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deleeme
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0 posted 10-16-1999 05:42 PM       View Profile for deleeme   Email deleeme   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit deleeme's Home Page   View IP for deleeme

Now that the new system is up and running, would it be possible to start up a poem form devoted to religiously themed poems--as far as I know the poetry buffet found elsewhere which did include such poetry was shutdown months ago. I think it is a good idea, and a useful addition to the present formats. I know I would be glad to support it, and be a regular submitter to it? What do others think on this? I hope this will be considered. Thank you.
Poet deVine
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1 posted 10-16-1999 06:47 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Hi...while very worthy, I am not sure a Religious Forum would fly....we had a Fantasy Forum (For poems about dragons, UFO's etc) but it didn't seem to get many posts....The great and wonderful Ron will decide though..if there's enough support, he will probably do it....do you have friends that write spiritual poetry?
Alicat
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2 posted 10-16-1999 06:51 PM       View Profile for Alicat   Email Alicat   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alicat

Might be a good idea...but keep in mind one thing: multiple definitions of 'religious'.

Personally, I'm a non-demoninational Christian, and I respect the rights of others to believe differently than I do. If this forum was implemented, there would be more than 'Protestant Christian' themes included by the forum name. There would be Hindu, Toaist, Mormon, Catholic, Church of Satan, Wiccan, Neo-Druidic, Church of the Sub-Genius, etc. ad nauseum.

Just a thought on your thought.

Alicat
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3 posted 10-16-1999 07:05 PM       View Profile for Munda   Email Munda   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Munda's Home Page   View IP for Munda

Exactly as you say Alicat. It would have to be for ALL religions, and if so, I'd say, it's a very good idea, as long as it's done in a respectful way.
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4 posted 10-16-1999 08:38 PM       View Profile for Systematic Decay   Email Systematic Decay   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Systematic Decay

I think a religious forum is a great idea. As long aspeople keep it respectful, it would be a great way to discuss different philosophies and religions.

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5 posted 10-16-1999 09:27 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

There are two things you should never discuss, politics and religion! But it would be nice at the Holiday season (notice the nondescript season)!
Julie
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6 posted 10-17-1999 04:08 PM       View Profile for Julie   Email Julie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Julie

I think this is a great idea. Maybe religious
is too constricting maybe spiritual is more
inclusive for all religious backgrounds. I have written a number of "spiritual" poems and would rather put them in a specialized forum. If we do get this could poems with a "moral" tone been included too?
At one time Nan had indicated that there
would be at some point a spiritual forum,
did I misunderstand?

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Julie
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give one thing more: a grateful heart.
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Systematic Decay
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7 posted 10-18-1999 12:07 AM       View Profile for Systematic Decay   Email Systematic Decay   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Systematic Decay

Julie....I don't think I understand what you mean by poems with a moral tone....could you elaborate?

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8 posted 10-18-1999 06:31 PM       View Profile for suicidal dreams   Email suicidal dreams   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suicidal dreams

good idea but as long as the people remember there is more than just one religion out there so as to avoid any problems

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Julie
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9 posted 10-21-1999 06:56 PM       View Profile for Julie   Email Julie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Julie

SD,
What I meant by moral tone was things like; faith, hope, perserverance, world peace,
acceptance of all nationalities or other differences. Things that remind us how we should live according to our "higher power." Sorry if that sounded wrong.

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10 posted 10-22-1999 04:29 AM       View Profile for Systematic Decay   Email Systematic Decay   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Systematic Decay

Julie...that is what all the warnings in this thread have been about. your idea and my idea about morality, God, and a higher power might not be the same...so you have to realize people are going to post poems about their morality also...but then again,. I think I may have misinterpreted that, as on rereading, I think you were only asking if those were allowed, for some crazy reason I thought you were asking if all the poems in this forum would have a moral tone...gee **blushes** I guess that what I get for reading things like this at 4 AM......

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Julie
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11 posted 10-22-1999 01:31 PM       View Profile for Julie   Email Julie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Julie

SD,
I understand that you misunderstood...glad we cleared that up. Anyway...maybe calling it a religious forum may be the wrong title.

