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Marge Tindal
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50 posted 01-07-2000 07:28 PM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Two cents is all I've got to throw into the pot.  
Funny how the 'store' opened up and ADVERTISED for customers to come in ...
well, by golly, they came ...... now is it possible to say ... ~Whoops !  Well, we really didn't mean for you ALL to come in at the same time.~

Ron, I believe that your site is growing because of the very diversity that brings us all here.  We are poets ... some of us write lots of poetry to share ... some of us do our part and respond to the poetry of others and then we post ours and hope for some response also ...... I don't think that you want to limit people from posting.
I personally don't believe there should be any limits on the number of posts ... not by the new people we invite ... and not by the members who were here from the beginning and those who filtered in somewhere in the middle.
If I can't get to them all ... my problem ... that certainly doesn't mean they should be limited anymore than one of the 'old-timer' posters should be accorded more posts.  We all know that the number of posts doesn't make a GOOD poet ... the reader determines who the 'good' poets are.

I hope the site grows so unbelievablly large that it takes more staff, more bandwidth, and more of the stuff poets are made of.

Ron ..... don't limit yourself by letting others convince you that it need limits.
It doesn't ... GROW !  GROW !  
The 'oldies' aren't going to go anywhere ... and shame on anyone who purposefully dodges a newcomer that happens to be reaching out with multiple posts.  

~Marge Tindal~

[This message has been edited by Marge Tindal (edited 01-07-2000).]
Poet deVine
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51 posted 01-07-2000 07:43 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

To reply to Marge's post "and shame on anyone who purposefully dodges a newcomer that happens to be reaching out with multiple posts"

This applies directly to me..I made that statement and I will stand by it.

I don't have all the time in the world to read every post. I will choose one post from a newbie (right now, it's their first post) and read it.  If I see multiple posts by one poet, and I know they were posted within minutes of each other, I will read one! It's great that poets feel so free to post a lot of their work when they first come in..if you look in the archives, you'll see that it has happened a lot..but where are those poets now! It's hard to maintain that quantity of postings! Unless you write 5 or 6 poems a day! And if you do that, where do you find the time to READ all the poems by other members?

[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 01-07-2000).]
Member Rara Avis
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52 posted 01-08-2000 05:56 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

I do agree with PdV - BUT I still think the education just isn't working. It either isn't obvious enough - or is being ignored. These poets need to be aware of the feelings about multiple postings - NOW.

There are so many people here and everyone deserves to be listened to, and have their poetic voice respected and encouraged - but I think it works both ways.

I personally know of one poet who, that I was last aware of, had made 80 posts - 74 originating. This does not seems particularly fair. Certain rules need to be respected to ensure the smooth running of our second home - and I stand by the idea of limiting originating posts in Open on a daily basis.  
Member Patricius
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53 posted 01-08-2000 07:25 PM       View Profile for hoot_owl_rn   Email hoot_owl_rn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit hoot_owl_rn's Home Page   View IP for hoot_owl_rn more word from me on this one...NO,/b> there is nothing that says we have to read every post...but quite frankly, I hate to miss a single one for fear the one I pass up will be the one that touches me like no other. I am a faithful reader and replier, but also do more than my fair share of posting....but with a ratio of 5140 posts to 236 originating posts, I think I can afford to post as often as I should and do not post more than 2/ day unless I'm posting to different forums. I do not think there is going to be an easy answer to this solution, and I think as PDV is probably going to work as well as anything, but I'll agree to what ever solution Ron comes up with.
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54 posted 01-11-2000 06:04 AM       View Profile for JTF   Email JTF   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for JTF

adding my 2 Francs to the subject ... First ROFLMAO @ Toerag's comment ... Man, your wit will always impress me ...   ... As you can see I'm a small "poster", about 260 messages, 0.5 originating (0.5 cause my poem was posted by my Partner in Crime *s*) ... and like many I don't have enough time to read them all (no to mention that I have to translate them .. LOL) but I do not think that there should be limitation on the number of poems one can post every day ... if I miss some great poems, and unfortunately I'm sure I do, I blame it on me (or on my boss *g*) ... It's *my* choice and I wouldn't like to have restraints on posting just so I can be sure I won't miss something ... people posting several poems in a row take the risk that they won't be read ... it's their choice ... and frankly I can't remember a time when the number of new poems prevented me from reading the ones I wanted or was looking for ... it's not that difficult to go to page 7 or 10 is it ? ... and I wouldnt mind reading 5 or 6 poems in a row by a talented poet ...  

Geeesh, is it me, the French, talking to you about freedom of speech ? ...  
Local Rebel
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55 posted 01-11-2000 05:45 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Now that you mention it Jef -- the thought did not occur to me that limiting numbers of posts ensures that everyone would be missing quite a number of works.

