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DreamEvil
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0 posted 1999-09-07 11:19 PM


Chemical Castration, notice the caps on both, has been debated for many years now. Discussion has ranged from bars and homes to Congress and the Supreme Court. Everything from in favor or not, voluntary or not, to whether it's humane or not, has been discussed. Here then is my particular take on it.

There are two primary areas where C.C. is utilized; both of course involve sexual offenses. One is the C.C. of repeat rapists; the other is against pedophiles and molesters. There is a difference between them. My first area to discuss is whether or not it should be allowed at all. Is it inhumane to deprive a male of the capacity for erection or is more inhumane to keep him caged like an animal? Let's see, no erection would also mean more frustration unless the drugs also control the seratonin levels in the brain. It means an interruption in the natural rhythms of the body, which would then lead to further medical complications as well as psychological problems. Who cares though, it's not as if they were human or anything, right? Incarceration now, that is a much different animal. Take rats for example. Concentrate their population beyond the parameters of sanitation, food supply and living space and they become vicious (males in particular). Cannibalism becomes wide spread, as does infanticide. Males will fight for dominance and the chance to eat each other's offspring. Relate that now to the penal system, cramped living space, subsistence diets (mostly). It sounds similar doesn't it? Again though, its not like we all have the capacity to commit atrocities, under the right circumstances, now is it?

Rape is the vilest thing I can conceive of but I find it interesting to note that murder can carry a lighter sentence. Murder ends a life, rape victims can move on. I know several that have that strength, which is awe-inspiring. Rape is a crime of power not passion. Lust and sex rarely enter into it. How is that? Because rape tears away the dignity and self-respect of a woman, placing her at the mercy of the rapist. That is the integral part of the power play. By rape, the victim is stripped of choice and pride, violated in body and spirit. Perhaps even broken in mind as well. Sounds like a strong argument for C.C. of serial rapists and I would agree. Wouldn't it be better to re-educate the rapists to understand their need for that kind of domination of women before C.C.? Give them the chance to undergo it voluntarily in exchange for reduced sentences and have them undergo Sex Offenders Treatment. Again, it sounds good but remember that rape is a crime of power not sex and the male genitalia is only a tool to achieve the subjugation of the victim.

Pedophiles and molesters, two distinctly different categories, are often grouped together. Pedophiles have a true love and lust for children. The attraction and love is just as real for them as it is between a man and a woman. That is why they can't be helped. How do you control the type of person you are attracted to? Aversion therapy and treatment can help somewhat but C.C. seems to be the best option for treating pedophiles since no pedophile would force a child into sex, at least not with overt force. There being no power crime involved, there would be no urges to satisfy. Molesters however are both pitiable and scum. Pitiable because they feel driven to act out the horrors of their own lives like that, by raping children. Pitiable because some awareness and early intervention could have prevented it. Molesters can be successfully treated for the problems with acting out the frustrations and rage within them. Scum because they have the choice and choose that vile method of acting out.

Anyway, 'tis my take on Chemical Castration. I hope it was informative and eye opening. I hope at the very least that it was thought provoking. End of rant.


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WhtDove
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1 posted 1999-09-07 11:34 PM


Well to say the least, it was very thought provoking! I do agree, I think they needed to be treated with medications or what-not, before a decision is made for C.C. But one who will not learn from this treatment or do anything to help themselves, and they keep offending and doing these things to innocent people, then something needs to be done to stop them! And for now I will step down on this one!
Severn
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2 posted 1999-09-07 11:42 PM


Very, very thought-provoking, as WhiteDove said. Rehabilitation is the key - but what about the ones who are beyond rehab? You've completely stumped me, DE!
Christopher
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3 posted 1999-09-08 12:15 PM


Leave it to you DE, to leave two completely seperate, yet just as disturbing thoughts in my head before I go off to bed. The first, in adult, I've already responded to, now I have to respond to this one. (Not saying that it is an unwanted task, merely that it is distressing to think of.)
I think it is good that you pointed out that rape is not a sex crime, as a general rule. This usually doesn't hold true with "date" rapes, which are another matter. Most women, and there are by far too many, will tell you the truth. They feel defiled, debased and helpless. It is not the memory of the actual act that will stick with them for their life, but rather the feeling that they had no control over their life. And I think that if it could help, then treatment other than CC would be advisable first. Yet, the crime had been committed, and one persons right to the pursuit of life, liberty and happiness end, where the other's begins.
And thank you for the distinction between pedophiles and molesters. My familty wen't through the tragedy of having to deal with a molester. And it was not a pretty thing needless to say. My siblings bear the scars still from what that woman, (yes, women are less common, but it still happens,) did do them. If asked for the solution from my heart, I would say without hesitation, to string them up by their necks until they gasp their last breath of life. But, I think a better solution would be to break the chain before it can perpetuate itself. Most molesters are children or victims of molesters. The probability that someone who has been molested will be a molester is depressingly high. Perhaps, in my opinion, this would be a (justifiable?) use for CC. If the chain could be broken, before others were afflicted, perhaps it could be weeded down.