Deleeme, I think this is a good idea but in doing this we need to remember to have respect for all religions. Personally I would like a forum where I could go and read to enhance my spirit. We could call it Forum of Faith or something of that nature where no one religion is acknowledged. I am not a person of prejudice and would certainly find it interesting and inspiring to read poetry on ways others draw their strength. As for people that are atheist they would not be interested in this forum anyway.
deleeme
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12 posted 10-23-1999 03:05 PM       View Profile for deleeme   Email deleeme   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit deleeme's Home Page   View IP for deleeme

Thanks for all the thought and imput that you all have given to this suggestion.
JULIE-I believe that we are on the same wave length here. It should not be a place to trash the beliefs of others, but to uplift & uphold the strength's of one's own convictions. If each can serve well their own belief, and respect the beliefs of other(even by silence, if in strong disagreement),
then--it will not bew another bloody battleground of beliefs but a Forum of Faith
with a positive impact. I think that would work!
WhtDove
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13 posted 10-23-1999 08:55 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

I'm gonna add my two cents in here. To mark it religious we shouldn't do. To put in a Forum that would hold "spiritual" poetry, I think would be a great idea!
Ron
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14 posted 10-31-1999 02:23 AM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

I apologize for the long delay in responding to this thread, but the truth is I wanted to give it time to percolate a bit. 'Cause I do have some concerns, many of which ya'll have already talked about a little.

First, let me correct a misconception on deleeme's part: the Poetry Buffet at the main site hasn't been shut down - we just ran out of disk space (and me out of time) from all the submissions. Now that we're on the new server updating the main site is one of my biggest priorities.

But that has nothing to do with this issue, 'cause we can absolutely have a Spiritual Forum (not sure I like that connotation any better than Religious) in addition to the Christianity section at the main site (and that's what it's called, not Religious). But, of course, there are potential complications.

The problem is, it's going to very very difficult to explore all religions and spiritual issues without stepping on toes. I can be perfectly respectful and not say a word against your beliefs - but by simply stating mine, should they be in direct conflict with yours, I have openly disagreed with you. Do we agree to simply disagree? Do we explore our differences? Or do we start calling each other heathen names?

I don't think these are just rhetorical questions or "details" of making the forum work, either. I'm going to very blunt and honest with you - I have a very serious problem being involved with or sponsoring poetry advocating the so-called Dark Religions. Yet, I have an equally serious problem with justifying why they shouldn't be allowed right beside poetry about Jesus, Allah, Mahavira, Buddha and others. See my problem? On the one hand I really want to practice the tolerance I believe in, but on the other I can't willingly support something I believe strongly against.

I think the "general" concept of a forum dedicated to spirituality is a darn good. I'm all for it. But any such gathering place without limitations of some kind seems like an open invitation to anarchy. And I guess I just don't have the wisdom (or guts) to decide what those limitations should be.

I'm open to suggestions, guys!
Julie
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15 posted 10-31-1999 12:23 PM       View Profile for Julie   Email Julie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Julie

Ron,
I must have lead a sheltered life but is "Dark Religion" your refering to like satinism? If so...isn't that some of what dark passions forum is for?...

[This message has been edited by Julie (edited 10-31-1999).]
deleeme
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16 posted 10-31-1999 03:09 PM       View Profile for deleeme   Email deleeme   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit deleeme's Home Page   View IP for deleeme

Short of segregating such a poetry forum into
each possessing their own subsection, Would it be feasible of identifying & thus labeling at the submission level(stage) just what basic kind of belief is expressed by each poem,(Christian,Jewish,Islamic,Buddist, etc) That way, fair warning is given concerning each poems leaning, and one could
be free to choose up front, which type he/she might wish to investigate/and/or shy away from depending on personal views & preference. This would help take away the
unnecessary friction which varying beliefs might generate. If labeled by the submitter as (Buddist, for example), by rules laid down, no one of a contrasting Belief would be allowed to post replies based on difference of persuasions. This can be an open arena to open up differing views, but should not be an open forum to debate them.
I feel simple labeling by the submitter would help eliminate needless confrontations and be a way of setting a standard of mutual respect (without implying agreement) for the various beliefs of others.
I suggest if such were implimented- that in the Title book, the submitter be asked to, Identiffy it's basic kind In Caps ahead of the Title, Example:
CHRISTIAN:"In the Vale of Sorrows"
Is that a workable idea--what do you think about it?

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deleeme
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17 posted 11-07-1999 08:56 AM       View Profile for deleeme   Email deleeme   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit deleeme's Home Page   View IP for deleeme

Friends,
I think we have an opportunity here to be participants in sculpting a bold new venture in PASSIONS. This issue and oppurtunity are not dead yet, unless we just give up on it, and by our silence and lack of constructive input allow it to never have the chance of seeing the light of day. So I am asking you-If such a forum is something which you deem useful and desirable--please continue to do what you can, to help make it a reality. If you can call others attention to this matter, and enlist more brainpower-to brainstorm this project- this too will help the cause.
Thank you for your involvement. ( If it does not work out--I can say, I have no regrets that at least it was given consideration--)
Until then keep up the good work,
I appreciate you, Deleeme:>)
Isis
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18 posted 11-07-1999 05:20 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

I agree with WhtDove, a 'spiritual' forum, sounds great, but if someone did worship the devil in it, it would be hard to agree with it, and could cause problems? Religious differences have started wars, in Passions it could cause problems too.??
That's my two cents anyway.

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~Isis~
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