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Robert E. Jordan
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0 posted 2009-02-24 09:01 AM


Bones doesn’t know
no birds,
and bears,
and stuff like that.

Down at the settlement house,
the sister told him
chickens laid eggs.  

“So where do chickens come from,
and where do they make watermelons?”

When he dies,
he’s sure to go to hell,
for being so dumb
and ignorant.

Bobby

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1 posted 2009-02-24 09:47 AM


no, he won't. He is already doing time in "hell" right where he is. I don't believe in hell, life is hard enough.
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2 posted 2009-02-24 09:58 AM


Thanks dear SEA,

Yes, a lot of people seem to hate the city, and city people.  I have yet to figure out why.

Love Bobby

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I am in a city now and hate it. If you weren't raised in this environment, it makes it hard to adapt to it. The people are completely different kinds of animals.
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4 posted 2009-02-24 10:27 AM


Thanks dear SEA,

Yes, indeed we are.

We're God's people, just like youse.

Love Bobby

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for sure dude
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6 posted 2009-02-24 09:00 PM


Thanks dear SEA,

Thanks for the reassurance.

You know I always want the last word.

Love Bobby

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7 posted 2009-02-25 04:20 AM


Naw he ain't goin to hell he lives in hell. Everywhere he goes after this is a step up and good ol Bones deserves the best.

To hell with the idea of hell! There ain't no such place just the good ol cold cold ground.

He'll get a chance to live again and conditions will be better and not some Greek Mythology trumped idea of hell where some ancient religionists used scare tactics to get money from their poor flocks.
They have a lot to answer for by twisting up the truth to suit their own needs.

Bones deserves the best!

Eric

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8 posted 2009-02-25 08:41 AM


Thanks Eric,

Of course there's a hell.  It's a real place.

Don't badmouth my beloved Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church.

Yes, Bones deserves the best.

Bobby

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9 posted 2009-02-25 02:12 PM


Not bad mouthing any religion specifically Bobby. Just telling the truth.
Even your New Catholic Encylopedia doesn't adhere to such teachings when all the evidence is in place.


Consider the following.
“The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.” (Psalm 9:17, King James Version) Here, instead of the word “hell,” more modern translations such as Lamsa and The Jerusalem Bible have preferred to retain the word that appears in the Hebrew text, “Sheol.” But to what exactly does “hell,” or “Sheol,” refer?

The Bible book of Ecclesiastes gives more information about Sheol. It says: “All that your hand finds to do, do it with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.” (Ecclesiastes 9:10) If those in hell, or Sheol, cannot think or know or act, surely they cannot be suffering.

It is not, then, surprising that even faithful servants of God went to Sheol. Jacob thought he would go there when he died, and Job hoped that God would hide him there and thus bring his sufferings to an end. (Genesis 42:38; Job 14:13) Would these two faithful servants have hoped—or even asked—to go to a burning, fiery hell along with the wicked? Certainly not!

What Is the “Fire”?

But how do we understand Jesus’ words when he said that those who do not do the will of God will go into “the fire that cannot be put out,” or into ‘a fiery furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth’?—Mark 9:43-48; Matthew 13:42.

In discussing this place, Jesus did not use the word “Hades,” the Greek equivalent of the Hebrew word “Sheol.” Rather, he used the word “Gehenna.” This word referred to a refuse dump close to Jerusalem, called the Valley of Hinnom, where a fire was kept burning to destroy the garbage. It was a fitting term to make Jesus’ listeners think, not of eternal suffering, but of complete destruction, annihilation by fire.

The Revelation given to the apostle John speaks of a “lake that burns with fire and sulphur” into which are thrown all those who practice bad things. (Revelation 21:8) If hell exists, this must be it, since the wicked go there. But this same Bible book tells us that death, inherited from Adam, and Hades will be thrown into this same lake of fire. Can these two abstract things suffer? No. But the fire here can and does represent their disappearance, which will take place once they have ‘given up those dead in them,’ that is, after the resurrection of the dead.—Revelation 20:13, 14.

These last examples show that fire is only a symbol for annihilation, or eternal destruction. So there is no suffering in the lake of fire, or Gehenna, any more than there is in Hades (or, Sheol), where faithful servants of God, as well as wicked people, go. But if we go a little deeper into the subject, we will better understand why we cannot believe both in the Bible and in the existence of a hellfire.

Incompatible With God’s Personality

What would you think of parents who kept their children imprisoned day after day, or even tortured them? If you would be disgusted by such acts, should you not also be disgusted by a god who would cause his children to be tormented forever in fire?

The fact that the true God is not like that is seen from the reproofs he addressed to the Israelites who had ‘burned their sons and their daughters in the fire.’ God insisted that this was ‘a thing that he had not commanded and that had not come up into his heart.’ (Jeremiah 7:31) Since God had never thought of such things, how could we imagine that he would create a hellfire for his creatures? Yes, if cruelty and torture disgust us, how much more must they disgust God, who is love?—1 John 4:8.

