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Ron: Are you moderating this site on your own now?

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RainbowGirl
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0 posted 10-31-1999 08:10 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

I can't help but notice that moderators are disappearing left, right and centre....not that it is any of my business but is there a reason?

So far as the controversy is concerned re the Dream post...I stand by what I say about it being someone's choice to read but equally I stand by the right to say what you think and I hope if I had said what Izzy said, I'd still be able to post this message...food for thought?

As a note of possibly no interest...many, many years ago when my daughter was a year old and I was having a hard time managing, I was dealing with my local social services department...a young baby girl, only 13 months was so severely raped, she died...the man later admitted he got the idea from a story he'd read...now I can't comment on and I'm not saying that Dream's story could give other's the same idea but it is a well known fact that when you see a different type of murder/rape/burglary/torture etc there is usually a copycat fairly soon after...

sorry to be so dismal but I can't get the idea out of my head of how that mother felt and therefore could understand any mother or father's concern at the idea of a child being mutilated.


Julie
Ryan
Dream (we all know why)
Izzy


HUGS

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You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give.

[This message has been edited by RainbowGirl (edited 10-31-1999).]

[This message has been edited by RainbowGirl (edited 10-31-1999).]
Ron
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1 posted 10-31-1999 08:29 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

Julie asked to be relieved of the task a few weeks ago, as she had many other things happening and it was taking too much time. It is, after all, a tough job.

After much prodding (and putting away other projects for a while), I spent a little time in the Teen forum. Ryan hasn't been around a lot, if at all, and it shows badly. I am disturbed by much of what I saw (and, I should quickly add, gratified by much else), and I'm sure there will be some changes there soon.




[This message has been edited by Ron (edited 10-31-1999).]
RainbowGirl
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2 posted 10-31-1999 08:41 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Sorry Ron, I edited my post whilst you were replying...didn't want anyone to think you were ignoring my comments..

Thanks for the explanation re Ryan and Julie..

HUGS

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You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give.

Ron
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3 posted 10-31-1999 09:32 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

And I was replying while you were editing - wouldn't want anyone to think I was ignoring your primary point...

I want to make something really, really, really clear - because it seems virtually no one has understood my intent. (If I sound frustrated, it's because I am. And I don't mean to make it sound like I'm frustrated at you, RG. It's just that I keep hearing these same intimations and they contradict everything this place is about.)

With over 1,500 Members and 70,000 posts, I have only banned three people. And the last two were at a Moderator's request. I do not and will not "shut someone up" for disagreeing with me. Both Scott and Izzy still have full posting rights. They can (and have) said exactly what they think of me and of Passions. I do not "punish" people and no Member here should ever feel they can't safely disagree with me.

Asking Scott to resign as moderator was not intended as punishment for his post or for anything else. He and I can still be poets on the same site, and I hope he and I can still be friends. Because I think disagreeing with someone's view - even strong disagreement - doesn't preclude friendship. Or respect.

But it does, sometimes, preclude working too closely together. How can I expect someone to be a Moderator, making judgments about what should and shouldn't be posted at Passions, when I feel I can't trust that judgment to reflect my own desires? I don't let people drive my car when they've repeatedly made me doubt their judgement. And Passions is a hell of a lot more important to me than my car. If I tell someone I don't want them to drive my car, it's not a punishment. I'm not getting even. I'm simply trying to protect something I'd like to keep intact.

Izzy is a slightly different story. I did not agree with the tone of her posts, and I tried to explain to her why. But I also consider her posts to be an isolated instance and not typical of her normally good judgment. I think her apology to DreamEvil and the members of Passions is far more indicative of her judgement - and her integrity - than her angry posts will ever be. She's no longer a moderator at her own request - angry as that request may have been at the time - and because I made the mistake of reacting to her anger instead of talking to her.

None of these changes have been made out of anger or spite. I didn't punish people, I don't punish people, and the Members of Passions don't need to fear I'm going to start. The changes were simply that - changes.

[This message has been edited by Ron (edited 11-04-1999).]
RainbowGirl
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4 posted 10-31-1999 10:49 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

hey Ron, if you're going to get frustrated, who better than a Rainbow..*g*

Seriously, I do understand how tough it must be because managing always is..

I can understand your analogy with the car and therefore wanting your principles to be reflected throughout Passions and that is surely your prerogative as it would be mine in your position..

Thanks for taking the time to explain your viewpoint but could you clear something up for me, is this an error:

"I do not and will "shut someone up" for disagreeing with me"

My apologies for frustrating you (tongue in cheek) but I'm sure I wasn't the only one wondering ...

HUGS


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You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give.



[This message has been edited by RainbowGirl (edited 10-31-1999).]
Ron
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5 posted 10-31-1999 10:58 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

See, that's what you get for making me write something off the top of my head, without proper editing. Yea, RG, that was indeed a typo - should've been a NOT in there!

Thanks for the understanding...
RainbowGirl
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6 posted 10-31-1999 11:01 PM       View Profile for RainbowGirl   Email RainbowGirl   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit RainbowGirl's Home Page   View IP for RainbowGirl

Ron: I know it was a typo..I was just trying to inject a little humour and we all make mistakes..

HUGS

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You give but little when you give of your possessions. It is when you give of yourself that you truly give.

DreamEvil
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7 posted 11-01-1999 12:55 AM       View Profile for DreamEvil   Email DreamEvil   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit DreamEvil's Home Page   View IP for DreamEvil

As I previously stated in Prose, I have no qualms with Ron's decisions in this regard. He and Passions still have my absolute loyalty.

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Now and forever, my heart hears ~one voice~.
DreamEvilŠ

Toerag
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8 posted 11-01-1999 03:39 PM       View Profile for Toerag   Email Toerag   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Toerag

I will reply to this one last time...still wanting all that read this to know I don't know what happened.....LongJohn, Suthern, Rainbow, Iloveit, Carolina Girl and myself all came from a "message board" poetry forum that had no password for age identification purposes. Sex and or controversial subjects did not ruin that forum, but all out ridicule, slander, and plain meaness did. There were no rules for moderation other than it must be written as "poetry"....it drove away many of us....conflict will ruin any site..no matter how diverse or great the site is....I think this can be resolved with wisdom, if it hasn't already been resolved. I hope and pray this doesn't continue to go on and on as it did at the last place "we" subscribed to. This site is wonderful...there will be mistakes made....(when there are this many members from all over the world, different backgrounds, different education levels, different cultures...there will be occasional controversies, misunderstandings, and problems...but the expertise and wisdom that is continuously shown here is unbelievable....I hope and pray this passes quickly and all get back to fun and poetry. Don't let one post ruin the good fortune we all enjoy here.....We all screw up sometime/somewhere....(I do it most all the time and everywhere)....overlook what ya don't like, thrive on what you do like.....PLEASE?
suthern
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9 posted 11-01-1999 03:55 PM       View Profile for suthern   Email suthern   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for suthern

Toe: To your plea, I can only add a fervent Amen!!
Systematic Decay
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10 posted 11-03-1999 10:45 PM       View Profile for Systematic Decay   Email Systematic Decay   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Systematic Decay

Ron, after reading this, I think I understand the whole situation better, and I am sorry if any of my posts on the whole DE matter were in bad taste-which some probably were.

Toe, I agree 100%.

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Thinking is just what a great many people think they are doing when they are merely rearranging their predjudices.


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