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serenity blaze
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75 posted 03-25-2011 01:26 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I need more than one source--because? It's nothing personal but I don't trust any ONE news source. I found this link in your link:
http://www.marines.mil/unit/22ndMEU/Pages/CE/CO_Update.aspx

The last paragraph of that notice from the 22d Marine Expedition states:

"Please remember, all official and factual information regarding the 22d MEU’s movements, activities, and operations will come directly from me via the Family Readiness Officer, the MEU website or the MEU hotline.  Remember, other sources of information may be misleading or incorrect."

It's dated March 7. That was some time ago for no other news agency to have missed that...not that I don't trust you.  

I just have trust issues.  

Since I'm begging for clarity, I should also point out the MEU also states that the location in question is the Mediterranean Sea.

OH. Here's something now--though. From Canada's embassy...

  
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76 posted 03-25-2011 01:41 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I couldn't find anything at the Fox News website and the link I provided earlier from a local TV Fox affilitate was the only thing I could find.

Someone reported earlier that they heard it on Fox News. Hopefully it isn't true.
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77 posted 03-25-2011 01:45 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I just check the map, Karen. Libya is on the Mediterranean Sea.
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78 posted 03-25-2011 01:55 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I know where Libya is. *chuckle*

And please don't take my questioning attitude as a poke atcha. Libya shares a coast bordering the Mediterranean along with a lot of other countries.

Like...Italy.

But technically, there were "boots on the ground" for sure when those two pilots were rescued.

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79 posted 03-25-2011 03:30 PM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

I don't take it as a poke, Karen. Not at all. It's always good to have verification.

My friend swears that he heard it at about
1 pm on the National Fox News Channel. Hopefully he misheard.
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80 posted 03-25-2011 03:51 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Ground troops wouldn't surprise me. I watched a news report in horror as a reporter was in the midst of a ...report, and one of the Libyan rebels pushed him to the ground as shots were fired at them. I was all the more horrified (along with the reporter) to learn that one of those young men was actually carrying a plastic toy gun!

Do I think they need assistance? Yes, I do.

Do I think it should be OUR assistance?

To an extent. I do understand that he is "the devil we know"--but I think that we'll be looking for a new ally anyhow, given the revolutionary climate. And he would have done as he vowed--gone from door to door.

So no ma'am, ground troops would not have surprised me at all--what would have surprised me would be that it was missed by so many news organizations.

There is so much going on at once--but I don't know what it is about Ghadafi.

I just don't like his face.   It would look good on a stick, though.

(quick edit before Moonbeam could tease me about my typo )

[This message has been edited by serenity blaze (03-25-2011 05:06 PM).]

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81 posted 03-25-2011 04:47 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Can I just interrupt the Karen and Denise show for a moment ...

(No marines btw)

Actually Mike I didn't say a congressional authority was immaterial - I said it was immaterial so far as the rest of the world was concerned.  And you didn't answer my question about whether Bush had an unopposed madate from the UN. Also having France Germany Russian and China all vociferously against you is somewhat more compelling than having 29 tin-pot states half heartedly with you - plus a deluded Blair.

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82 posted 03-25-2011 05:02 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

Did you mean "mandate"?



*laughing*
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83 posted 03-25-2011 06:32 PM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

Very funny Karen, lol.  I never make typos - it was kinda cool appropriate tho, no?

I blame it on Ron - it makes me nervous having him stalking me to see if I'm gonna offend those sensitive feelings of yours!! (Am I even allowed to write that?!)

Now tell me all about your typo please, heh.
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84 posted 03-25-2011 06:58 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

It wasn't an actual typo. My wires get crossed in my head. (surprise)

If I like the mistakes though, I leave them. Like...attidude. I considered that a happy accident. (Sometimes I type habby--stuff like that.)

And yeah, we're looking into that.

ouch.

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     The pie is falling!  The pie is falling!

     Insert your favorite flavor here.
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86 posted 03-25-2011 07:42 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

aphasia

or..abhasia?



Some days are petter than others.
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87 posted 03-25-2011 07:43 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

what would have surprised me would be that it was missed by so many news organizations.

That's the one thing that shouldn't surprise you, Karen. Don't be fooled into thinking it was missed. If there's a chance it puts Obama in an unfavorable light, it's not going to see the light of day.
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Oh I don't know, I think they are the actions of a leader confident in himself and in his ability to deliver what his people and the world want.

Those are your thoughts on Obama. They must be your thoughts on Bush, also, going into Iraq.

...but I doubt it.


Those 29 tin-pot states, like Canada, Austrailia and the like may not appreciate your description of them.
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89 posted 03-26-2011 06:21 AM       View Profile for moonbeam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for moonbeam

"Oh I don't know, I think they are the actions of a leader confident in himself and in his ability to deliver what his people and the world want.

Those are your thoughts on Obama. They must be your thoughts on Bush, also, going into Iraq.

...but I doubt it"


Mike, they were precisely my thoughts on Bush and Blair going into Iraq.  I thought they were heros standing up to the world.  Hindsight is a wonderful thing though.

