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Poet deVine
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25 posted 01-02-2000 07:14 PM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Fantasyland is fine!  
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26 posted 01-02-2000 07:27 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

They probably would bring up their posts once they found them, wouldn't they? Or have a friend do it for them. I never thought of that. I guess a restriction of some sort is the only to go. I haven't noticed multiple posts by the 'older' members so perhaps a restriction for the 'newbies' is all that would be needed if that could be programmed in without too much trouble.  

 Denise

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27 posted 01-02-2000 07:38 PM       View Profile for Severn   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Severn

Well, solutions have been debated and debated. SOMETHING has to be done - I have come back from ONE day away - and have found so many new pages of new poems I can't possibly keep up! When I go back to studying in 2 months I fear it is going to be impossible for me to keep up with the time allowances I will have!

It seems like whatever is done there will be someone who is unhappy in hopefully only a small way - I would say that is going to be unpreventable. This place is HUGE and it is only going to get huger and I think the problem has to be remedied now.

I do think multiple posts should be prevented - ignoring them won't work - not everyone will abide by that and I am sure it will lead to hurt feelings eventually, perhaps justifiably.

It is true that if the guidelines in place are being ignored - then that is the responsibility of the reader, but still, like 'deer - I simply think we should limit starting posts.

That's me!


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28 posted 01-02-2000 10:11 PM       View Profile for WhtDove   Email WhtDove   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit WhtDove's Home Page   View IP for WhtDove

Well, I'm late and far behind here.  I find this just as aggrivating as everyone else.
I have given up on trying to read everything, I just can't.  I have an idea, and I just don't know if it would work or not.  Ron I think we could give yours a try. I'm sure it would definitely make them stop and think when their poem didn't show up on top.

If they post multiple ones, maybe they could be emailed with this warning...The rules state not to do multiple postings.  You can choose to keep two of your poems on here,(in a 24 hr period) and let us know what those will be.  Or if we are not notified within 24 hours of your decision, we will choose 2 and delete the rest.  

I don't know if it's too harsh, but they certainly aren't heeding anything else!  Maybe something like that, at least they were warned and then we just delete the rest.


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29 posted 01-02-2000 10:59 PM       View Profile for Mike   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Mike

I have this friend I met at work...
er... maybe that one wouldn't work.  
seriously... I may be off base here... but multiple postings do not seem to be the sole cause of the problem...  it would appear to me with 2000+ poets you are going to have a lot of postings, and I don't see limiting mulitple postings as being a solution to the problem.  I recognize that there are a limited number of people that will respond to my poetry and basically it is the same group of poets.  I readily admit that most trips into passions I restrict myself to a small list of poets just because of the time factor and don't respond to some poems because I know because by the author they will receive multiple responses by virtue of the fact who they are and responding will be pushing off less popular authors.  I guess the bottom line is... certain authors because of the quality of their work and their recognition will always be near the top... and others who include some exceptional works will not receive much time on the first page.  After all of this rambling, I guess my response is.. it is the nature of the beast when you have this many poets and the nature of these forums.  Certain poets will be on top along with certain types of poetry.  Some poets including exceptional works in my non-intellectual opinion, I know will quickly slide into oblivion because of factors which multiple postings may play a small role, but not the predominate one.  It does not hurt my feelings to see multiple postings of some of our better poets.. and I doubt it does a great many people.  Anyway... enough ramblings.
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30 posted 01-04-2000 02:54 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I agree with all that limiting only new members would be ideal since our established member are more responsible in their actions, however, I did not mention it because, from a programming standpoint, it would add more steps to be done. After hitting the POST NEW TOPIC button, the number of previous entries for the past 24 hours would have to be checked AND THEN there would have to be a check as to whether it was a new member or not. I hesitate to ask for more programming duties. Besides, it's a moot point. If the established members would be following the guidelines, so what if they are being checked? It wouldn't matter.
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31 posted 01-04-2000 05:03 PM       View Profile for DreamEvil   Email DreamEvil   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit DreamEvil's Home Page   View IP for DreamEvil

Please correct any flaws in this.

The system distinguishes between Junior, Senior, and Emeritus members already so it performs the very checks you speak of anyway. From my own standpoint, a non-programmer, it seems easy enough to set the system to allow only a limited number of posts to Junior members. I will defer to anyone with more knowledge of programming than I.


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32 posted 01-04-2000 05:07 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Might a most humble newbie proffer an opinion and suggestion?

I think Hootie has an excellent point in that many only get to visit here in spurts... self included.

