using up webspace.  But, then i remember that there are many ways to clean this place up and get more webspace.  there are poetry pages that can be deleted or made smaller in size.  so, i dont know what to believe anymore.  I have gotten the impression of two different stories.  on being about reposting being annoying and another about i just taking up webspace.   so, as i said before, i have become very disappointed in this forum ,which is the only teen forum that there is to post my poetry, seeing how i am teen.  

poetry_kills
Senior Member
since 1999-12-04
Posts 549
new orleans
20 posted 2000-02-10 08:44 PM


ender: you certainly aren't the problem here... this is more wide-spread than you might realize... and it happens in all of the forums, not just the teen forum... you see, Passions is gaining a lot of new members, but along with that come certain people who drop in, post 3-5 poems and then leave without responding to anyone's poems... we (the moderators in particular) are trying to stop this multi-posting because we see that it causes problems both for the poets that multi-post and for the other poets that do not... it's unfair to all parties concerned... you, i must say, have been doing extremely well in working with us in this... you may have made a few mistakes when you first came into the forum, but you certainly do not stand alone... i, for one, am glad to have you here... i think your poetry is interesting and well-developed and i earnesly hope that no one feels this post by Jer was meant for them... however, those that still practice multi-posting despite having been talked to about it may spur Ron to create a "post limit"... none of us want to see that happen... and that is why we all must work together to put a cap on this    

sincerely,
jerome the mysterious priest

p.s. -- about all the things you wrote of... those are in the past... they no longer concern marilyn, myself, or any of the moderators here... and you should put them behind you also  

 A savage place! as holy and enchanted
As e'er beneath a waning moon was haunted
By woman wailing for her demon-lover!
~Coleridge



Jer
Member
since 1999-12-02
Posts 443
USA
21 posted 2000-02-10 09:21 PM


OK!  Well this has all gone far enough.  This is where I have to put my foot down and do my job. The post that I made was NOT for argument or to cause chaos or anarchism. I will not allow this to continue on.  If Anyone wishes further contention on the matter it should be taken to the "Alley Forum". That's what it’s there for. Other then that, people will follow the rules or I will edit titles and delete posts if I see necessary! Thank you.  I am sorry to everyone else who had to see this get out of hand.

Ender: Just to let you know. I was not signaling you out. I was not writing about anyone in particular. There has been many people to do it. (Even myself.)



 "WRITING IS EASY. ALL YOU DO IS STARE AT A BLANK SHEET OF PAPER UNTIL DROPS OF BLOOD FORM ON YOUR FOREHEAD." Gene Fowler

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