Well zinc plated states then, lol. BUT you STILL didn't answer my question regarding the UN and Bush and Blair.  Can you be taken seriously when you discuss double standards, when you employ them yourself? (Am I allowed to write that?  Mike, I don't mean to offend by that last comment, I'm not sure how to express what I want to say in any other way - it's not meant as a personal attack on you, I'm just trying to point out the inconsistency of approach - if Ron deletes the comment I'm happy to continue in e-mail - peace     )
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90 posted 03-26-2011 09:46 AM       View Profile for Denise   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Denise

quote:

Second, even assuming that Libya is an important "adventure" and conceding that multilateral action may be preferable, multilateralism is not worthwhile when it delays action, which if taken quickly can change the balance of power, save lives and also be effective. President George W. Bush made this mistake with Iraq, when for at least nine months he waited to remove Saddam Hussein and asked for United Nation approval and support, but got none. In the end, his dithering and waiting likely gave Hussein time to hide or destroy his weapons of mass destruction and Bush – to save face when none were then found – sought to disingenuously justify the costly war as an effort to create democracy in this essentially autocratic and factionalized state, run in large part by Muslim terrorist militias in the wake of Saddam's removal. To date, nine years later, there is no real democracy in Iraq; only mostly radical Shiite factions loyal to the mullahs in Iran, not the United States. These factions themselves are on the verge of yet another civil war in the Middle East.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=279521

I don't think that most conservative Americans hold the U.N. in high esteem, and they most certainly consider Congressional authorization for military action of far greater importance for a President to seek.

Bush certainly didn't go off half-cocked into Iraq, as is the perception in the liberal psyche. He wasted nine months in attempting to seek U.N. approval. That may have been a huge mistake as the article referenced above indicates.  Bush did, however, gain a Congressional Resolution prior to deploying troops: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

And yet liberals perceive Bush as a rabid warmonger.

Obama, on the other hand, didn't even seek Congressional authorization at all, but did rush into military action in Libya at the behest of the U.N. only, in what, less than a matter of weeks? And yet liberals view him as the cool, deliberative, reluctant warrior.

Go figure.


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So it's true. We are now protecting, fighting with, and enabling our enemies in order to topple the government in Libya.

I can't even imagine the level of angst caused to our armed services personnel in being ordered to engage in this. Hopefully most are not aware of this. But even if they aren't, they will find out when all is said and done. I don't envy them when they do.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html
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http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=279125
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93 posted 03-26-2011 04:28 PM       View Profile for Balladeer   Email Balladeer   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Balladeer's Home Page   View IP for Balladeer

I'm assuming that the question you keep referring to is whether or not Bush had an unopposed UN resolution. My answer would  be no.....but so what? Is there some kind of rule that says unopposed resolutions are mandatory? As Denise pointed out, Bush spent almost a year trying to work with the UN to get them to enforce the resolutions they imposed on Iraq. He then went to congress. If you have issues with that, then I have no idea what your stance is, especially when you say "if Bush had bothered to "consult" anyone we'd never have got Saddam hanged."


You refer to Blair as being deluded. You refer to the countries joining the US and England as being "tin-pot" and then you follow that with "Mike, they were precisely my thoughts on Bush and Blair going into Iraq.  I thought they were heros standing up to the world."

You seem to applaud Obama going in for "humanitarian" reasons. Saddam Hussein was a dictator who killed hundreds of thousands of Iraquis. Iraq was littered with secret prisons, complete with torture devices, from which people interred were never seen again. He murdered thousands of Kurds by gassing entire villages. Thousands of children under the age of 5 died of starvations every year. That is why I made the statement that I cannot understand how someone could support Libya action and not support Iraq decisions.

As far as whether or not I can be taken seriously, that's a matter of choice. If you choose not to, I can live with that.

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94 posted 03-26-2011 04:48 PM       View Profile for serenity blaze   Email serenity blaze   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for serenity blaze

I thought Bush's reasoning for military action against Iraq was that they had weapons of mass destruction?
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Doesn't matter. There were huge atrocities being committed against Iraqis. That should satisfy anyone applauding actions in Libya.
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Karen said:

quote:
It occurs to lil ole me that if that War Powers Resolution thingie was/is a wide loophole for our current President and others before him, then congress should be working toward legislation to tighten that up a bit.


Yep.
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Yep.

Personally I'd like to see their time spent on the budget, unemployment and spending curbs first.
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     Actually, I believe it may matter.

     Bush justified the war before the congress as a war of self defense.  Later he ran through a series of other justifications, like the old SNL Landshark routine, trying to get folks behind him and later to keep folks behind him.  Candygram, Girl Scout cookies, Magazine Subscriptions and Plumber didn't work, so he just kept going down the list.  Saving Iraqis from Saddam was one that seemed popular for a while.

     Bush pretty much lied or mis-represented all of them.

     I am unhappy about President Obama taking us into Tripoli even in this limited fashion without prior authorization from from congress.  I think he's in the wrong.

     President Obama being in the wrong doesn't justify re-writing history or sanitizing the events of the Bush administration.  Pretending there's no difference is not the same thing as there being no difference in actuality, either.  I think Serenity is very much on target here, and it feels like a mistake to treat her dismissively.  Or what feels to me, at least, as dismissively.  I felt she was being thoughtful, whether you agree with her or not.
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I see no one who has dismissed Karen, Bob. If you are stating that to begin a personal rift, you are out of line.
 
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