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iliana
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0 posted 08-22-2006 12:01 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

How about one for Myths, Mysteries & Metaphysics or some such variation?  
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I would love it, and never gave this a thought, but it would be fun...thank you for the suggestion.
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2 posted 08-22-2006 03:37 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Wouldn't it, LeeJ!!  Thanks for your input.
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3 posted 09-04-2006 11:49 PM       View Profile for icebox   Email icebox   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for icebox

I think this is a great idea!
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4 posted 09-05-2006 01:57 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Thanks, Mr. C.  Me, too!!!   ....jo
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I think all that is relevant enough to fit into the Philosophy forum.  
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6 posted 09-05-2006 03:19 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Essorant, the problem is that the Philosophy Forum discussions alway get turned into arguments over religion, and many folks who might post to these types of topics won't because of that, specifically arguments about Christianity.  Also, a discussion group of this order does not have to be a debate area or argumentative like the Alley or Philosophy forums are...though that could happen, as well.  I would like to see more discussions like this as I believe they are educational, might even inspire a few muses and teach us some new words and names.  
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7 posted 09-05-2006 03:24 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Yeah. What she said!



I like the idea.

And yes, we know that philosophy and religion might well be brought up, but at leat it would be clear from the name of the forum that in that area, ALL religion(s) would be discussed from an observational, theoretical, comparison/contrast point of view.

Great idea Jo..., too bad we can't channel Joe Campbell though, eh? (i miss him )
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8 posted 09-05-2006 03:40 PM       View Profile for icebox   Email icebox   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for icebox

Maybe what we also need is a Religion Debate Forum.  Then the Philosophy Forum might actually become what its banner says it is supposed to be.
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9 posted 09-05-2006 05:34 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Exactly, Ser!  

Mr. C., I like that idea, too.  
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Why not try posting such a discussion in Philosophy first?
But you need to make sure it specifies what exactly you wish to talk about.  Because if all you say is something vaguely about "Mystery" or "Dimensions" then that can basically go anywhere and everywhere, and no one should be blamed for taking it in a religious direction, if the poster didn't give it any specific direction to begin with. If you don't give the topic some direction to begin with, then that leaves it up to the inclination of the posters.

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11 posted 09-05-2006 09:10 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

That has been tried before, I believe, but not sure.  And pray tell me, where do myths and mysteries and metaphysics fit into the category of philosophy?  e.g., "the UFO mystery" -- I'm sure that regular Philosophy forum visitors would have alot of fun arguing that.  Or, what about ESP, for example....how is that Philosophy?    

[This message has been edited by iliana (09-05-2006 11:16 PM).]

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Philosophy is the Love of Wisdom, that includes wisdom about all things, including myths, mysteries, metaphysics.

  
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13 posted 09-05-2006 11:18 PM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

UFOs are not wisdom discussion.  Some things that perhaps might be squeezed into Philosophy would have to conform to fit the perimeters of that forum....I think it is very limiting and I know of others that think that, as well.  But thank you for your thoughts on this.
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If I understand iliana's suggestion correctly, what has been proposed is a new forum that will provide something new, not a new place to be turned into something old.  

There is a fundamental difference between discussion and debate.  A very small number of people seem to love playing games of chase the adjective around the bible, and often have turned topics in the Philosophy forum into just that game, where someone's idea of points must be scored and absolute truths must be accepted.  

No one here has said those apparently endless debates can not continue on the Philosophy forum; the proposal is for something new.  

Not everyone craves the rigidity of a narrowly predetermined direction, nor is there any historical basis for the statement the philosophy is the love of wisdom any more than is history the love of dust.  The academic discipline of philosophy is many things, but not that.  It is too easy to confuse the craving for wisdom with the mechanisms of enlightenment, too simplistic to mistake logic for the thrill of skilled debate.

Why resist an interest in having others explore something new by implying a threat of turning it into the same style of stilted theological debate?  What is being proposed is a more comfortable environment of sharing ideas and of exploring curiosities, than exists now,  without the need to turn every question into a testosterone driven contest of wills in the disguise of philosophy.  Who knows? It might lead to thinking and in time could even result in, if not the love of thought then perhaps in, the like of it.

Of course, all this remains an abstract set if our benefactor chooses to ignore the idea.
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Count me in lovie.

I thought I didn't mind the inclusion of philosophy with religion and myth and mysticism, but unfortunately, it becomes chaotic.

So c'mon, Ron...

give it a shot?

Give us a chance.

I'd really like to see this one happen.
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Thanks, Ser & Mr. C.  You both understand exactly what I'd like to see added.  

