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2islander2
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0 posted 2009-04-08 10:48 AM



We rented a room in a stretched
hotel of Salt Lake City.
We settled down and we heard shouts
In the next room.
people were messing around and quarrelling.
what could we do?
To wait that they fall asleep
and do not disturb them.
We were worried. The night passed.
The next day we discovered the Temple,
State street, the statue of the angel Moroni.
Mormons spoke to us,
is it true that they possess several souls ?
We leave northward.
Salt Lake City did not convert us.

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Midnitesun
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1 posted 2009-04-08 11:06 AM


Hope you enjoyed the Great Salt Lake and all the beautiful natural rock formations.
I stayed a few months in Utah, it didn't convert me either even though I had a great uncle who was Mormon.

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2 posted 2009-04-08 11:19 AM


Yann,  sorry I missed you when you were here.
There is so much more here to see than just downtown Salt Lake City.  
Hope you get a chance to see southern Utah on your worldly travels,  Now that's Gods country. More National parks and monuments than any other state I can think of.
Fabulous mountains and scenery.
Hope you are going to Yellowstone if you are going north.  
Enjoy.  Travel safely. Tracey.

2islander2
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3 posted 2009-04-08 11:36 AM


Hello Midnitsun, yes Utah is great and the West is beautiful, the most geologic beauties in all the entire world, This is a region I would so much like to see again...Thanks for the kind comment.

yann

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4 posted 2009-04-08 11:43 AM


dear Tracey you are so kind, yes I travelles north and saw the magnificence of yellow stone, I saw the salt lake and will write a next poem about....It is so natural to call Utah a gods country considering the number of beauties (with Arizona  and all trhe magnificent West) -that stand there...I did this wonderful journey in 1995 and I have only one regret, not knowing the  people I could have met if I had written poetry at that time...
However I have a deep wish, to see one more time this wonderful region, may be in a few years, rent a RV and do the road...I like Utah and the beautiful region of SLC, I will surely recommend this trip.

regards

yann

KillerEagle2009
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5 posted 2009-04-08 03:05 PM


mormons.....lol, they are different, your peom was good, it reminds me of when you dont want to answer the door when those jahova witness come around your neighbor hood and you look out the window and hope they dont knock on your door....not trying to be mean, im catholic and im staying that way...
anyways i like your poem. ^_^

Robert E. Jordan
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6 posted 2009-04-08 04:20 PM


Yo Yann,

The Great Salt Lake is a great swim.  I hope you tried it.

Bobby

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7 posted 2009-04-08 07:05 PM


This was a nice slice of your travel adventure, dear Yann.
Several souls? That's interesting. Must ask my Mormon friend about it. She is a wonderful person and lives in a wonderful place in Utah, as I have seen on pictures. Exchange of knowledge is precious always, even when there is absolutely no intention of changing our beliefs.
Great job.
Love,
Margherita  

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8 posted 2009-04-09 01:47 AM


Helo Killereagle, In france too siometimes we are visited in our houses (once or twice a year), I am polite and don't close my door but sometimes it is boring, I believe in God but don't like somebody tells me how and when. thank you for your comment.

yann

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9 posted 2009-04-09 01:49 AM


Yo Bobby, I dropped in the lake but don't swim, the lake was so vast and low water near the lake beach.

have  a nice day

yann

2islander2
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10 posted 2009-04-09 01:53 AM


Hello Margherita, several souls was an attempt to tell that they can marry several wives so they can possess several  souls; may be it is a little exagerated. Thank for the delicious comment.

yann

Prasad Nataraj
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11 posted 2009-04-09 01:53 PM


Hi Yann, Very sweet way to write a travel log, good to know about many cultures around the world. Very thoughtful indeed.
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12 posted 2009-04-09 05:48 PM



Having been born into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormon) And reared in the Salt Lake Vally, I can assure you that there is more to Utah than what you may have observed. Thirteen (13) million (mormons) wish you the best. Come again.

Billie C.

