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Forrest Cain
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since 2000-04-21
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Chas.,W.V. USA

0 posted 2000-04-25 08:23 AM


There are old memories, beautiful memories
memories beyond knowing in trees
memories of water and light
and the way the leaves hold the wind
just so the shadows crossing the hill
muted green the pattern, from the start
to be and breathe
a good beginning, a perfect beginning,
river and sky the colors flow
blue on blue and yellow sun
owl memories
crow memories
memories of God in trees.

...sufficient to see we climb above the undergrowth
in the distance the hills shimmer and blur
the edges purple and persimmon...

and there are dream memories, birth memories
memories of innocence in trees
memories of fairies and stars
and mountains splashing down
and the way one holds a newborn child
just so to rock by an open fire
lap memories
song memories
memories of wonder in trees
bird nest child, scarecrow child
child with leaves in his hair
(we step quietly along the margins)

...the fabric folds back on itself
again and again
as delicate as the wings of a dragonfly
fanning a silver mist...

and there are sad memories, cruel memories
memories of bloodshed in trees
memories of death and despair
and the way the sun filters through
just so the light that touches his face
like shadow puppets or butterflies
the movement of the leaves
that play across his mottled face
bent beneath the tree
earth memories
flower memories
memories of darkness in trees.

...long forgotten
an old red bicycle
lies rusting in the rain
to see it there
makes us cry.

We balance the memories one to a side
bird song
apple blossom
the tracings of snow along the branch
the stillness, the motion
the whispers of the tree
one and alone or together the memories come
storm memories
drought memories
memories of ice-age in trees
broken twig child
muddy creek child  
child who fell from the sky.

...and I think to myself
what a terrible thing
to hang from a tree and die
what a terrible thing to do
to a tree...

(your life is not your own
it belongs to those you love
and to thse who love you)
                              
forrest
1999  
In memory of Freddie Williams
who I loved but not enough.



[This message has been edited by Forrest Cain (edited 06-13-2000).]

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Ted Reynolds
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since 1999-12-15
Posts 331

1 posted 2000-04-25 09:58 AM


This is marvellously crafted.  I hope Brad picks it for a "Moderator's Choice."  I think a lot of us can learn from this one.  "Memory of Trees" is the perfect title.

I hope readers take the time to notice the recurrent repetitions (but never mechanically precise) of the meters and cadences in each stanza.  This adds to a series of "deja vu"s that enhances the flowing feel of real memories.  The evocation of all the senses --  not only sight -- is also lovingly rendered.

"Their" should be "there" in a couple of places, "it's self" is "itself," "broken-heart child" might work, but, for me, "broke-heart" doesn't.  The "intrauteral the unborn" lines really don't work for me . . . not in that way in this poem.  The last lines, although fine, don't really have the closure to end the poem, and I feel I've seen similar too many times before.  Perhaps something "better," either stronger or dreamier, IMHO.  Everything else is pure dream, flow, and gold.

I love this poem.

[This message has been edited by Ted Reynolds (edited 04-25-2000).]

Forrest Cain
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since 2000-04-21
Posts 306
Chas.,W.V. USA
2 posted 2000-04-25 10:23 AM


Ted thank you for your wonderful critique.
This was written for one individual and the
intauterine was part of the horrors that
was occuring at that time. The hanging of
my best friend, the murder by drug dealers
of a young friends nine month pregnant sister
I had reservations about it working but
thought I`d float it out to see. I`ve had
a terrible time with the ending and will
continue to revise. Thanks again.
cony

tom
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since 2000-01-26
Posts 90
s/w penna u.s.a.
3 posted 2000-04-25 11:56 AM


Forrest Cain
Yes I did enjoy this poem,giving the trees perspective did add a twist to the brutality of death(murder).The last stanza did distract from the intent of the poem,
if I may

An old red tennis shoe long forgotten
lies rotting in the rain
to see it there makes us cry

it splits the focus between the tree and the memory of the person,for me anyway
just a thought

tom

bboog
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since 2000-02-29
Posts 303
Valencia, California
4 posted 2000-04-25 01:40 PM


Forest~
    This poem features some lovely images and word choices and I liked it. I wonder though, if it might be more aptly titled "My Memory of Trees"? (As you are writing about how you remember/associate things/memories with trees).
    Also "their" is written several times. Example: and "their" are heart memories, soul memories.
   Perhaps "there" or "theirs"?
   One other suggestion: I think it might flow better with just one speaker. What I mean is to simply stick to "me" and "I" instead of "we" and "us" (or vice-versa) as the reader isn't certain who the "we" and "us" really are. Example: You start out with:
sufficient to see "we" climb above the undergrowth
Then move to:to see it there makes "us" cry...
"we" balance the memories one
to a side
Then finally:and someone calls "my" name
but I can`t remember

