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Kevin Taylor
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since 1999-12-23
Posts 185
near Vancouver, BC, Canada

0 posted 2000-01-14 11:59 PM


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First you'll need advice.
Something nice. Like from the psychs -
about human nature.
Never mind the nomenclature. Subversion
is the key to stature. Stuff like that.

Next you'll want to dazzle everyone
with the mysteries of neuro-synaptic morality.
Only then can your insanity
achieve the strident vanity of oral self-loathing.
Life, predicated by death. Stuff like that.

A little reading won't hurt -
so long as it's not a dictionary,
which only serves to limit your potential.
Read the papers instead. They don't rhyme,
so why should you.

Make your poetry scream. Stun your
parents/lovers out of their ambivalence.
Poetry is the highest court. Punish everyone.
You can't change the past. So punish the reasons why.
Truth is futile is punishment is lies are
always relative is the reason why is blame.

Realize that your own miserable life is
someone else's fault.
Let it die. Loudly.
Point your pain at everyone who ever lived.
See your poetry as one last chance
- to be seen.
- to get even.
- to dance upon the lips of Death one
last time before you metastasize within the
curling smoke of someone else's dying soul.

You are so beautiful.
And I will be your guide.




 Kevin

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John Foulstone
Member
since 2000-01-01
Posts 100
Australia
1 posted 2000-01-15 07:41 AM


Kevin, your writing, as always, is brilliant. I've liked all your work. But I have to say I don't like what I see here, an implied glorificaton of suicide. Maybe I've misinterpreted; but if I have, so will someone else. The writing is still brilliant, but for me, the message sucks. The Ghost Of Pain a page or two back will tell you why.
And I still like your work.

 It's never too late to have a happy childhood ...

warmhrt
Senior Member
since 1999-12-18
Posts 1563

2 posted 2000-01-15 10:42 AM


Kevin,
Great writing, and a potentially exceptional piece, if you rid it of the insinuations of suicide. Gotta go with wise old John on this one.  I sincerely hope I don't sound like a preacher, but I do know what of I speak.  Suicide is the number one killer of young males in this country, and the rates for other groups is growing.  Did you know that back in the Viet Nam era, more people here died by their own hand than the number of soldiers who died in the war?  Interesting fact, huh?  Know the reason?  Our sorely lacking education of our citizens concerning mental illness, mainly depression.  Another factor is the stigma surrounding the illness.  People don't want to admit to having (oh, my God!) a mental illness.  
Suicide is caused by mainly one thing ... depression, an altered state of mind in which a preoccupation with death and dying can develop.  How do you think a 15 yr. old kid, who is preoccupied with ending his suffering due to depression, would percieve a piece of poetry that seemingly glorified suicide?  Could it push him over the edge?  I don't know the answer to that, but it's something to think about.
There is nothing glorious in suicide, absolutely nothing.  A life that could have been good is lost, the people around that person are sentenced life-long with guilt and what-ifs, although they should realize that an illness took the person. It was nothing they did or didn't do.
So we are poets, and feel we can say what we like ... but we must use discretion.  We must be responsible.
Kevin, you are a good poet.  Please use your talent to not only say what you feel, but to remember that others, some very young, impressionable minds, are taking in your words.

warmhrt

haze
Senior Member
since 1999-11-03
Posts 528
Bethlehem, PA USA
3 posted 2000-01-15 11:14 AM


POW POW POW

Fabulous writing! Brilliant satire!

EXTREME KUDOS!


~haze


Kevin Taylor
Member
since 1999-12-23
Posts 185
near Vancouver, BC, Canada
4 posted 2000-01-15 01:35 PM


Suicide? Boggles my mind. Never thought if suicide per se. This is, as it says in the title, a satire.

What I am taking the mickey out of is the psych influence in poetry... poetry as an ulterior motive than poetry is. And the final lines say / imply how evil it is.

Or didn't you ever have a teacher that wiped out every ounce of creativity in art or poetry by being like this just under the skin. I have.

But it is satire. And I would hardly think it glorifies anything... after I read it a few times straight I always feel like I should take a disinfectant shower.

Anyway... glad you (didn't) like(ed) it.

 Kevin

warmhrt
Senior Member
since 1999-12-18
Posts 1563

5 posted 2000-01-15 02:50 PM


Kevin,
I really did like it, and said seeming to, and insinuations to ... I know you made no direct reference. It could appear to many, though, that you do refer to it. It's all in perceptions, and we should all know by now that there can be many different perceptions to any one piece.  I was not critisizing you, only advising you ... okay?  I hope you took no offense.

warmhrt

patchoulipumpkin
Member
since 2000-01-01
Posts 196
Bermuda
6 posted 2000-01-15 03:56 PM


LOL, this is great Kevin.  I thought it was hilarious, tongue in cheek.  Yeh, i couldn't imagine to read this straight, kind of like falling down a sewer if you do.  Keep it going, i got the message...
jenni
Member
since 1999-09-11
Posts 478
Washington D.C.
7 posted 2000-01-15 07:21 PM


kevin--

wow!  fantastic piece!  loved this!

and i don't get the suicide stuff john and warmheart see, especially in a satire.  

excellent, provocative writing here, simply remarkable.  

jenni

Kirk T Walker
Member
since 2000-01-13
Posts 357
Liberty, MO
8 posted 2000-01-15 10:56 PM


Nice job.  Satire is very hard to right.  Partially because you run the risk of being taken seriously.  I love your reaction of "... glad you (didn't) like(ed) it."  Way to be prepared for the criticism that goes along with satire!  But my advice is, for your own pleasure, don't give it away in the title "(a satire in verse)"--make them work for it, sniff it out and tear it apart like an old blood hound before they realize all that they're knawing on is some old rags!  Well done.
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