Lucie
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4 posted 1999-09-08 12:59 PM


OK.. I am probably going to regret putting my 2 cents in here, but nonetheless here we go. You may or may not know that my husband is currently in prison (though not for a sex crime) the criminal justice system is sadly overcrowded and undergoverned. Unless you are really paying attention to the criminal justice system you would not be as aware as Americans should be about what is going on there. In Texas alone they have decided that they need to release 65,000 criminals by the end of 1999. And even though this may mean that my husband will finally be sent home to me after spending 2 years in prison because he missed a parole appointment. (yes thats right) It also means that a lot of really bad people are going to be released into society. I for one think the government needs to get their priorities straight. It seems ignorant considering my husbands case for example that the people have to pay taxes to house a minor crime offender as opposed to keeping some of the more violent criminals in the system. (a time management class would have been a better choice for him.. haha)

Although I having been a victim of both rape and molestation and would like to agree with your vote for CC. But in good conscience as a Christian can not do this. I am only human and while I feel anger at the crimes these people commit, I have been raised to forgive. Do I want them around my children? Hell No!! So here we have a catch 22.

I think that if the government spent more time trying to rehabilitate the criminals rather then just lock them up for a few years a lot more would be accomplished.

I have a feeling that most of society is under the impression that while in prison the criminals are being sent through programs to help them to change and become productive citizens. This could not be further from the truth. My husband has not once in the 2 years he has been there attended a class or any kind of training to help him conform to society. He will be forced to attend a 9 month pre-release program which is supposed to help him but in reality is just a buffer for the government to hide the fact that they have been doing nothing to help these people at all. And now that the deadline for the mandatory release is coming to a close the 9 month programs are jammed into 3 month programs.

Is CC the way to go?? I don't know. To many people out there will come up with such strong opinions either way what differnce does it make? The government will do what they want and we have no say so in it anyway.

and I am stepping off the soapbox....

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5 posted 1999-09-08 02:57 AM


Ok, I'm sick and I really don't feel like thinking, so after I put in my say, I will promise to come back and read this when I'm feeling better... As for now, I say, put 'em all in solitary confinement for an indetermined amount of time! That's what I say....

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DreamEvil
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6 posted 1999-09-08 03:02 AM


Thank you for the support and the impassioned response to this essay. I do have a few more facts that tie in with Christopher's comments as well.

Indeed, most (about 80%) sex offenders were themselves sexually abused. Since the vast majority of those abused (again, about 80%) are female, it stands to reason that there are more female sex offenders than male. If so, where are they?

It seems to be an inherited trait as well. In homes where it is never discussed or talked about, the children of sex offenders will often come to exhibit the same behaviors as the parent that was a sex offender.

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Lucie
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7 posted 1999-09-08 08:46 AM


ok.. I have a comment for that one..haha.. Ask any teenage boy when he lost his virginity and he'll tell you he was under the age of 10. I try to explain that at 8 thats not losing your virginity thats child molestation, but they never see it that way. :::shrug::: you tell me.
Christopher
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8 posted 1999-09-09 11:48 PM


Lucie, in the response to that is relatively simple. In my opinion, it is based soley on the difference between genders.
Men love with their hearts, women love with themselves. For most guys, love is not requisite for sex. For many women, it is. Especially in a pre-adult status, boys are likely to look at sex as being a major conquest. I remember that even if a guy hadn't had sex, he had to pretend that he did to fit in.
I know the system is somewhat skewed, and I don't believe in it personally, but for a man to have many sexual encounters, it adds to his manhood. For awoman to have multiple sexual encounters, it makes her a tramp, or slut.
This stems from our need to perpetuate the species. A man having multiple sexual encounters is proving his virility, whereas with a woman, she proves nothing. She is the receptacle, and has no need to show her prowess.
Like I said, it is somewhat skewed. And in this day and age, I don't think the need for procreation is as vital as the days of the past. However, old habits, as well as predjudices, die hard.

DreamEvil
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9 posted 1999-09-10 04:55 AM


Christopher I felt the need to add a tidbit to your explanation. There is significant evidence that, at least on an evolutionary level, neither man nor woman was designed for monogamy. The shape of male genitalia alone would indicate a need for the removal of sperm cells not originating with the male the appendage is attached to. I'll stop here, before I have to move to Adult, but you get the idea.

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PhaerieChild
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10 posted 1999-09-14 03:39 AM


In response to the notion that castration is or is not a viable solution here is my 2 cents worth. Having been in 17 foster homes from age 8 to age 16 and molested in 14 of those 17 let me tell you that castration is probably not good enough. Granted you may take away their tool of destruction but how hard is it to buy a broom handle. The tool is not the problem, it is the person wielding it. Man or woman, rape and molestation are still sick and as such have needs for therapy and/or medication if it can be used effectively. If not, then long term confinement in a solitary environment would be best. I know prisons are overcrowded but to put these people in general population only seems to make them worse. Maybe an island somewhere would be a solution such as was done with Australia but keep genders separated so they cannot propagate and just let them die out on their own in their own way. Let them exercise their power on each other. That would be aversion therapy in action. My molesters were very strong willed and very much in control of the people around them and so it was hard to get any remedial help for all of us who were placed in their homes and were molested. I too would like to be able to forgive them for their power they held over me but it probably won't happen. A lot of people do go on and in my own way I have but the scars that are left are extremely deep and even though it's been 27 years since the last episode I still have problems relating to my husband in a healthy relationship. He has been very supportive of me and is aware of all the things that happened. He is a jewel in the gravel. However, I still think that molesters and rapists should be allowed to live out their but not with those they want to abuse. This is a hard topic to write about and I can think of no other solutions to it that would be beneficial to those involved. Thanks for letting me rant and rave. I think I feel better now.

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DreamEvil
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11 posted 1999-09-14 03:51 AM


About the broom handle, that is exactly my point. Rape of any kind is a crime of power, not lust.

I'm glad that you are going on past that traumatic era in your life. I hope you take pride in that.

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