The doctrine of hellfire also goes against justice. In his letter to the Romans, the apostle Paul explains: “The wages sin pays is death.” (Romans 6:23) Moreover, he tells us: “He who has died has been acquitted from his sin.” If death completely removes a person’s indebtedness, why should he then suffer eternally for only a lifetime of sin?—Romans 6:7.

Thus, the Bible shows that hellfire, as it is generally understood, does not exist. And this knowledge allows us to form a relationship with God that is based on love and not on terror. I suggest that you keep on examining the Bible and learn how to please him properly in order to be among those who will see that wonderful day when Hades, or Sheol, the common grave of mankind, will disappear forever.—1 John 4:16-18.

Sorry Bobby I can't buy into anything as gross as hell and the modern scholars of your religion (New Catholic Encylopedia) also realize that this concept is actually incompatible with Bible content.

Take Care

Eric

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10 posted 2009-02-25 02:57 PM


Thanks Eric,

I adher to the teachings of The Church.

As far as hell goes, I never mentioned fire, and neither does my Church.

Here is The Churches take on the after life.

"There are three states of afterlife in Catholic belief. Heaven is a time of glorious union with God and a life of unspeakable joy that lasts forever. Purgatory is a temporary condition for the purification of souls who, although saved, are not free enough from sin to enter directly into heaven. It is a state requiring penance and purgation of sin through God's mercy aided by the prayers of others. Finally, those who chose to live a sinful and selfish life, did not repent, and fully intended to persist in their ways are sent to hell, an everlasting separation from God. The Church teaches that no one is condemned to hell without having freely decided to reject God and his love. He predestines no one to hell and no one can determine whether anyone else has been condemned. Catholicism teaches that through God's mercy a person can repent at any point before death and be saved "like the good thief who was crucified next to Jesus."

You can believe anything you like.  It doesn't bother me.

Like Bones, I'm just a simple Catholic boy/man.

Also like Bones, I've had fist fights over my beliefs when I was a child.  I no longer do that.

Bobby


ethome
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11 posted 2009-02-25 03:55 PM


I didn't know which of their changes you adhered to Bobby.
Some Catholic churches still preach hellfire. There's many different divisions of the catholic church in your own country and many others.
Many associate hell with fire but some of the recent changes are peculiar. Taking the fire out of it is about a half century old.

Apparently because of this reluctance on the part of the clergy to preach about hell as a place of eternal firey torment, Vatican Council II, in its third session, felt called upon to reaffirm the Roman Catholic belief in the reality of hell as a place of eternal torment. Thus a UPI dispatch reported: “The Ecumenical Council . . . voted in four nearly unanimous ballots to approve a text which calls for everyday awareness of the church’s future in heaven. The text, which will be Chapter 7 of a tract on the church, was amended to reaffirm the reality of hell as the place of eternal punishment of sins.”—Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, New York, October 20, 1964.

Just a week later the New York Times reported that a prelate at the Council had said further on this subject: “Many millions of people fail to understand how God the Father can be expected to damn an individual to hell for all eternity for sins. The mentality responsible for such legislation seems to be more legalistic than genuinely religious.   Note, however, that the prelate does not take exception to the teaching of eternal torment, only as to what would merit such punishment.

And just what is the “reality of hell”? While there is some disagreement among Roman Catholic theologians as to the nature of the suffering in hell, they are agreed that it is intense and that it is forever, for an eternity.

Fire, mental anguish torment, complete separation from God while still conscious, what's the difference?

I wouldn't do that to a dog.
Like I said before it's not Catholics I'm picking on it's mainstream religions as a whole. They all support this same doctrine in a similiar way.

It's nice to see someone like you that has some spiritual values. The world is devoid of a clear sense of morals these days.
People bloody well do what they want.

You are an individual that speaks what's on your mind Bobby and you shouldn't mind someone else that does the same.

Take care

Eric

Robert E. Jordan
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12 posted 2009-02-25 04:04 PM


Thanks Eric,

You're obviously more up on what the Vatican's thinking is than I am.

As I said, I'm rather simple.

Bobby

Robert E. Jordan
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13 posted 2009-02-25 04:25 PM


Yo Eric,

Did I say I minded?  Of course you should speak your mind.  

Of course I reserve the right to disagree with you.

Bobby

[This message has been edited by Robert E. Jordan (02-25-2009 04:59 PM).]

ethome
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14 posted 2009-02-25 06:11 PM


Hey Bobby

I like your no beat around the bush attitude.

Looking forward to the next in the 'Bones In The Hood' series...


Good stuff!

Eric

Robert E. Jordan
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15 posted 2009-02-25 10:38 PM


Thanks Eric,

If it wasn't for The Church, I'd be as dead as poor Bones.

Now give me the last word on my own poem.

Bobby


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