But alas I am but an alien on this poetry planet.  
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56 posted 01-11-2000 09:41 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

JTF: ROFL @ Partner in Crime ..that takes me back..  


†Don't ask me where I'm going, just listen when I'm gone and far away you'll hear me singing softly to the dawn.

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57 posted 01-12-2000 04:49 AM       View Profile for JTF   Email JTF   Edit/Delete Message     View IP for JTF

Hawk : yep sir, you're damn right ... Hey watch out for men in black ! ..  

Rainbow : you mean when we were young ? ... ROFL ... HUSG
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58 posted 01-12-2000 12:37 PM       View Profile for FreeByrd   Email FreeByrd   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit FreeByrd's Home Page   View IP for FreeByrd

Whatís all the fuss? I think this topic has received way too much attention.

All I see here is people trying to justify their actions and jump on some bandwagon to enforce arbitrary restrictions. In case you havenít heard, the wall was taken down between East and West. Letís not build another one.

The only sensible words Iíve read here are from Marge Tindal. Despite what Disney would have you believe ď Itís not a small world after all Ē . If your looking for that cozy little fledgling Passions in Poetry forget it, itís gone. Learn to change and GROW.

Remember the old saying ď Be careful of what you wish for. You might get itĒ. Start putting these types of restrictions on people and thatís exactly what your going to get. A cozy little Passions in Poetry where the big topic of conversation will be.

Where have all the Poets gone?

Ron, It works. Donít fix it.
Sally S.
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59 posted 01-14-2000 01:03 PM       View Profile for Sally S.   Email Sally S.   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Sally S.

GEEZ!!!!  Ok..ok...Listen, I personally do not post mutiples.  I don't have the time to write as much as I'd like to.  BUT, it is in my opinion that if you start adding more and more rules, you will discourage newcomers in general.  I agree with much of what Sharon has said and I feel in general, the guildlines should stand.  If a newcomer doesn't take the hint from the "Welcome" email, then I, myself...would have to pass on reading the LONG LINE of works they've posted.

Ron's original idea from this post was not that bad...yet many of you shot that down.  Why?  Because many of us "older members" are as gulty as the so-called "newcomers".  Which is fine...if you want less of a response.  I was talking with another member recently and I commented, "I could spend all my waking hours on this site...had I the time, but I don't.  The number of posts is overwhelming and if I miss a day or two, I'm LOST.  It doesn't keep me away but, it does limit my responses."

Balladeer, I don't know the answer.  I would go with Ron's idea.  It would definately work!!  I can't imagine anyone wanting their second post put on the back pages.  The only problem I see is to make sure it only effects one forum at a time.  A limit of one NEW post...per forum...per day.  What's wrong with THAT?

If you're someone who has the ability to write TONS of poetry in a short period of time.  Save it.  In my opinion, you will be rewarded much more, not to mention it would give you time to go over it make any editing changes. (If nessasary   )

Well, I guess I've said enough.  Thank you.
Kevin Taylor
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60 posted 01-16-2000 02:14 AM       View Profile for Kevin Taylor   Email Kevin Taylor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Kevin Taylor's Home Page   View IP for Kevin Taylor has an interface that only lets you post so many in a 24 hour period. Works fine.
But without actually imposing restrictions there is a practical solution to at least the multiple posts (someone said 5 or 6 but I must have missed that) in Critical Analysis. Solution is to actually do what the forum is for. Some folks do a little crit but much of what I've seen is mutual admiration society stuff. Not to say that there isn't some damned fine stuff there... there most certainly is. Other works require ... work. I recently made the error of criting a poem very directly and using a word that was unusual or misunderstood by some and the forum disolved into a first aid station and was distracted from its mission. There were more than a few injuries on that one and I think that had the forum adopted and held onto strict / high standards of crit and analysis that the problem would not have occured. My opinion and we all have one... I know.
Still, I think that a more Socratic approach to the new writers, challenging them along poetic lines etc would ... I'm beating this to death aren't I...


"Poetry is, at once, what you get... and how you got there."

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61 posted 01-16-2000 05:31 PM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

Well I am upset by the whole topic at present.  I asked a member of DP to cut back on multiple postings and now he is threatening to leave.  I did it nicely, perhaps he has misunderstood, I have since sent emails, even a card!!  I sent this topic piece and the forum guidelines in hopes he will understand.  He hasn't responded to anything I have sent.  I am really upset by the whole thing at present.
I agree to everything here of course, but gosh when it goes the wrong way as this did, it is so upsetting.

 Let your heart guide you. It whispers, so listen closely.
(Sovereign of the Spirit)

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