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eor
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0 posted 08-02-2003 09:21 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

ok, this might sound selfish, but here goes...y'all know i love this site, and will forever...but my prolbem now is some new members that have been posting have like 34 total posts and 19 origaniting posts...and it drives me up the freaking wall...and i wont reply to their posts... i mean i hvae like 260 posts and only 21 origaniting...is it bad for me to be upset that people are not taking the time to go over other poets work at this site, or am i making a big deal over nothing...i know there is nothing that says you have to respond to other people and post as much as you want, but i guess it a principle and respect thing...but this drives me up the wall (as i said before, sorry)  am i being selfesh, or just expecting too much from people, and am i the only one who feels this way...or am i making a big deal over nothing and should just shut up about it?????

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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1 posted 08-03-2003 12:20 AM       View Profile for Greeneyes   Email Greeneyes   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Greeneyes

Personally, I cant understand why people get so up set...what exactly is bothering you? is it the fact that people do not respond to your poetry?  you have been a member since 2002 and I have never seen your name before, I am not here as often as id like to be...but why not read their post?  you have valid questions, but are you taking time to read others? MHO
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2 posted 08-03-2003 08:52 AM       View Profile for Bill Charles   Email Bill Charles   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Bill Charles

eor - I have to agree with Greeneyes. I also have not seen any of your posts here, or have I seen any that you have replied to. Try it, that is reply to a few, and you may be surprised at the response.

BC
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3 posted 08-03-2003 09:02 AM       View Profile for Marge Tindal   Email Marge Tindal   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Marge Tindal's Home Page   View IP for Marge Tindal

Eor~
Hi ... maybe this will help your understanding a little -

Sometimes new members are so anxious to showcase their poetry, because they feel that they've found a really neat place to do so, that they haven't yet realized that 'give' ... 'gets'~

After they've been here a while ... they learn to navigate the different buttons and figure out that in order to be read by others, they should show the courtesy of replying to others.

Reading, replying and posting habits are personally different for each person~
Time constraints often prevent some from replying as often as they'd like.

It doesn't bother me at all to see a multitude of originating posts by a poet, with not quite so many replies posted for others.  Eventually, as they meld into the circle, they get the idea ... and most of them begin to reply increasingly to the work of others.

Me ?  I read and reply because I want to ... for no other reason.
I read much more than those numbers you see would reflect ... and sometimes I think that new members just aren't sure of what to say.
Given time ... they come around.

Have a wonderful poetic day~
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eor
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4 posted 08-03-2003 03:35 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

i read everyones poetry, i usually only read in dark, bc thatm is the poety i prefer, and people do respond i usually get between 10 and 20 responses, that is not the prolbem...i mean when i joined the site i had 20 or 30 posts before i posted my first thread, and i do take the time to read everyone that posts in dark, but i got fed up wiht the people that were just posting and not responding, i mean for every poem they posted maybe two responses, and i dont care who they respond to, i am not saying i want them to respond to me, just respond, most of us take the time to read everyones, and respond good or bad, but always constructivly,(i know i cant spell) but it just erks me...and i dont mean to be mean but i didnt apprecaite greeneyes and bill saying they have never seen my name i have never seen your name, because we post and respond in differnt forums, i am not trying to be mean or spiteful just explaining why you have never seen my name, nor me yours...but that is not the point, you all know my point...

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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5 posted 08-03-2003 05:05 PM       View Profile for Ron   Email Ron   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ron's Home Page   View IP for Ron

heartache ( 'härt-"Ak ) noun: The inevitable result of wanting someone else to act or feel the way we wish they would.

Doesn't matter if it's our lover, our friend, our child, our parent -- or people in a forum -- others will never act or feel exactly the way we might wish, and 99.9 percent of all the heartache experienced in life is the result of trying to change that simple fact. We can control only the way WE act.

And that alone is often a full-time job.
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6 posted 08-03-2003 08:28 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

true, true, i guess i am just a purist at heart and hope that people act the same why i do, but it is an imperfect world we live in...*sigh*

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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7 posted 08-05-2003 10:30 PM       View Profile for Ratleader   Email Ratleader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ratleader's Home Page   View IP for Ratleader

I reply to good poetry. I don't reply to skank poetry. (I also fail to reply to a lot of good poetry because I don't have time....)

I reply much more when I'm not writing, for obvious reasons. For instance, I've posted fifteen poems since 7/26, I returned from my ten-day haitus, and written twice that number.... I'm replying to maybe three or four a day because that's all the time I have -- should I be ostracized for that? I think not. I didn't get any accolades when I was doing 15 replies a day and writing almost nothing!

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eor
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8 posted 08-06-2003 12:33 AM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

First of all, you should know i not trying to "ostracize" anyone, espically members of your stature  with as many post as you have.
my prolbem is


"my prolbem now is some new members that have been posting have like 34 total posts and 19 origaniting posts",


"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

[This message has been edited by eor (08-06-2003 12:36 AM).]

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9 posted 08-06-2003 01:30 AM       View Profile for Ratleader   Email Ratleader   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit Ratleader's Home Page   View IP for Ratleader

Yep, agree there's a problem at that level -- they need to wise up that it's give-and-take. I was lucky, a couple good people took me under their wing right away, or I'd have done the same thing! I was ready to pour poetry in, but they dropped hints that I shouldn't....

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eor
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10 posted 08-06-2003 02:09 AM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

yeah, i guess i don't know how to go about it without sounding condesending.

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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11 posted 08-06-2003 01:31 PM       View Profile for Legion   Email Legion   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Legion


Do I get to be ostracised? It sounds like fun.

quote:
i guess i am just a purist at heart and hope that people act the same why i do, but it is an imperfect world we live in


Is there any chance that your way might not seem that perfect to some people?

