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Local Parasite

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0 posted 2002-10-09 03:10 PM

I think it would be more fair to members who don't really want critiques, to allow them to still have a message on the "reply to topic" page.

I propose that "encourages critiques" and the reply forethought message should be made separate, so that anyone can use the reply message without necessarily encouraging critiques.

Anyone agree with me?

bsquirrel

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1 posted 2002-10-09 03:32 PM

My opinion? That Ron is being nice to even offer the choice of not being critiqued.

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if you can't learn to read
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in yr words?

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Local Parasite

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2 posted 2002-10-09 03:42 PM

I couldn't agree more. If you knew anything at all about my history in these forums, you'd know I was once a huge advocate for "critique the masses."

But recently I realized that some people focus less on the structure of their poetry and more on the content, and what they seek in reply is either interperetation or comment on the subject matter/content. I respect that, because I also seek both of those factors in addition to critique.

I still think we should make the reply messages separate from whether or not we want critiques, though.

Sunshine

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3 posted 2002-10-09 03:45 PM

Why are we adding buttons where buttons aren't needed?

Local Parasite

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4 posted 2002-10-09 03:47 PM

What do you mean, Sunshine? All I'm saying is that you should be able to have a little message to the replier without necessarily encouraging critiques. I would personally find it quite useful if I was given some insight as to the desired direction of my reply. I always feel a bit lost when someone has no critique flag.

[This message has been edited by Local Parasite (10-09-2002 03:47 PM).]

quietlydying

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5 posted 2002-10-13 01:41 AM

if they don't want critiques, but want to leave a reply message, they should just fill in the critique field with their message and add the fact they don't actually want critiques.

well, if they were smart they would.

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Sunshine

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6 posted 2002-10-13 07:51 AM

LP, "I always feel a bit lost when someone has no critique flag." That either means [1] they don't know they can or [2] they don't want one - they simply want to post their poetry. If they receive a comment, fine.

When you see a poem that could stand a constructive, good critique, what is wrong with asking the question, do they want one? I'll bet dollars to donuts they'll say yes, and probably couch it with a "be honest but gentle".

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7 posted 2002-10-13 11:51 AM

As much as I encourage open communication, I think there are some questions that need to be asked carefully, and usually only after a lot of preliminary conversation has passed (i.e., you've gotten to know them well enough). If someone you just met asks to borrow five bucks, a lot of people feel uncomfortable saying no, even if they don't want to say yes. The question itself creates an unnecessary awkwardness.

If someone has not indicated an interest in critiques, I think we should assume they know what they're doing and respect their decision. Just asking if they'd like to hear your critique IS a critique because it suggests their poem "could stand a constructive, good critique." And it puts them in the unnecessarily awkward position of having to say to no.

I don't foresee using the Critique Message to perform double-duty because it would too easily dilute its already important duty. Nor can I envision a way it could be used that didn't at least indirectly center on critiques. What, specifically, would you want to say or hear?

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