And, being a firm believer that less rules works better (every rule precipitates more problems than the ones they are presented to solve) perhaps the paradigm shift should be away from attempting to read every work.

Perhaps a solution could be to offer a subscription service so members can subscribe to preferred members works and be notified when that member posts -- thereby not missing any favorites.

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33 posted 01-04-2000 05:23 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

One more thing...

Being the engineer and statistician that I am I've noticed that deer has a ratio of about 7% originating posts to total... Toerag has about 18% and I have about 12%.

Perhaps, if there is a desire to set some software solution in place it should be to hold a ratio in check at some agreed upon level.

Thanks for offering this forum!  
Elizabeth Santos
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34 posted 01-04-2000 10:09 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth Santos   Email Elizabeth Santos   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Elizabeth Santos

I find myself selecting certain poets to read and ignoring the newcomers, for lack of time. And sometimes I don't answer responses to my own poem so as not to bring my poem to the top, and some readers may be offended that I didn't respond to their comments even though I read them all. I think every poet should be restricted to 2 poems per day. That is certainly enough.There is some great poetry being pushed to the back
I also think the page is shorter with the new format, Could they put more entries to a page?
Liz
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35 posted 01-05-2000 12:44 AM       View Profile for Isis   Email Isis   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Isis's Home Page   View IP for Isis

I'm even later here, but I think limiting junior members to one posting a day is fair enough..
Like even if you have 5 new poems you want to post at one time, you can wait, why shouldn't you wait??  It is self indulgence under another name.  
As our numbers grow I fear problems will too.
But basically I shall stand by your side and hold your hand on this one Sir Balladeer  

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36 posted 01-05-2000 09:29 AM       View Profile for Sunshine   Email Sunshine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Sunshine's Home Page   View IP for Sunshine

Adding my two cents here...

First I was sick, then on vacation, then sick again.  You can imagine that in a week's time, I lost a lot of reading.  I came back to hundreds of new names - so KUDOS, Ron, on the successes you have garnered.  And while some of the works of the newer poets I have read seem to suffer in substance, there is a lot of new, really good stuff.  

I have not posted anything myself in some time.  I am guilty [early on] of multiple postings myself:  I was so hungry to see what responses I would garner - if anyone felt I was "good enough" to pursue this love of poetry.

I don't know if any of the above will work with new members, other than having the computer read and limit any and all members to one posting a day in any forum.  This will frustrate some members and they will leave. Others who are passionate in their work and have formed wonderful alliances here will understand and stay.  This will weed out the true poets from the wannabes.

I have [although not in New Years Resolution Form] decided that I need to work more on my poetry before posting.  I need to spend more time on perfecting the words so that the art of the piece will sing at a higher level.  That's my contribution to "less posting, more reading, and harder working at the art I love."

A belated HNY to everyone.



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Denise
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37 posted 01-05-2000 09:40 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

Happy New Year to you, too, Sunshine! I hope you are feeling better!  


I think one post is a bit restrictive. I'd set the limit a little higher...maybe 2-4 per day(per 24 hr period)...I think I could handle that...  

 Denise

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38 posted 01-05-2000 07:07 PM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

I knew I should have gone home on time... for after a relatively happy day, I came here and read this... and my mood plummeted.
Since the updates to the forum, accessing from home has been a nightmare for me... the graphics are more than my dinosaur can bear so I've turned them off... that allows me to access, but it's a laborious process because I get 7-8 domain security errors between each and every page. To read and answer a single poem, I've gone through 28 or more OK clicks on a slow computer. It's not what I'd call a fun way to pass the time.
Which is just my long-winded way... hell, this is my 2000th post so I'm not even going to apologize for being long-winded... of saying that my access time suddenly went from brief moments at work and leisurely hours at home to read and enjoy poems to brief moments at work... and my office was closed for 10 days over the holidays!
Still, I came back eager and full of anticipation... which all vanishes with this talk of limitations. Yesterday, I posted poems for the first time in at least two weeks... and now I'm feeling GUILTY for posting two in one day??? I exceeded some quota??? NOOOOOOOO!
I'm sorry, folks... it doesn't make sense to me to keep soliciting new members if we're only going to complain about the volume. Yes, I'd love to read every poem. No, that isn't possible. So I make choices even while wanting it all... I can't have every dessert at Piccadilly, either! *G*
It bothers me very much to see quality poems drifting down the list so rapidly... and that problem seems exacerbated now that I'm not seeing 50 poems listed on the first page. It particularly bothers me if one of those poems is mine! LOL. (You'll note, I dropped the quality adjective. *G*)
But I do not feel it is self-indulgent to post two poems within a 24 hour period... and I can't bring myself to apologize for doing so!
And I shudder to think that's the direction these forums may be heading...
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39 posted 01-05-2000 09:20 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Don't shudder, Suthern girl. I assure you no one would ever consider limiting poets to less than two poems per day...and that is 14 poems per week. I would hardly call that unfair limiting...would you? Toerag, of course, would be limited to one per week LOL!
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40 posted 01-05-2000 11:53 PM       View Profile for Bojopy   Email Bojopy   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bojopy