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12 posted 08-06-2003 01:40 PM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

you guys..I don't want to get in between, but he is just making a point. yes..some people overpost. I used to be one of them. Look at it from both sides. Then again, most people get over it. Or they leave. I think that you are only seeing it from one way. I said I think, you may be right, I'm just thinking that they are both good points

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13 posted 08-06-2003 02:07 PM       View Profile for Legion   Email Legion   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Legion


I thought I was looking at it from all sides.

He wants to do what he wants to, I want to do what I want to and everybody else has their own idea.

At the end of the day there’s only one person who can dictate and enforce a minimum quota of replies to posts and, up to now, he hasn’t chosen to do that. There are probably many reasons why Ron has let nature take it’s course as far as this matter is concerned. One of them may be that he realises that if he changes the software to only allow one originating post if and only if you’ve replied to three or four threads first there’s a high probability that the quality and sincerity of replies could take a serious nosedive.

I can cut and paste ‘awesome’ as many times as you like on as many random poems as is necessary just to get my reply figures up and fit the posting criteria, but would that be any better than the situation as it stands at the moment?

Live and let live I say
eor
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14 posted 08-14-2003 12:03 AM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

hey, sorry i was out of town for a week and a half...i see it from all sides, i was just voicing my dislike for the subject at hand, which is one of the reasons i love this site, because i can.  and also get responses from all sides.  but wind is right some people do overpost, it happens, i know.  but woht members and senior members it does not bother me...but you know how i feel so no need in reitterating(sp??)...but i just wanted to reply.

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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15 posted 08-22-2003 12:19 AM       View Profile for blackhalo   Email blackhalo   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit blackhalo's Home Page   View IP for blackhalo

eor,
I totally understand how you feel.  This is pretty well my point of view, however I also belong to another site, where it is "suggested" that each poet respond to 2 posts, be them poems, art, or anything else, before originating a post.  At first, it got the reply count way way up, but slowly, people started getting annoyed with the restriction, even though it wasn't enforced.  As a result, we have lost about 40 originating posts per day, which is, needless to say, a lot.  
So, I see both sides.  Personally, the same poetry that I post here receives, on average, about 3-6 replies, whereas at the other site I receive 8-15 replies.  
All in all, it's not going to matter what we say or do.  :p  People will do as people will do, but I do agree with you for the most part.  It is aggrivating to see someone with 17 originating posts and 24 total posts.  
Ok, there's my rant for the evening.  
~Alicia
eor
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16 posted 08-22-2003 01:42 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

thanks, i see both sides too, but like you said, it is not the prolbem of posting, cause bring it on i love to read everyones work, but the poeple wiht 24 posts and 17 originating tht bothers me.  thanks again for you thoughts

"in a past life i was a woodcarver's knife: the sharpend blade of a wood cutter, the eldest son of the chief's brother: a maker of drums"

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17 posted 08-28-2003 12:35 AM       View Profile for BlackRose   Email BlackRose   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for BlackRose

Personally I would have to say that you're overreacting jus a little.
eor
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18 posted 08-28-2003 08:19 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

ok

"There never was a genius without a tincture of madness."

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19 posted 08-29-2003 09:30 AM       View Profile for littlewing   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for littlewing

I know exactly what Matt was saying here:
he speaks of the people who post and run, I agree with him.   And yes he does respond elsewhere and he is in the Dark forum which may be why nobody recognizes his name.  It is a nice group in there - and nobody from the outside comes in there. Hardly.
I think he just meant that it is discouraging to pour your heart out, respond and not get that back.  I think we all have felt like this at one time or another.  
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20 posted 08-29-2003 11:18 AM       View Profile for Wind   Email Wind   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Wind

and I agree too. there are some members here who have posted over 200 posts and have only responded to two people. no kidding. but as Raphael says, pip isn't perfect. I just ignore them.

insanity is not a crime

eor
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21 posted 08-29-2003 03:33 PM       View Profile for eor   Email eor   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for eor

thank you littlewing and wind, true pip is not perfect but thank you to all who make is so!

"There never was a genius without a tincture of madness."

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22 posted 09-07-2003 01:15 AM       View Profile for Maddy vanD   Email Maddy vanD   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Maddy vanD

myself I don't really see the problem. I recently got a load of criticism on another board for posting more than i replied, but the reason was simple...with school starting up again I didn't have the time to really give other people's poems the careful reading they deserved. I write while walking to and from school, while in the tub, basically anytime I have a spare moment (yea our house is littered with scraps of paper with lines scribbled all over them...even the cereal boxes aren't safe ). Posting a poem and replying to replies takes very little time, but i feel that to reply to a poem after one quick read often does the poem an injustice.
Things have settled down some, and now I have more time, so i reply to those poems that inspire me to reply, and not to those that don't, some I copy and keep on my desktop to read and reread before I post a reply. It is all a matter of time and methodology.

Maddy
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23 posted 09-08-2003 01:31 AM       View Profile for gringakiwi   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for gringakiwi

Hey Eor
I am relatively new, and like Marge says, sometimes I just dont know what to say to some poems- and so I dont reply! I reply to the poems that move me the most. If I dont like a poem, I will just leave it, and if a poem just makes me go "Hmmm" and think about stuff I would rather not say so. At the end of the day I think that even though I am not responding as much as I would like to, at least my replies are genuine- quality, not quantity if you get what I mean. Yeah, so thats my side of things, and I do see what you're getting at though, that people should learn about the "give and Take" thing! anyway, bye.... oh, and you're welcome to repond to my poems if you have time- I am off to have a look at some of yours!
Connie.
 
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