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The Teen Forum...poetry? Or a Cry for Help?

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Rise of Truth
since 07-12-2003
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Beneath the Fury Sun

0 posted 07-16-2003 03:12 PM       View Profile for Rise of Truth   Email Rise of Truth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Rise of Truth

Are we critics or consolers?  Are not we obligated by common decency and our sense of humanity to at least try to help? I don't mean offense, but let's face it some teen poets produce poetry closer to emotional floodgate expusion than anything else. Which is good, if it releases tension. (Not that i mean to judge what is poetry or what isn't) But honestly, mentions of suicide or suicidal tendencies leads me to two conclusions; either A, the person is in immient danger and should be seeking profession aid, instead of posting...or, B the person is fabricating said tendencies or attempts in order to attract attention.  Actually, clinical help should be sought in either instance.
I'm not saying all talk of suicide should be nixed, because it weighs immensely on the teen mind...I feel like i'm being a jerk about this, and that very well may be the truth, but from what i understand this is a poetry forum...made with the intention of poetry being posted...not rhymed outcries.
I am first a peer, and i find myself more concerned with the welfare of the author RATHER than the merit of his or hers poetic creature.  I'm eye-to-eye with the gorgen on this one, but does anyone care to share their thoughts?  

I am the prophet
Harbinger of what you fear the most
Your enemy of belligerent honesty
Destroyer of your livelihood, built on falsehood

since 02-14-2003
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Jersey City NJ

1 posted 07-16-2003 07:05 PM       View Profile for IcyFlamez89   Email IcyFlamez89   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit IcyFlamez89's Home Page   View IP for IcyFlamez89

=) So this is what's 'in' the Teen forum. I only went there once and found it didn't suit me. I have too many issues of my own and I can't deal with someone else's. Putting emotion in your poem is good, but after so many waves, I just can't take it. I wish to those who have written about suicide to find the joy in life again. And to those who write about it because it attracts readers, i don't think it's nice to play on people's emotions.
chasing rain
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since 05-15-2001
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2 posted 07-16-2003 07:28 PM       View Profile for chasing rain   Email chasing rain   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for chasing rain

I see what you mean...

Rants are common in teen poetry, which I'm very sorry to say. These rants often discuss issues of broken hearts and lost loves, suicide and unhappiness...the usual stereotypical teen angst. I see why you would worry about the writer more than the poem. I try to avoid all rants in the poetry forum when possible. Poetry should have emotion within the words, however the words should not be the emotion. For example, one stroke on a canvas cannot say "I'm happy because my boyfriend loves me." You cannot expect someone to go beyond in understanding a painting when there is only one stroke on the canvas. Sooner or later, the reader loses interest, for what is the artist trying to share? Nothing. However, many strokes eventually form an entire picture that we can enjoy, feel, and understand. The artist is sharing something much more than strokes. okay, that was a not-so-great example, but I tried.

Hey, look! I'm ranting about rants!

People might not realize it, but rants are quite self-centered, and often shows that the poster is relatively lazy. Example: Today, my boyfriend broke my heart because he cheated on me.

Very straight forward, but is it poetry? No. Where's the painted picture here?

In any case, rants are not for the poetry forums. I guess that's why Ron put up discussion forums too.

Apologies for the terribly explained opinion of mine.
since 07-04-2003
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3 posted 07-16-2003 08:00 PM       View Profile for Alnilam   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Alnilam

I find myself being the one you are talking about here. I understand your posistion completely, and I am not saying that you are completely outside the lines, on the contrary, you are correct in all you are saying, people in that forum tend to rant, and speak of materials which can often lead one to question their safety or well being, but is that not why it is a teen forum, because teenagers have those tendancies? Not all the poetry there is like this, but a great deal is, my own might fall under these categories more often than not. But maybe consider this: I myself have been in those shoes where my poetry relfects the iminent danger upon my life, and I did seek counseling and proffesional help but they themselves suggested writting as a method of at least understanding what I am feeling rather than not knowing or not letting it out. I would not know what to suggest to you anything other than to avoid that forum if the contents worry or bother you, you cannot allow something you read to injure your mental health simply because you might wonder if the mental health of anotehr is sound. I dont know, maybe this is what you were talking about with rants and such, but I felt I needed to voice my opinion if I was being spoken about to some degree.

"The worst tragedy for a poet is to be admired through being misunderstood."

Rise of Truth
since 07-12-2003
Posts 61
Beneath the Fury Sun

4 posted 07-16-2003 09:56 PM       View Profile for Rise of Truth   Email Rise of Truth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Rise of Truth

My intent was not the verbal crucifixion of anyone in particular. I've lived 6 years in this teenhood and i understand it well.  But as i mentioned to a teen auther...well, i'm just gonna cut and paste (i am lazy, so) "My advice is such; your grief is unique, wield it with flair and emotion. Poetry conveys anger with equal grace. If your pain haunts you, then ensure it haunts the reader. Don't think of writting as a release of pain, but a prison...chain it and distribute it to all who would view it. In the light it will be diminished, and you will have conquered it."
I'm not pretending to be any kinda poetry guru, but these things i know. But i honestly can't stand reading about suicidal (self-mutuation) mentioned as plain as day in poetry.  If you must mention it, do it with some style.  Horror is can be sheik, it's all about style... I apologize if i have offended.
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since 05-27-2001
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Ohio, USA

5 posted 07-16-2003 11:36 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Rise of Truth-

If you're interested in the more technical aspects of poetry, check out the Critical Analysis forum, or the poetry workshops.

I've found that most people who post poetry here do it as a way to share emotions, to meet people and make friends and maybe even find a little help in the form of others who deal with the same types of issues, and there's nothing wrong with that. If it's not your cup of tea (it's not mine) the more technical forums offer a great atmosphere for critique and growth.
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