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13 posted 2009-04-09 07:04 PM


This post duplicated itself when I tried to revise it.  See below.
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14 posted 2009-04-09 07:04 PM




Dear Yann,

          Enjoyed this.  If you pass through LA, give me a call.  They don't have to try to convert you, they have something called Baptism for the dead, so they can make the choice for you, later on.  Just thought you'd enjoy the poetry of that.  I will be out of town on and off, but should we overlap, I'll cook you a dinner or we'll have coffee or something.

All the best,

Bob Kaven

LindsayP
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15 posted 2009-04-09 10:17 PM



We rented a room in a stretched
hotel of Salt Lake City.
We settled down and we heard shouts
In the next room.
people were messing around and quarrelling.
what could we do?

Yann, my wife and I had a similar situation
when we stayed in Saltlake City. The management called the police twice in the one night. It added to the excitement but my wife was very happy when daylight came and we hadn't been attacked or interfeared with in any way. Otherwise we had a very enjoyable time there. Take care my friend.

Lindsay

Billie Cullimore
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16 posted 2009-04-10 12:11 PM


  Just to set the record strait,  Bobby, you can not swim in the Great Salt Lake.  It is 28% Salt, you can flout but, you can not swim.  Please don't try. You would strangle.

Billie C

ethome
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17 posted 2009-04-10 02:43 AM


Sounds like a bit of a disturbing visit.
However, I like how you've penned this.

If they have several souls some of the men will have to get bigger houses because they have several wives.
He he there's been some bad stuff come out about that lately, especially when it comes to the kids.

But historically

The Mountain Meadows massacre was a mass slaughter of the Fancher-Baker emigrant wagon train at Mountain Meadows, Utah Territory, by the local Mormon militia on 11 September 1857. It began as an attack, quickly turned into a siege, and eventually culminated in the execution of the unarmed emigrants after their surrender. All of the party except for seventeen children under eight years old—about 120 men, women, and children—were killed. After the massacre, the corpses of the victims were left decomposing for two years on the open plain, their children were distributed to local Mormon families, and many of their possessions auctioned off at the LDS Cedar City tithing office.

These people returned evil for evil and it was very wrong but then I always say that when it comes to the way the white man treated the North American Indian.


Great poem.

Eric

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18 posted 2009-04-10 03:06 AM


Thank you very much Prasad, I really did a wonderful journey and keep vivid memories of the US country and culture, the west is a must be seen place and offer varities of lanscape and people that is amazing...Thank you very much for you kind comment.

yann

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19 posted 2009-04-10 03:10 AM


Thank You Billie , I am respectful of people and religions. I appreciate tolerancy above all and wish we could all live together with our differences...I am as you say sure that is plenty of marvels in Utah, the only name makes me dream forever...Thank you for the kind comment.

yann

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20 posted 2009-04-10 03:15 AM


Hello Bob and  thank you Bob for the invitation, Actually I am in France and have not planned to visit USA, this year or the next, I am touched by your invitation and wouldn't miss the opportunity
best wishes

yann.

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21 posted 2009-04-10 03:18 AM


Thank You Lindsay, I am sad we shared that but I am gald we can shere poetry about it, it is something surprising...Thank you very much for the kind and accurate comment.

yann

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22 posted 2009-04-10 03:22 AM


Thank you Ethome for the very informative and historical comment, I appreciate very much this kind of stuff when it is in Live on a web site...I am rather sad things happened this way and feel sorry too, french did horrible things too during wars and sometimes people have to struggle for life...As you say, europeans did a lot of wrong to indians...Thanks for the helpful comment.

regards

yann

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23 posted 2009-04-10 12:06 PM


I enjoy reading your travelogs.

I got a chuckle out of your closing line ~

"Salt Lake City did not convert us."

~ My own grandmother couldn't convert me!

Happy trails!

Linda

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24 posted 2009-04-10 06:30 PM


Just for a little more clarification,
The LDS Church, (Mormon) Does not practice Poligamy.  The people that do, are not members of the Church.  They are members of their own religion that does not follow the laws of the land.
The LDS Church does believe in the law of the land, they did practice poligamy over 100 years ago, but when the Law changed, so did the church doctrine.
It is also interesting to remember, that in a country that was created on the beliefs of Fredom of religion,  The mormons were persicuted and driven out of their homes, and their leaders were murdered.

