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JamesMichael
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Beware of Socialists Running for Office Disguised as Democtrats

Beware of Socialists running for Public Office claiming to be Democrats. To run as a Democrat when you are in fact a Socialist is deceptive and should be considered fraud...Let everyone know up front when your agenda is a Redistribution of Wealth, Micro-managing of Companies such as GM, taking over Chrysler, bailing out undeserving companies such as Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and AIG instead of letting them fail under a free market system, bankrupting our Government with oversized Bailouts and massive Bloated Budgets, attempting to mandate a Government run Health Care and Energy Policies. All of the above mentioned actions reek of Socialism.

These are not the actions of a Democratic Government, they are more like the actions of a Socialist Dictator, What will be next on the Agenda? Will we lose out Freedom of Speech and our Right to Bear Arms? If we object to a Socialist Agenda will our words be labeled as hate speech, will our actions be considered breaking the law? Will the Prisons be filled with those of opposing views such as those that disagreed with the Authoritarian Governments of North Korea, Iran, Nicarague and China?

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Bob K
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1 posted 07-02-2009 01:37 AM

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These are not the actions of a Democratic Government, they are more like the actions of a Socialist Dictator, What will be next on the Agenda? Will we lose out Freedom of Speech and our Right to Bear Arms? If we object to a Socialist Agenda will our words be labeled as hate speech, will our actions be considered breaking the law? Will the Prisons be filled with those of opposing views such as those that disagreed with the Authoritarian Governments of North Korea, Iran, Nicarague and China?

Dear James,

          While I do not agree with you that socialist government provides the dangers you warn against in this country amd I feel these dangers are unlikely under our current President, I do believe that as long as we have elements of the PATRIOT Act as the law of the land, we may well have the legislative groundwork for such things happening.  I was unhappy with that legislation when it was passed during the last administration because I felt it gave the government too much power in deciding what were security matters and what do do about these security matters under circumstances it was empowered to decides were crises.  I was uncomfortable with what any government might do with such enabling legislation, Republican or Democratic.

     I have no idea how you felt about the actions the last administration took using the PATRIOT Act as justification.  I was not happy.  I am unhappy that the current Administration hasn't  taken steps to review � at a minimum � or hopefully repeal the powers the government has taken unto itself under that legislation.

     While I don't believe the Obama Administration would make the sort of use you suggest out of PATRIOT, the possibility of PATRIOT being misused are very high indeed.  The Last eight years with PATRIOT made to my mind significant inroads into our liberties, and the sooner we can get rid of the legislation the better.  The temptations are simply too great for misuse.

Yours, Bob Kaven

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3 posted 07-09-2009 12:42 AM

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Dear James,

         I am trying to stay reasonably clear.  In this case, I  try to preserve the distinction, between the the administrations that run the government at any one particular point in time and the government itself.  If you blur that distinction, it's useful to actually acknowledge doing so.  In that way, you can keep clear at least the understanding that the Administration may change hands with the decision of the electorate, and may veer left or right, but the government is supposed to be institutional and somewhat more resistant to change.

     My objection to much that's happened in the last ten years or so has been because there has been an attempt to change the Government with such things as The PATRIOT Act, which attempts to alter the structure of the institutions, and what the basic powers the Government may be.

     When you speak of The Global Warming Agenda, you leave me puzzled.

     Whose Agenda would that be?  What purpose would it have?  What evidence do you offer in support or against the existence of such a thing?

     Folks from the far left and the far right both have versions of Global warming that need to be specified before I would dream of agreeing or disagreeing with any particular piece of them, let alone the entire construct proposed by either side.  Yet when you talk, it sounds as though you expect me to know exactly which point of view you are taking.  Honest, I don't.

     Being a Liberal, it may be that we disagree.  But then, I'm not sure, even, what we would each agree amounts to evidence.

     I'd be cautiously interested in hearing.

Sincerely, Bob Kaven

JamesMichael
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4 posted 07-16-2009 06:48 PM

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Hi Bob, When I talk of the "Global Warming" issue, I am mentioning it as a way that those in power want to manipulate the people by fear or through their ignorance...obviously Al Gore has demonstrated that he isn't the best person to represent this subject, to the satisfaction of people like me, as he has presented himself as a hired gun for the Obama Administration, not willing to have the public discussions that are necessary to know the full story of Global Warming, as there are many Scientist that disagree with his version, nor has there been adequate discussions on the need nor reasoning behind carbon taxes...James

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5 posted 07-31-2009 07:34 AM

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We are as a species in trouble not because of science, religion or politics but because of human nature.
How do we inspire people to look outside of their own interest. How do we motivate people to cooperate in this state of crisis we now find ourselves in. We should develope a strategy to combat human nature and get people to think outside of themselves. This will not be easy, it will require careful thought and hard work.
I am not a Democrat or a Republican, my party would be the "Let's not do anything stupid" party.
I see the lobbyist as dangerous. Gread should not influence government.

A worthy legacy is the irrevocable consequence of dreaming.
Rick A. Delmonico

Bob K
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6 posted 08-02-2009 12:31 AM

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Almost every party is the "let's not doing anything stupid party." In England there's an exception, a party that actually is proudly a raving looney party, bless them, but they do it on purpose. Almost every party believes that it's the other guys who are the stupid party, which they are staunch, reasonable and upright.

In the spirit of anarchy, I must say that they are all correct.

rad802
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7 posted 08-02-2009 10:20 AM

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It is not that I need to have the last word.
By the way, I enjoyed your looney story.
People color the information they take in with their preconceptions. This makes communication a bit of a challenge.
I think that the whole political system is flawed. It does not correct many of the problems that occur simply because of human nature. The subtle nuances of the human condition are not completely understood and so we are not equipped to create the checks and balances required to correct the system so that we achieve the most effective and efficient form of government possible.
Chaos theory would dictate that this is probably impossible.
This is why it says "In order to form a more perfect union" in the Constitution.
I guess the Founding Fathers somehow knew our government would never be perfect.

A worthy legacy is the irrevocable consequence of dreaming.
Rick A. Delmonico

JamesMichael
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8 posted 08-08-2009 07:08 PM

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Thanks Rad and Bob for reading and responding...talking about political parties...I consider myself a Conservative, so if I were to choose the strongest party into which I fit in the best it would be Republican...although in the past couple decades, the need for a strong Conservative Party have increased...James

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