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thinktwice
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0 posted 12-23-2003 12:21 PM       View Profile for thinktwice   Email thinktwice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for thinktwice

I understand the profanity rule perfectly. However, we could facilitate the users who would use such language by creating Mature Poetry section. Not exactly like the one that's already made [mature content]. I mean we could have an adult dark poetry section where people can finally express their thoughts to the fullest. There could be a security warning and name identification as well.

i'm not trying to beat a dead horse or anything, in fact i don't even know if what i'm saying has been said before. and if the administration has an issue with it, i would suggest at least setting such a forum up as a trial. i mean, give it two weeks to see wheteher the forum is a success or not.


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[This message has been edited by thinktwice (12-23-2003 01:44 PM).]

Poet deVine
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1 posted 12-23-2003 01:35 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

We have Mature Forums that include a forum that allows some more 'mature' language. But as always, if the profanity is for shock value or doesn't suit the piece, alternate words should be used. You can ask for admittance to the Mature Forums in the Member's Area.
thinktwice
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2 posted 12-23-2003 01:45 PM       View Profile for thinktwice   Email thinktwice   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for thinktwice

awesome. good stuff. with this thought in mind, why is there a problem?
SimplyGold
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3 posted 01-23-2004 03:42 PM       View Profile for SimplyGold   Email SimplyGold   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SimplyGold

Oops, I couldn't resist another 2 cents worth.

I have been reading the string concerning the issue of profanity. It is a shame but,  censorship is a tool that sometimes must be used when good folk have lost their sense of discretion. Yes, there is a time and a place for everything and it appears that this site has such measures.(I thought it did?) I for one, do not like obscene language. Yes, it offends me. I make a concerted effort to watch my tongue and admit resort to a foul mouth when I'm hurt and sometimes when I'm so angry I'm over the edge. Frankly, it's not a pretty thing. So I ask you, what ever happened to civility?
It is an art to insult someone creatively, it is an art to express your feelings creatively. So have your tantrums but, I don't wish to have to experience them in this format. Creative expression you say, intensity of feelings, O.K. Find a place that accepts it. Obviously, it is not acceptable here. In fact, the creators of this site owe no explanation. It's their ballgame.

SG

P.S. The suggestion,Thinktwice, is a good one. Perhaps a designated area would solve this situation. I thought there was one already?? Oh, by the way just because something exists does not mean that it should be perpetuated. Somethings are just not acceptable no matter what we may think or how we may justify it. Now try responding without foul language
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4 posted 01-23-2004 09:49 PM       View Profile for Marshalzu   Email Marshalzu   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marshalzu's Home Page   View IP for Marshalzu

I'm not ashamed to say it but I use what others would label profanity pretty liberally in some of my poems. Infact  I use pretty awful words, words that can be said and mean't with affection over here in my region but words that would shock and disgust almost everyone that I can think of here. Do I complain about the fact that I cant post that work here? No.

Why? Because I tailor my submissions to my audience, what is acceptable to a group of North Eastern English dock workers is not necessarily suitable for the mixed age, ethnic and social background of this audience.  
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5 posted 01-24-2004 04:51 PM       View Profile for SimplyGold   Email SimplyGold   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for SimplyGold

Well said Marshalzu.

SG
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6 posted 02-09-2004 04:14 PM       View Profile for Vagabond   Email Vagabond   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Vagabond

I support thinktwice in his ideas.

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Jessie Carstein
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7 posted 07-28-2004 10:34 AM       View Profile for Jessie Carstein   Email Jessie Carstein   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jessie Carstein

There are often reasons why people do not wish to use mature content though.  One is that there is near enough no traffic to that area of the site.

Picture the scenario, someone writes a beautifully elegant poem and has a single piece of profanity which is needed in the piece (like a poem about a parent suffering due to their child's tourrette's syndrome condition), because of the profanity this is auto labelled as a mature content piece, which is a forum not visited because most of the work is horribly explicit and taboo.  Is it fair that such works as that of the tourrette's recieve such a negative stigma because of needless conservatism?

I am not saying that we shoudl totally relax the rule book but what I am suggesting is that perhaps it is time that we moved with the current contextual conditions and allow some minor profanity.

It has got to the stage where you can't have four asterixs in a poem here, but can watch someone being torn apart in a war on television, are we so distrusting in our children that we must blinker them  from the outside world needlessly?
nakdthoughts
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8 posted 07-28-2004 11:46 AM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

You just think those other forums don't have much traffic..they are read by many. Sometimes we read and don't respond...

and doesn't that tell you something? That if  those forums that have language that isn't appropriate for all ages have less responses..then maybe the majority here prefer it that way.

