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Crazy Eddie
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25 posted 03-09-2003 04:08 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


LR

Your quote reminded me of my Dad who always seemed to have an appropriate response up his sleeve, one I remember and often use myself is:

When you find yourself in a hole stop digging.

When faced with an extraordinarily large bill he couldnít pay I asked him if he was worried to which he replied:

Why should I worry they donít owe me anything.

My favourite though was wielded on the occasion of my discovering that he had been presented with the regimental colours for outstanding bravery after one of the many actions he was involved in, he said:

I remember that war well, I fought like a lion - but I still had to go.

Iím more than a little concerned that in contrast when it comes to Iraq a lot of people seem to be fighting like lions - to go.
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26 posted 03-09-2003 04:28 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Your father raised a good son.

Ever notice how it's the people who try to do good who always get into trouble?
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27 posted 03-09-2003 05:39 PM       View Profile for Crazy Eddie   Email Crazy Eddie   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Crazy Eddie


That certainly can be the case LR, where Iraq is concerned the perception of America, at least on this side of the pond, is regrettably about to fall into that category.

Yes Saddam and the regime in Iraq should disarm and yes we should use force to compel them if they donít comply but why not give diplomacy one last chance? If America tabled a resolution at the UN tomorrow that contained a reasonable timetable for disarmament overseen by the weapon inspectors and backed by a clear statement that military action would be used if Iraq did not actively attempt to meet those deadlines my guess is that it would be passed unanimously.

But isnít that what the last resolution said? (Iím arguing with myself again )

It depends on who you ask, some say it is and some say it isnít and some donít know or care. The difference this time round would be that no one would be in any doubt Ė disarm or weíll disarm you by force. Like I said earlier everyone believes that Saddam should be disarmed and everyone understands that it might take a war to do it, it's just that some people, Saddam included, need to understand and agree to the when and the why.

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28 posted 03-09-2003 11:46 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

That's terrible -- even if it isn't true.

But perhaps you're overlooking something.

Tony isn't a conservative.  Wonder what he knows.
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As a soldier in the navy, you can not place blame on the U.S., and I hate people opposed to war.  I fight so that you can be safe and I would give my life happily knowing that my country, friends, relatives and loved ones are safe.  If you want to place blame, it's entirely on Sadam.  He might (If you actually believe what he says) be trying to disarm himself, but you have to realize that he was supposed to be done with this process over 10 years ago.  There is no time for peace, we either go in now, or we go in when it is way too late.  It's just like September 11 th.  It took us a tragedy to act, are you willing to wait for another?  I'm not!
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30 posted 03-10-2003 12:50 PM       View Profile for Local Rebel   Email Local Rebel   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Local Rebel

Mr. Craig -- for your willingness to serve I offer my gratitude.  

I think though, you'll find that even your commander-in-chief is opposed to war.  Your choice of words may not be the best if you have any intentions of trying to influence people.
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Frankly, I can't believe this whole idea of war ever came up in the first place. Some of you are right; Bush does have a lot of secret information and power, and a leader must be sincere and loyal to his people and motivate with love! Every single time I see him speak on the news, it's the EXACT SAME THING practically, and who the heck is he calling "thugs"? Sorry, I just think Bush is insane and war will only create more schisms, more boundaries, and break the whole syzygy we thought we are beginning to establish further and further apart!

I have half a mind Chris Martin of Coldplay is right when he accepted his Brit Award and said "Everybody is going to die if George W. Bush has his way!". Many of you agreed yourselves every sane person doesn't want war, so why are we having this conversation? The fact is, if you do nothing about not wanting war, it's basically suicide, and that deeply upsets me! And it's no excuse that this maybe the most intense situation for our nation since Pearl Harbor for a president to be in, if he wants this war so bad, why don't he suit up?

I think Bush is a big root to this problem. Only a peaceful stepping down from power can ease things up for us all. In fact, I believe going to war will only STRENGTHEN Al-Qaeda and Iraq; they'll see how many of us they can possibly kill and somewhere else within another decade it is going to repeat itself, over and over again. The worst-case scenario is the terrorists attack our shores again, but there's nothing you can do about it. Terrorism is something that can't just be defeated, only unconditional love in every persons heart can eliminate terrorism and Bush will only set off the trigger if he makes another step forward.

By George, do a favor in fall 2004 and don't elect him again! J'adoube!



Sincerely,
Noah Eaton


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Shakira

[This message has been edited by Mistletoe Angel (03-11-2003 12:16 AM).]

JP
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32 posted 03-11-2003 08:50 PM       View Profile for JP   Email JP   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems   Click to visit JP's Home Page   View IP for JP

Sadly, I must disagree Noah.

Yesterday is ash, tomorrow is smoke; only today does the fire burn.
Nil Desperandum, Fata viem invenient

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33 posted 03-12-2003 08:35 AM       View Profile for Opeth   Email Opeth   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for Opeth

For world peace to work, every single government of every single nation must be trustworthy.

Never, will that ever happen.

Therefore, there will always be war.
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34 posted 03-12-2003 09:10 PM       View Profile for hush   Email hush   Edit/Delete Message      Find Poems  View IP for hush

Opeth, that's the first thing I've heard you say on this subject that I completely agree with.
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If Bush is so set on peace, why does he continue to speak of war?

Must we have war and killing in the name of peace?

Is he on an ego trip too finish what his father started or is he insane?

Too picture the United States as the aggressor in a war when we preach peace too the world is crazy.

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Loren Lynn
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From the beginning of time, we have been at war. So few know really the truth about what is going on. It started when Eve ate the apple.War began! We have battled on many fields ,killed millions For God? Such deceit, such lies. The true God made us to live happily and peaceful, it is mankind that decides our fate. It began when Eve deceived God.I believe in one goverment that is Gods. No other has the power to end this misery to the mess mankind has done.
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I don't really blame any one person for war. Bush has been hell bent on going to war with Iraq since the beginning. And while I hate what Suddam Hussein does to people, I do have to admire his determination. Not many people would stick to their beliefs under that much pressure. But I also think that Bush, the United States and their allies are stronger and they will do what has to be done. Saddam has to be taken out of power. I wish there was a different way to do it but in this day in age, there doesn't seem to be. The consequences of war are great, but the consequences of not are even greater. And, I hate to say it but oil does playa role in the whole thing. But thats not all Bush's fault. He isn't the one using so much oil. Its the whole country so we are all partly to blame.
Jenn

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