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DaysofView
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Just A Slice Of The Pie

0 posted 2016-06-12 11:24 PM


it was terrible
a digit on a trigger
and what it can do

It wasn't really the trigger was it? Wasn't it the digit?

Billy and I feel so sad. Maybe mad, but mostly sad. We fear it will keep happening. Which can you get rid of permanently? The trigger or the digit?

Give a thought and a prayer if the Spirit moves you.



If I were more than I am, I'd see things differently instead of the same all the time.

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Cari
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Englnand
1 posted 2016-06-13 06:12 AM


Once you allow the general public to own one of the most sophisticated killing machines which are designed for one purpose only i.e. to kill on mass, then you have no option left to you but to accept the consequences.
When the government allows guns and unlimited ammunition into the hands of the public, they also hand over to them even the very basic safety control that comes with the weapon, because they have no way to enforce any semblance of control. How many American children under the age of fourteen are killed or injured accidently each year by firearms? The figure is staggering.

In answer to your question Quote: It wasn't really the trigger was it? Wasn't it the digit?
It’s broadly the same which the NRA trots out after all these tragic events. “Guns don’t kill people; people kill people.” Really? Well, how about if we remove the gun, that may do for starters.

Cari.

JerryPat2
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since 2011-02-06
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South Louisiana
2 posted 2016-06-13 09:30 AM


Look, even if we ban assault weapons, you can be doubly sure that the trashy killers will find ways to obtain the killing machine.

~ If they give you ruled paper, write sideways. ~

jwesley
Member Rara Avis
since 2000-04-30
Posts 7563
Spring, Texas
3 posted 2016-06-13 10:31 AM


Yada, yada, yada - let's ban, control automobiles too - after all it's the "machine" not the "digit" behind it.

I've lost far more acquaintances, friends and relatives to Automobiles than to firearms (actually except for Vietnam, never lost any to a firearm), yet no one is condemning automobiles.  And I have lost several at a time in "group" killings (several in a vehicle of some kind, whole families even). And, automobiles even eat pedestrians, bicycle riders, and attack you in living rooms, bedrooms, restaurants - I mean, where's the outrage! After all - it's the machine, not the idiot wielding the machine!!

I'm a gun owner. Haven't touched one in dozens of years (for various reasons having nothing to do with this piece)and will fight to give them up just like I would fight to give up my automobile and anything else I have that you want to take away from me - especially by saying "the machine, or whatever is in question (even legal "drugs")
is at fault - not the "digit!" using it.

And this doesn't apply to things that are absolutely defective by manufacture or chemical composition having no relation to the user or "digit" behind it.  I mean, you don't get rid of rat poison, or pain killers (Pain Killers which "many" are working hard at removing) because someone eats it, but you do get rid of chemicals, pills, that cause mutations in fetuses and the like.

Off my soap box now. And I'm hardheaded just like most everyone, so don't comment to this and expect a comment to your comment from me.

Oh, and by the way, I'll bet if we "take away" automobiles, there will never be another death by "automobile"!

And, DaysofView, I loved your opening three lines!

j.

Cari
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Englnand
4 posted 2016-06-13 01:37 PM


Your absolutely right friend, cars do crash so do trains and occasionally planes drop out of the sky, so why don’t we ban them?
Because they’re also an essential part of everyday living. Without the car, train and plane the fastest means of travel would be on horseback or a peddle bike, which also have a risk element attached to them. In short it would mean moving progress back to the 1800s.
So what kind of role does a firearm play in everyday life? Well, to be honest nothing as it was designed for one role only and you don’t shoot a baddie every week do you?

There are quite a few things we have to do that incurs a risk but we do take steps to protect ourselves i.e. seat belts, air bags, speed restrictions etc. what protection can you take against a firearm. Helmets and a flak jacket, not very convenient for a night out are they.  

If you accept that having Three-hundred-and-forty-seven million firearms, at a guess that are owned by the public without any constructive control pose no real threat to human life, then end of discussion.You have chosen to ignore the facts and to live with the consequences. Fine your choice.


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BluesSerenade
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since 2001-10-23
Posts 10549
By the Seaside
5 posted 2016-06-14 01:29 PM


It's all so tragic..and happens way too often.  To think this is the kind of future our children and their children will live in.  It breaks my heart.

Ummm yea, what Cari said.