There are many other poetry sites that let it be a "free for all"...this site has so much more to offer and is why there are so many poets and readers here...

just my opinion
M
Jessie Carstein
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9 posted 07-28-2004 06:25 PM       View Profile for Jessie Carstein   Email Jessie Carstein   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jessie Carstein

Saying there is loads of traffic in that forum, I posted a poem in January, got no replies, but since then merely 40 have gone ahead of it, and this is 6 months on, surely that proves my point?

I am not advocating a 'free for all' by the way, just a little slack being cut.  Free for all would end up with tons of spam and trolls which no one in their right mind would approve of, but a little creative flexibility wouldn't hurt surely?
nakdthoughts
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10 posted 07-28-2004 06:30 PM       View Profile for nakdthoughts   Email nakdthoughts   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for nakdthoughts

Just a suggestion...looking at your number of posts at 30 if this is the only name you used in the six months..means you haven't even given anyone a chance to know you.  Maybe if you reply to others..they will notice you and do the same...

I didn't read your poem in the mature forum but will do so now and then will respond under it.

M
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11 posted 07-28-2004 06:34 PM       View Profile for Jessie Carstein   Email Jessie Carstein   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Jessie Carstein

You're probably right about not being known but anyway never mind
silvergriffinfire
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12 posted 03-30-2005 01:14 AM       View Profile for silvergriffinfire   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for silvergriffinfire

I don't really know if this should be under profanity, but I think there should be slightly more flexible rules. I have had two poems removed from Dark Poetry not because of profanity, but because I used, I believe, a few words in each that were taken to promote self harm. This was not what I was doing, and I was upset that they were removed.

Perhaps there could be some sort of label on certain peoms saying that they contain minimal language/and such. If someone wants to avoid reading such poems, this label can let them know not to read it.

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13 posted 03-30-2005 08:55 PM       View Profile for Ringo   Email Ringo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Ringo

silvergriffinfire- Before ANY work is removed from any forum, it is discussed by all of the moderators... usually at length, and the poet is very often given the benefit of the doubt. I am sure you know how hard it can be to get 3 people to agree on something, so imagine the discussion that goes into getting- sometimes- 10 or more people to agree that a poem needs to be pulled. This is not an action that is taken lightly, because we all have very strong feelings about our work, and understand that you do as well.

The main reasons that we have the language filter and the rules about what is acceptable is because there are many people who visit this site that do not wish to be involved is such language, and because we have children as young as 10 that visit, read, and post. For those reasons, as has been mentioned elsewhere in this thread, we have the mature forums for peopple to post in when they feel that the adult language is needed. Although I have posted one scribble in the Mature forums, my personal thoughts are that most writes can be done more effectively, and with more impact if the easy words are not used, and the poet is required to show his reader what he means without resulting to vulgarity. Just my opinion, though.

Oh, BTW... don't worry too much about having a poem removed... I've had one removed, and another that I submitted to the mods rejected for content... IT has happened to us all.

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longte
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14 posted 04-07-2005 10:40 PM       View Profile for longte   Email longte   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for longte

I am Very New here
But it seems that the Mature Content section
Mainly concentrates on more sexual aspects
Very occassionly it May be deemed neccessary to use so-called profanity but as it is in life Exactly the same result can be achieved without it.
Really its only when delving into some of the baser emotions that "Profanity" is almost required
I have a few poems that contain no profanity at all but because of the emotions they engender I would not ever drop them into an open area
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15 posted 07-08-2005 05:35 PM       View Profile for Juju   Email Juju   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Juju's Home Page   View IP for Juju

Yeah...  My brother signed under my name, because I had cookies under my computer that allowed him.  I got in trouble a few times.  And like he posted a one poem(That I know of) that wasn't mine.  It was so embarrissing. I was going to change my pass word, but he didn't know my password it was the cookies.  I think the no profanity is good. He didin't know the rules or any thing. So yeah.  He also down loaded a few things which I did not appreciate... my poor computer.

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16 posted 07-08-2005 07:35 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

If you read through some of the MC forums, yeah, some threads are sensual, sexual and related themes.  Still others are gritty, bawdy or simpy adult oriented.  That doesn't always mean sex smut and more sex.  I have several in MC, dealing with divorce, silly looks at caberets, sadistic prostitute teasing, and a slew of more sensual subjects.  There's even a fable about a certain whale.

Mature Content is what you make it, just like any other forum.
 
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