A lot has changed in 175 years.  However, isn't it interesting that people still think they are poligamists.  

It's also interesting that there are 10 times more Mormons outside Utah, than the whole population of Utah.

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25 posted 2009-04-10 07:46 PM


Tracey

Please realize that I was just trying to be funny not meaning any harm. I realize that the modern day Latter Day Saints don't practise polygamy.
The media is full of stories of the practises of the offshoots of the religion.
I realize that there was a certain amount persecution involved in the 1800's that's why I used the term evil for evil which I realize they also no longer practise today. You're right a lot has changed in 175 years.

My apologies.


Eric


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26 posted 2009-04-10 10:29 PM


It makes me wonder, if you stayed the night in a motal in Passaic, New Jersy or Madison, Wisconsin and your neighbors acted badly would you still write a poem about it, or was it just because it was in Salt Lake City?  Think about it.

And Please, Eric get your facts streaght before you spread gossip.

Billie C.

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27 posted 2009-04-10 10:41 PM


It makes me wonder, if you stayed in a motel in Passaic, New Jersy or Madison, Wisconsin and the neighbors next door acted bad would you write a poem about it or is it just because it was Salt Lake City, Utah?
   Think about it?

And please Eric get your facts streaght before you spread gossip.

Billie C.

ethome
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28 posted 2009-04-11 01:16 AM


Billie
You're not a moderator here and my post wasn't directed toward you.
I wasn't spreading any gossip nor did I have my facts misconstrued.
If you feel the need to be self serving and important then wait til I direct some comment toward something you've posted.
In the meantime take it up with Balladeer or one of the other moderators here if you have some personal gripe.
Yann was just telling the story as it came to him.
There's no need for derisively mocking him for his right to express himself in poetic fashion. Being caustic and sardonic with ill intentioned motives is hardly carte blanche for you to be recognized as the grand poopah of moderation around here.

This is what Bobby was refering to
"Swimming and sunbathing are popular on the clean, white sand beaches at Antelope Island State Park. The salinity of the water averages about 12%, making it much saltier than the ocean. The water is so buoyant that people can easily float. Freshwater showers are available to rinse off after swimming."
A state advertisement.

"straight" might help you get it that way. http://www2.canada.com/vancouversun/features/polygamy/index.html

Eric

[This message has been edited by ethome (04-11-2009 03:10 PM).]

2islander2
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29 posted 2009-04-11 04:10 AM


Hello Billie and Ethome, I just told a story without intentions of generalizing, same things happen too in other cities as NY and San Francisco, It was just a bad memory, a coincidence that it happened in SLC...I enjoyed the visit of SLC as I did from all other cities of USA. It was interesting and pretty nice...Take no charge of it.

have a great day.

yann

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30 posted 2009-04-11 04:13 AM


Thank you very much Linda for the chuckle, have a nice day

yann

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Hi WTBAKELAR, thanks a lot for the clarification, i feel it is a sensible subject but very interesting, I didn't intent to raise polemic here...Thanks a gain for the very participative and cultural comment.

have a nice day

yann

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32 posted 2009-04-11 04:17 AM


Thank you Linda for the chuckle and the kind comment.
have a nice day

yann

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33 posted 2009-04-11 10:53 AM


I remember hearing a man in an adjacent apartment to the one where my mother, brother, and I lived.  He was raging, breaking things, profane....my heart quailed within me.  I was 10, and I stayed as far away from him as I could.

My mother asked me one day what I thought of him.  I could only tell her, "Mama, he's not a nice man."  She married him.  

Some incidents leave vivid unspoken prayers, when the only creed that matters is soul sustaining you from within.....you really touched me with this poem.  

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34 posted 2009-04-12 09:32 AM


Thank you Lassy for the kind and interesting and surprising comment, appearances can be deceptive as goes your story...I am glad
you liked the poem and found it moving.
have  a very nice day

yann

Bill Charles
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35 posted 2009-04-12 01:14 PM


2islander2 - liked the write about Salt Lake City...

BC


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36 posted 2009-04-12 02:03 PM


Thanks Bill.

yann

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