As a new member I can see why u want to post so many poems at once it is a listener u never had.. I apologize about this and maybe a good solution would be to allowing just 3 new poems a day or in so many hours. I think this site is wonderful and I think the soul purpose of it should be giving responses and I have learned that quite quickly.  Maybe that should be said in the first email one recieves!


 

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41 posted 01-06-2000 12:12 AM       View Profile for Poet deVine   Email Poet deVine   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Poet deVine

Ok..another two cents from me.. let's try education. Perhaps Ron can make the Guideline about multiple posting stand out more in the e-mail that is sent to new members (the one with their password)...yesterday, I sent out several E-cards to newbies with their first poem..if I noticed that the had multiples, I gently 'advised them'..if there was no e-mail address, I told them in a reply!

Not sure I like the idea of limits..I know I'm a bottom feeder (remember the T.P. war?)..LOL

The site is growing and will continue to grow..there is nothing to stop it. I've predicted we'll have 10,000 members by the end of the year (yes that includes the Justins and the MissMillis!)...the Pub was created as a quieter place to post....you might try posting in there for a time..

I will now leave the podium (going back to Fantasyland! LOL)..thanks for listening!

[This message has been edited by Poet deVine (edited 01-06-2000).]
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42 posted 01-06-2000 07:44 AM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

Okay, I'll add my two cents worth. Balladeer, How dare you imply that Sy is more "kind, gentle, peaceful or uncontroversial than me?.....I'm crushed!...And another thing...."Toe would be limited to one per week?".....Obviously, you haven't been reading my crap....I'm lucky if one the pieces of garbage I post can even be considered a poem in a week!!....And last but not least, the title of this?...I thought it was gonna be something Balladeer said to his lady friend last night before they went to sleep?...




[This message has been edited by Toerag (edited 01-06-2000).]
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43 posted 01-06-2000 08:35 AM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

ROFG @ title... I knew I could count on Toe to regenerate my smile. *S*
Nan
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44 posted 01-06-2000 10:39 AM       View Profile for Nan   Email Nan   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Nan's Home Page   View IP for Nan

Toe... It's pretty difficult to conceive of putting any kind of limits on you, Sweets.....
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45 posted 01-06-2000 01:21 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

You always leave me with aching sides from laughing so hard, Toe! You are a gem!  

 Denise

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46 posted 01-06-2000 02:21 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

Yeah, he's a gem alright.. a useless piece of rock that only serves a purpose when someone gives it a finger! Don't encourage him, Denise!!! He'll keep coming up with those insane comments about me that have me ROTFLMAO!!!   
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47 posted 01-06-2000 03:21 PM       View Profile for Elizabeth   Email Elizabeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Elizabeth's Home Page   View IP for Elizabeth

And in comes Elizabeth, Procrastinator Emeritus. LOL at some of these posts in here.

I don't know how to fix this problem (deVine isn't the only one out there in Fantasyland) but if a limitation is the way to do it, then I say go for it, and a thankyou to Ron for all he has done for this site!

Anything else you would like my most valued opinion on?  

Elizabeth

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48 posted 01-06-2000 04:23 PM       View Profile for Betty Gravitt   Email Betty Gravitt   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Betty Gravitt

I am a fairly new member, and I do love this place. I don't post that often, but I do read the poems everyday. However I have found that there are so many new post by the same poet that I am skipping them. I know that is not fair, but I don't have time to read every one, and I still like reading poems by my favorites. I have been guilty of posting two poems in one day. Please we all make mistakes.  
If I spend what time I have reading my favorite poets post, then I will miss some terrific stuff posted by the new members. I want a solution that will allow me to read more of all the poems posted.
The rate I'm going now it will be March before I catch up to January, and no I'm not that slow honest. Maybe a limit to two poems is the answer to this question. If not I hope one is found very soon. I don't even post as many replies as I once did.   That is bad.


 B Gravitt


Denise
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49 posted 01-06-2000 08:04 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

This place would certainly not be the same without the antics of both you and Toe, Balladeer! Sooooooo entertaining...you have no idea!  

 Denise

 
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