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JamesMichael
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Kapolei, Hawaii, USA

0 posted 2008-03-06 05:01 AM


Dream Team

Someone said something tonight
that spooked me, it was a man
on a Conservative Talk Show,
and he said that if Hillary wins
the nomination for President
she could possibly pick Obama
to be her Vice-President.
And I had been led to believe
that the two of them disliked
each other, and this scenario
would be highly unlikely.
So much for that nonsense.
I also thought that since they
are both attracting about half of
the Democratic voters, that when
the General elections come in
November, the Obama Democrats would
be angry if Hillary was nominated and
wouldn't vote in the election, and vice versa.
That could guarantee a Republican victory.
However, it appears that a Dream Team
of Hillary and Obama, lets say, would
bring all of the Democratic voters
to the same table and would almost
guarantee a Democratic victory.

People of America, please don't
let them do this to me...

JamesLee
06March
2008
The talk show
was Jerry Doyle.


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matronmedusa
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since 2008-03-08
Posts 89
Alabama, USA
1 posted 2008-03-10 11:30 AM


It's all one big commercial anyway; they will say or do anything they have to to get you to "buy" them.  One offers one product while the other says their product is better; it's a constant revolving door of consumerism and commercialism.  

Like a popularity vote for high school prom-queen.

JamesMichael
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2 posted 2008-03-11 09:03 AM


Thank you matronmedusa for the nice response...I definately agree that they will say what they have to say...but the promises they make have to pass the votes of Congress...James
matronmedusa
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since 2008-03-08
Posts 89
Alabama, USA
3 posted 2008-03-12 11:08 AM


It doesn't mean they will keep them; and with this the case in the history of elections, what are we really choosing between?  Who's promises we like better...even though they may not be fulfilled?  It's like saying, "what's your favorite ice cream?  Okay great, now I know, but all we have is this one, so deal with it."

Or even worse; "This many people said they like this icecream, but I think this flavor is better for them."

JamesMichael
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4 posted 2008-03-12 03:54 PM


Thanks for responding...I appreciate it...
I don't like any of the candidates...
Democrat or Republican...whoever it was that said we get what we deserve was right...but I can still rate them number one two three and vote for the best of the worst...James

matronmedusa
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since 2008-03-08
Posts 89
Alabama, USA
5 posted 2008-03-13 09:22 AM


It seems to me that we have been "settling" for the best of the worst for too damn long.  How much longer can we settle for the "best" of the "worst" before we realize it's just getting worse and worse and worse?  Do we wait to hit rock bottom?  

The only way to prevent corruption in the highest levels of office is to pay attention to the candidates at the absolute lowest levels of office; at a local level.  Getting involoved in the elections of mayor, governor, representative, etc...  This is going to dictate who eventually becomes our presidnetial candidates; and we can rest assured knowing that WE put them in that position--and we'd have no one to blame but us.  Because most people don't care about the local level, and only vote when they think "it matters," we still have no one to blame but ourselves.

The wonderful thing about our constitution, is that it gives us the right to stand against our government and overthrow it if we are not happy with it.  If people are going to gripe about the corruption in office, but don't want to actively select who gets into office on all levels, then the last ditch effort for a clean slate is a revolt.  And you know what?  There are a lot more of us than there are of them.  

JamesMichael
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6 posted 2008-03-14 04:30 AM


Thanks for responding...I've noticed that many of the junior local representatives attach themselves to a Senior Senator and make every effort to emulate or to please that Senator, not giving much thought to the wishes of those that placed them in office to represent them...I believe this only applies to those that are followers and not to potential leaders who have the ability to think for themselves,  and that seems to be a big part of the problem...James
Larrysmom
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since 2008-04-03
Posts 533
Florida, USA
7 posted 2008-04-04 12:33 PM


I wasn’t too sure I was liking this piece (only because of what it was actually saying), that is until I reached its end and then I fell in love with it. Thanks for sharing.

Tammy<333

JamesMichael
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8 posted 2008-04-04 06:21 AM


I'm glad you enjoyed it Tammy and thanks for the nice response...its hard to please half the people when you write about politics...but I do try to present both sides of an issue...James
openthoughts
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since 2006-01-16
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Where the child can be free
9 posted 2008-04-09 01:05 AM


What I'm officially replying to is the "best of the worst" comment that matronmedusa left.  While it's true that we are "settling" with our politicians, it would be naive to expect much greater.  As a nation, we choose democracy because of its enormous potential.  However, we occasionally fail to recognize the flaws that democracy carries with it.  When our forefathers chose to establish a democratic government, they sacrificed political prowess in exchange for the best possible protection for the individual.  

It is certain that some politicians are better than others and that many make grave mistakes for which they should be held accountable, however we must stop expecting our politicians to be more than they are.

I hesitate to refer to Alexis de Tocqueville again, since I have done so already in the prose piece I posted earlier, however as this argument can be most attributed to him, I feel that it is necessary.  "A democracy will not produce brilliance, but prosperity"

Bob K
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Posts 4208

10 posted 2008-04-09 03:39 AM




Actually, some of us believe that the last two elections were not honest and the folks that were in fact elected did not in fact take office thanks to what seems to us to be electoral fraud.  Those conditions have not yet been decently addressed and the same sort of outcome is once again possible.

     I do have a clear favorite in the election, a Democrat.  I don't understand why the notion of a party coming together behind a single candidate is so difficult to grasp.  It is in fact customary in American elections.  It is such a cliche that it was a touch typing exercise for years.  Do they use it any more?  "Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their party."

     The gender specificity dates it, of course.  The only winners if Democrats boycott Presidential elections if their candidate from the primary isn't nominated would probably be the Republicans.  They're certainly ready to present us with four more years of the same responsible leadership that's run up our current debt, pretty much sunk the middle class and destroyed the governmental safety net over the past decade or so.

     You did say that the talk show you heard the discussion on was a conservative Republican one didn't you?  I thought I heard something like that.

JamesMichael
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11 posted 2008-04-10 05:34 AM


Thanks openthoughts and Bob for the nice responses...I'm willing to vote for John McCain if he brings Mitt Romney on board...if he doesn't I'll have to re-evaluate...James
Robert E. Jordan
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since 2008-01-25
Posts 8541
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
12 posted 2008-04-15 10:25 PM


I vote for ideas, not people.  That's why I always vote the straight party ticket, right down the line.

Vote big "D".

As far as the primary goes, the Clinton's have already given it a try.

I'm going with my pet dog Hilda's choice, she's with "Bitc-hes For Obama"

Bobby

[This message has been edited by Robert E. Jordan (04-17-2008 05:29 PM).]

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