So it might read,
sufficient to see I climb above the undergrowth
Then move to:to see it there makes me cry...
I balance the memories one
to a side
Then finally:and someone calls my name

Last of all, I think you need to create a more evocative line than the "iron memories" and "wolf memories". You want the "mottled" line to stand out a bit more.
Maybe "damaged memories" and "damned memories" - something that will jump out at us. Also, perhaps change "sparrows" to "despair"? And the "smell of ashes" instead of "memory of ashes" I think might work better.
  Anyway, good job and nicely done. Hope this helps you. If not, I still enjoyed it.
best regards,
bboog

memories of one's childhood are intertwined with the memories of tree



[This message has been edited by bboog (edited 04-25-2000).]

Forrest Cain
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since 2000-04-21
Posts 306
Chas.,W.V. USA
5 posted 2000-04-25 09:24 PM


Bboog I truly appreciate the time and
thought put into this critque. My original
intent in using  iron memories was to evoke
the thought of axes, chainsaws etc. I had
used fire/lightening/ice and so forth but
couldn`t really find the words I wanted.
I will try shifting the emphasis in a different direction. Have also changed the
endings somewhat. I have numerus spare
parts from this poem. The input I recieve
is valuable as I tend to loose my objectivity
at some point.

Thanks forrest

Elyse
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since 2000-04-16
Posts 414
Apex (think raleigh) NC
6 posted 2000-04-26 12:08 PM


i must say i really enjoyed the word choice and rythm of this poem.  however am deeply distressed that the lines everyone refers to in their comments did not appear when i read the poem.  i was so confused when i read what people had written and i was like, he said that? is it my computer actin up, or did forrest pull a fast one on me as payback for making him overheat?    
Forrest Cain
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since 2000-04-21
Posts 306
Chas.,W.V. USA
7 posted 2000-04-26 08:07 AM


Elyse thanks for the reply .I took a cold
shower and can focus again.
The parts I took outside and shot
at the end of the third verse
...intrauteral the unborn wait
a pregnant girl screams just once
and dies
a bystander wipes the blood fromm
her breathe...
and near the end of the forth
I think to myself what a terrible thing
to take your life and die
what a terrible thing to do
to a tree.

Thanks forrest

jbouder
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since 1999-09-18
Posts 2534
Whole Sort Of Genl Mish Mash
8 posted 2000-04-29 10:14 PM


Forrest:

I told you I'd get to this and I apologize for taking so much time to get to it.  I printed this out the other night and took a closer look at it today.  First, I must say that I thought that this was an exceptional piece of poetry and that I was able to find very few weaknesses in my reading (and believe me, I looked for them).    

The only questions I was left with were relatively minor ones.  First, I noticed that you shifted from "memories" (plural) to "memory" (singular) without any discernible reason.  As long as this poem is already, I think you could expand a little bit on the theme in order to smooth out the transitions from the positive memories to the negative ones.  Brad may disagree with me here but I would suggest that you check out "The Bells" by Edgar Allan Poe to see how he shifts the meaning of the ringing of bells in each successive stanza. This may give you some ideas on how to make the transition from positive to negative subject matter.  Just a suggestion.

I liked your description of time passing as "fabric fold[ing] back on itself..." and your wording throughout the entire poem was exceptional.  This was a very welcome read, Forrest.  Nice work.  Thanks for sharing.

Jim

Forrest Cain
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since 2000-04-21
Posts 306
Chas.,W.V. USA
9 posted 2000-04-30 12:17 PM


Jim thanks for your critique. I can`t
overstate how much the objective comments
I`ve recieve from yourself and others have
opened my eyes. I envy this ability and
hope to contribute something more meaningful
than "I like this" at some point.
I will check out the bells because this
transition has posed problems for me here
as well as other poems.

thanks forrest


[This message has been edited by Forrest Cain (edited 04-30-2000).]

allan
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since 2000-04-09
Posts 620
On the road
10 posted 2000-04-30 03:34 PM


Hello Forrest,

I too would like to get beyond the "I like this" stage - but for the moment I'd just like to say that I found your poem to be wondrous good. I found myself instantly transported up among the fresh green leaves and the sunlight.

Thanks for bringing a breath of freshness into my tired spirit tonight.  

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