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PoetryNest
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since 2000-11-08
Posts 46
Orlando, FL. 32703

0 posted 2000-11-10 01:15 AM


Thank you for your imput.
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Hazelnut Coffee

The aroma seeps from its pores
golden-brown oak
hugging doorways, windows,
and planked underfoot
vanilla curls
from ivory candles, glowing
softly around the room
as shadows mingle
lighthearted laughter
with Venetian wallpaper
I see you through the darkness
distinguished, animal magnetism
and my imprudence stands
exposed, as my body
sits opposite you
smooth and creamy
hazelnut coffee
the only witness
as our conversation slips
into whipped cream.





Cynthia (A Dove) Proctor

© Copyright 2000 Cynthia Proctor - All Rights Reserved
warmhrt
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since 1999-12-18
Posts 1563

1 posted 2000-11-10 12:02 PM


I liked this, especially the atmosphere it creates. You involve all of the senses here, nicely done.

One thing bothers me a little, however...the first few lines.

"The aroma seeps from its pores
golden-brown oak
hugging doorways, windows,
and planked underfoot"

If I'm reading it right, you are saying that the aroma of hazelnut seeps from the pores of the wood within the room. Though "hazelnut" is not just a flavor...it is an "atmosphere", am I right? It is a bit confusing to me. At first it seems as though you are describing the aroma as akin to the wood, ie "golden-brown". Perhaps it could be worded in such a way that both of these  points are clearer.

All in all, I liked both versions, although this is better. I like your imagery and phrasing. You create a warm and tantalizing  picture here,
mia


...got to be somewhere better than in the middle...~Wallflowers

jbouder
Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash
2 posted 2000-11-10 12:13 PM


PoetryNest:

Welcome to CA.

I agree with much of what Elizabeth mentioned in your previous version of this post.  I think, with a little work, this could be a strong piece of work.  For the purposes of this critique, I will do my best to prevent my aversion to hazelnut coffee (uck!) from influencing my opinion of the poem.  

There were a few places in the poem that stood out to me as being relatively weak.

quote:
vanilla curls
from ivory candles, glowing
softly around the room
as shadows mingle
lighthearted laughter
with Venetian wallpaper


Besides the syntax problems that made reading these lines difficult, your adjective use seemed a little wordy.  "Laughter" seems to be a relatively weak noun and I am certain there is better way to say "lighthearted laughter".  

When I have more time I'll try to come back and take a closer look.  All-in-all, I like the poem and the mood you've set.  Thanks for the read.

Jim


Elizabeth Cor
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since 2000-10-13
Posts 879
Over the river and through the woods
3 posted 2000-11-11 03:01 AM


Cynthia, may I call you Cynthia? Is Cynthia your name or is (A Dove) some sort of riddle?   This is a wonderful improvement. A few more suggestions:

The aroma seeps from its pores
~ I'm still having trouble with this line. Even with your explanation from the first version,
this line doesn't quite ring clear… and with the revised lines following it, it now seems a little stale.
(One of the terrors of revisions is that you sometimes create problems by evolving the rest of the verse. Grrr, I hate that.)

vanilla curls
~better… but not quite "it".

distinguished, animal magnetism
and my imprudence stands
exposed, as my body
sits opposite you
~ YEA!

as our conversation slips
into whipped cream
~ This is okay if you don't mind the poem being "cute".
Infact, if  "cute" is the goal, the whole thing is fine as is… but beware, the CA wolves don't like cute    .
This is completely your choice.

There are other changes, but I think a few other analyst need to dig in first.    

Remember, every poem is a work in progress and can ALWAYS be improved. No matter how many revisions you post here, there is always something someone can point out. The key is to ask for suggestions until YOU feel the poem reads right, feels right, and conveys every image you wished to communicate.

Overall, this version really overtakes the original... a warmth is apparent here that was not as evident in the original. Lovely job.

~ Beth

P.S. Before Brad gets to ya (hi, Brad   :
it's a requisite in CA to critique others in CA regardless of your faith in the ability of critiquing if you want to continue to get your own pieces torn to shreds    .
I know, I was forced to    ,
and much like the echo of your parents' advice when you were a teen, following it comes to much good ( prior to a bit of sulking). The eyes of the more skilful will grace your pieces much more quickly if your name gets attached to others' pieces… just lettin' ya know.




[This message has been edited by Elizabeth Cor (edited 11-11-2000).]

jbouder
Member Elite
since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash
4 posted 2000-11-11 01:39 PM


PoetryNest:

Elizabeth wrote:

quote:
P.S. Before Brad gets to ya (hi, Brad it's a requisite in CA to critique others in CA regardless of your faith in the ability if critiquing if you want to continue to get your own pieces torn to shreds.  I know, I was forced to


We prefer to call it a "courtesy" rather than a "requisite".     Elizabeth was a special case ... she required a little more discipline than most.        

Again, welcome to CA.  I enjoyed the poem (even if I prefer a good dark roast over hazelnut any day of the week).

Jim  

Elizabeth Cor
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since 2000-10-13
Posts 879
Over the river and through the woods
5 posted 2000-11-12 05:22 AM


Jim (and Cynthia... I can still call ya Cynthia, right?  ),
I meant requisite in the sense that over time responses will dwindle, and your own initial post will not receive credit if others are not receiving feedback. Not in the sense that you MUST reply to exist here. It was a bad choice of wording, my apologies... and thank you for the needed correction.

And I know I'm a special case... you don't have to rub it in  .


~ Beth



[This message has been edited by Elizabeth Cor (edited 11-12-2000).]

PoetryNest
Junior Member
since 2000-11-08
Posts 46
Orlando, FL. 32703
6 posted 2000-11-12 10:23 AM


No apology called for. You're stating the truth.
I just have a time issue (very limited). When I'm not
at work, or trying to grab a few hrs. sleep, I maintain The Nest,
which has a fairly active forum.
Your forums are wonderful, and you are all very kind.
I like it here, and will visit as much as time permits.   Thank you, again.

Not A Poet
Member Elite
since 1999-11-03
Posts 3885
Oklahoma, USA
7 posted 2000-11-13 11:44 AM


Cynthia,

I think the revision is good, for the most part. Hovever, I still prefer the original ending. This one may border on the "cute" side but, more importantly I think, it takes away some of the ambiguity and room for interpretation that the original provided.

Thanks



Pete

Imagination is more important than knowledge
Albert Einstein

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