JamesMichael
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since 1999-11-16
Posts 33336
Kapolei, Hawaii, USA
6 posted 2016-06-14 05:05 PM


fine writing...as always people react from their thoughts and beliefs...unfortunately some believe it is alright to kill others if they so choose and they will find the means to act on their beliefs...james
Ari Squire
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In The Phallus Lane
7 posted 2016-06-14 11:00 PM


When it comes to civilians owning guns, it seems historically that when they're taken away, the real oppression starts. I'm not a statistician and I don't make a practice of talking without back-up, but millions of civilians died without the ability to protect themselves and a hundred thousand maybe (correct me if you know the numbers)in the United States where gun ownership is deemed a right.

In the big picture, Man has proved over and over that he can not effectively govern himself or fix his problems, so we watch all of this go down hoping we're not next in line. I'm no seer, but I've learned to play the odds by remaining in the right place at the right time, knowing there is no such thing as 'the status quo.'

It's an opinionated reply to a gentle and caring post by DoV.

More feelings and fewer words please

Cari
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Englnand
8 posted 2016-06-15 01:45 PM


Let me be very clear, I’m not preaching from a high moral ground to anyone. There is a universal fascination with lethal weapons, especially amongst the young. If the same laws regarding firearms, or lack of them, applied in the UK or any other European nation there would be little or no difference between us.

The difference is when a government and its people react to a watershed of revulsion of public opinion on a mass killing of the innocent involving legal or illegal firearms.
That is the motivation that moves a government to come to the conclusion that firearms have no place in the hands of the general civilian population. In short, the way to avoid or reduce further mass killings is to remove and restrict severely the ownership of guns and types of firearms available to the public.

That watershed occurred in the UK twenty years ago in the massacre of 17 children and teachers and in Australia much later. Both resulted in imposing very strict control on guns and the sale of firearms. The question is by removing firearms from civilian hands does that reduce the threat of further massacre’s from recurring? The answer is a resounding yes, without question.

However the situation in the States is far different than other developed countries. The sheer amount of guns owned and available for each man, woman and child, presents a problem that other developed countries do not have. Also the culture of gun ownership that is so imbedded that any politician daring to voice even a modest law on gun control would be committing political suicide.

ARI.

Many successful revolutions in the modern era are the results of military coups, not an armed takeover by any civilian armed force. I’m afraid that what you suggest as a way of replacing a democratic government by an armed uprising is not an option available in the present day. The difficulties in convincing the masses of any such action is feasible are immense. Also if you can’t convince a sufficient number of the military to join the revolution then, sorry but it ends there. For any group of civilians to take on the might of America’s armed forces has only one outcome, complete annihilation.
No friend you change governments by the ballet box, not the gun.


Cari


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Ari Squire
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In The Phallus Lane
9 posted 2016-06-15 10:05 PM


quote:
"you change governments by the ballet box"
Change them to what? From bad to worse? Its a right enough theory, and it always was. But it's just another balloon being blown up until it bursts. The empires of the past have fallen and the capitalist one that I reside in will topple over as well. I may be around to see it or not. Like I said, I'm no seer, but isn't it clear yet that we as a people just can't seem to get along? There were many great statesmen of legendary discourse, but apart from their relative successes, the generations that followed them had/have their own wisdom to espouse.

For the record, I am only opposed to assault rifles. I don't own one, but I've used them in the military and am a combat veteran. If it weren't for money and arms development, the government wouldn't have needed me at all and I may have aspired to become a king or a president instead of some clown trying to sort out things that I know nothing about.    

More feelings and fewer words please

Cari
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Posts 411
Englnand
10 posted 2016-06-16 10:56 AM


‘From bad to worse’ well that’s who the electorate have chosen. One who is under investigation by the FBI and the other? Well I’m not going there. If it’s any consolation; I think you have thrown the only candidate who was making any sense under the bus. I’m reminded of an old Yorkshire saying ‘There’s nowt as queer as folk’

Cari.

Ari Squire
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Posts 488
In The Phallus Lane
11 posted 2016-06-16 01:08 PM


quote:
" I think you have thrown the only candidate who was making any sense under the bus"
As 'candidates' go, I am compelled to agree with you. Maybe King George and the boys should have been a bit more assertive.

And to think one of the largest of issues was taxes. God save us all.

More feelings and fewer words please

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