Come on, Ron, pretty please with hot fudge on top, please, please, please....
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Here are just a few mystery-like subjects I know were discussed before in Philosophy: ghosts, mars and martians, transmigration, sorcery, destiny, love, the soul, soulmates, time-travel, immortality, astrology, paradoxes, math, perceptive reality.  All you need to do is take a look at the history of threads.  The forum is not at all locked into a theological standard.  Instead of whining about how others use the forum, why don't you use it the way you want to instead?    


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18 posted 09-06-2006 12:57 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Icebox made the point very clearly why we would like a separate forum.  Why are you so opposed to it?

For instance, say I started a thread discussing chemtrails and put a link to some photos.  How does that fit within philosophy?  Don't you see the point?  

More examples:  Crystals, Herbs, Alchemy, crop circles, pryamids, archeological mysteries, effects on water with meditation, Pleaedeans, Toth, Atlantis, Lemuria, hidden meanings in Tarot, Firebirds, What the Bleep?......and on and on and on..........

Lighter discussion, not what the Philosophy Forum has evolved into.  A place for the inquisitive mind, not a place to debate!

Speaking of which, is this suggestion now turning into a debate, too?

Oh, and who is whinning?  Not me, I am only making a suggestion for something new.  I'm a little offended, actually, by your comment.  Hey, but I'll get over very quickly.

And if you're afraid of some of the potential content, it wouldn't bother me a bit if it were put "Behind Closed Doors" although that might be kind of discriminatory.  
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19 posted 09-06-2006 02:00 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

I'm sorry.  I didn't mean anything harsh.  
You complained about discussions turning into arguments in Philosophy, and in general you and Icebox seemed to make it out as wrong or out of place.  But I don't think it is (even though I get a bit tired of arguments too sometimes). It is a choice and part of the forum, and no one needs to conform to those if he/she doesn't wish.    Also, I don't think I ever saw a thread removed from Philosophy unless it was too "Mature" in content for that forum.  Otherwise, I think the forum is more about dealing with both common and special subjects philosophically, rather than restricted to a set group of subjects.  

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20 posted 09-06-2006 02:11 AM       View Profile for iliana   Email iliana   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for iliana

Ess....you're forgiven.  

"I think the forum is more about dealing with both common and special subjects philosophically,..."

That's the point.  It is binding in that it must bring the point back to philosophy.  Don't you see?

The reason why I said, behind closed doors, is that perhaps there are those who might be offended or not want their children to read about, say tantra....not that this is something I would bring up, but....it could happen....or, perhaps....the mysteries of sexual union from a spiritual standpoint...just a couple of things I can think of off the top of my head.  And then there are those who would not want their children reading occult material (which is easily accessed on the internet by any child, but I understand Ron's rules).  

Since when did stating a fact turn into a complaint?  

PS - You haven't answered my question, why are you so opposed to this idea?  
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The History Channel talks about this stuff.

And they talk about it without religious bias.

Why can't we?

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22 posted 09-06-2006 11:06 AM       View Profile for Essorant   Email Essorant   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Essorant's Home Page   View IP for Essorant

Good Morning

Iliana,

"It is binding in that it must bring the point back to philosophy."


I don't think it is the rule.  It is just an important part of the forum.
But I think meeting new subjects (something that is sometimes rare in the Philosophy forum!), learning new discoveries, heeding histories, wondering about mysteries, etc. all cultivates wisdom and therefore I think is quite relevant in the Philosophy forum.

"Since when did stating a fact turn into a complaint?"

I'm not sure.  I thought you were complaining a bit because you called it a problem and seemed dislike it enough that you will not post what you wish.  I just don't see why you let it stop you from posting a thread along the lines you wish.  

"You haven't answered my question, why are you so opposed to this idea?"

I'm not really "opposed" to it.  I just don't think you made a strong enough "case" for Philosophy not being worthy.  Personally I would love to see new and extraordinary topics brought up, and think that the discussions may have more attention in that forum that is so open and flexible, rather than something limited to certain theme of topics you wish to talk about.

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"I'm not really "opposed" to it.  I just don't think you made a strong enough "case" for Philosophy not being worthy.  Personally I would love to see new and extraordinary topics brought up, and think that the discussions may have more attention in that forum that is so open and flexible, rather than something limited to certain theme of topics you wish to talk about."

Philosophy is a wonderfully interesting subject, Essorant -- no argument.  But these suggestions I've made do not classify as philosophy; I'd much rather put them in TheLounge, where things are more broad.  But, I think it might be more appropo to have a forum like the one I suggest behind closed doors so that there are no limitations to our discussion.  

Your love for the Philosophy forum is obvious and I hope that forum has continued success.  

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Oh darn I read that wrong, and here I thought it was a new forum to discuss moi.   Good luck with the request, and I will look forward to discussing the mystic world with you all.
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